Terrorist Attack at U.S. university:

[easyt65]

Taliban allowed at Yale, and this guy in N.C. sorry, but I find it a little ironic that Military Recruiters have not been allowed on campuses, but THESE guys are! :shock: :doh

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

If that is the case, then we have to redefine our legal system for terrorists to include:

1) Disgruntled postal workers.

2) Gay bashers.

3) Homeless people who commit crimes because they believe they have a beef with the system.

4) Vigilantes.

I can think of a dozen more examples, but you get my drift. All these examples have, for the most part, a political motivation too.

None of those examples are part of a broader organized attempt to coerce our society to bend to their will through the use of fear. Last time I checked there is no organized attempt to kill Americans and change our way of life by disgruntled postal workers, gay bashers, homeless people who commit crimes because they believe they have a beef with the system, or vigilantes. This guy was an Islamic extremist who committed an act of terrorism, I don't see how there is any arguing of that point.

 

[easyt65]

None of those examples are part of a broader organized attempt to coerce our society to bend to their will through the use of fear.

All those examples are home-grown acts of violence.

Saying you intend/intended to kill Americans out of some vengance for/sympathy with a foreign goverment, especially an 'enemy' nation should immediately get you put on the 'terrorist' list! If the kid would have had a bomb strapped to his waste, made that same 911 call declaring his intentions, then walked into a crowd of students and set the bomb off, you better believe it would have been considered a terrorist attack. How is using a car instead of a suicide belt any different (other than the chickensh!t didn't kill himself)?!

 

[talloulou]

If that is the case, then we have to redefine our legal system for terrorists to include:

1) Disgruntled postal workers.

2) Gay bashers.

3) Homeless people who commit crimes because they believe they have a beef with the system.

4) Vigilantes.

I can think of a dozen more examples, but you get my drift. All these examples have, for the most part, a political motivation too.

Except none of your examples are specific to political or religious ideology which is included in most terrorist defintions. The attack at the university was.

 

[The Real McCoy]

You are somewhat overstating what happened.

No, he's stating exactly what happened.

The man probably was very angry, because of the way his race is being treated in this country.

And mowing down a group of people and taking pride in it will ease tensions?

This was not a group of people who planned a mass murder.

Right, it was planned by one person. Since when does terrorism have to be a group effort? I must have missed that in every deffinition I've seen of the word.

Just one guy who went off the deep end.

Every terrorist I've ever heard of is one guy going off the deep end.

You see these kinds of attacks all the time. If you want to talk about real terrorist activity, then consider the Camila Knights of the Ku Klux Klan right here in Texas. They got caught with a homemade chemical weapon (a sodium cyanide bomb) capable of killing thousands of people. Now THAT is terrorist activity.

Agreed.

Are you insinuating an attack (either planned or carried out) requires a minimum amount of casualties (or potential casualties) to constitute terrorist activity or do you just enjoy playing devil's advocate?

 

[Willoughby]

gay bashers

well if they want to get rid of homosexuals in american society then they are trying to change it..are they terrorists

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

well if they want to get rid of homosexuals in american society then they are trying to change it..are they terrorists

Those are hate crimes and are not politically motivated. It's a false analogy.

 

[beyondtherim55008@yahoo.c]

The guy was a nut job; he would've done something else at sometime or another in the name of Islam or whatever he wanted to excuse it on; he wants the attention of being a terrorist, don't play into his nut job thoughts; plenty of wacked out people have driven vehicles into crowds, what about that white lady a decade ago or some into some NY sidewalk crowd? Was she a terrorist of Christianity?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The guy was a nut job; he would've done something else at sometime or another in the name of Islam or whatever he wanted to excuse it on; he wants the attention of being a terrorist, don't play into his nut job thoughts; plenty of wacked out people have driven vehicles into crowds, what about that white lady a decade ago or some into some NY sidewalk crowd? Was she a terrorist of Christianity?

Did she say that she was doing it in the name of Islam and because she was angry with the U.S. government for the treatment of Arabs? I didn't think so. Terrorism is terrorism, it doesn't matter if they use a car or a suicide belt, it's the same damn thing.

 

[beyondtherim55008@yahoo.c]

You really do want to get this guy as a Islam terrorist and therefore we should all what when we see Muslims? Shudder with fear and think of them as terrorists? It doesn't matter if the woman who drove into the crowd said nothing or blamed it on her atheist religion, meds or whatever--she's crazy and if you want to categorize crazy in a neat pigeonhole to fit your agenda of muslims = terrorists, well your trying it and your not convincing me. Terrorism isn't just a monopoly held by Islam, you have the good ole USA guilty of killing millions of kids in the name of collateral damadge. Of course you don't call that terrorism, you cannot to justify your illogical agenda.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

You really do want to get this guy as a Islam terrorist and therefore we should all what when we see Muslims? Shudder with fear and think of them as terrorists? It doesn't matter if the woman who drove into the crowd said nothing or blamed it on her atheist religion, meds or whatever--she's crazy and if you want to categorize crazy in a neat pigeonhole to fit your agenda of muslims = terrorists, well your trying it and your not convincing me. Terrorism isn't just a monopoly held by Islam, you have the good ole USA guilty of killing millions of kids in the name of collateral damadge. Of course you don't call that terrorism, you cannot to justify your illogical agenda.

What are you babbling about? My agenda is calling things what they are when someone kills or attempts to kill in the name of Allah and says they did it because they are angry with the U.S. government then they are a terrorist, this mans agenda was politically motivated, as per the very definition of terrorism what this man did was a terrorist act. Say hello to the straw man for me.

 

[Willoughby]

so when my friend got attacked by a christian who was ranting things about gays being evil and that they should all be killed was he a terrorist?

 

[GarzaUK]

I do thank you TOT, this thread always makes me laugh when I read it. Thanks. :2wave:

 

[akyron]

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar is charged with driving a rented Jeep Cherokee on Friday through The Pit, the popular outdoor gathering spot on the campus in Chapel Hill. He says he did it to avenge the treatment of Muslims, and he didn't deny driving through the campus.

Asked by reporters if he was trying to kill people, Taheri-azar replied, "Yes."
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=3965337

New Details in UNC Attack
"he was happy for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah."


Well if no one was injured and another dumbass is off the street then praise allah I guess.

 

[Stu Ghatze]

Notice the lack of outrage? of coverage?

Notice that the university is treating this matter as a hit and run as opposed to an ideologically based attempt to kill people at random, hence, a terrorist attack?

If this would not have been someone from the left's beloved "religion of peace" attacking a bunch of white school kids, the coverage and the outrage would be very different.

Dear aquapub, ..you are ABSOLUTELY correct! If you suspect that the reason the old media has not declared it a "terrorist attack" because they are trying to be politically correct because the media is disgustingly much too liberal, ..you would be quite correct.

Imagine a white person deliberatley driving his car into a large group of young black college students at a predominatley black university, ...& admitting he was trying to kill them??

There would be NO SHORTAGE of news outrage on that story, & you can BET the news analysts would be editorializing on that racist white person, & probably even be blamed on Bush, & conservative talk radio!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

so when my friend got attacked by a christian who was ranting things about gays being evil and that they should all be killed was he a terrorist?

Was the Christian ranting about her attempts to change the policy of the American government or instill fear in all of the populace, was it only gays she was attacking or was it anyone who supported gay rights? If so then yes, Tim McVeigh was a terrorist, the people who blow up abortion clinics are terrorists, I don't care if they are working alone or not if what they are doing is attempting to change U.S. policy or instill fear in the entire populace then they are terrorists. Your false analogies and apologies for this guy are not going to change the simple fact that he's a terrorist.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I do thank you TOT, this thread always makes me laugh when I read it. Thanks. :2wave:

So do you. How bout I say that those bus bombers weren't real terrorists because they didn't kill that many people? That's pretty much these peoples assertion here that somehow terrorism being terrorism is incumbant on body counts.

 

[RightinNYC]

It's absurd to claim this wasn't terrorism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/08/national/08carolina.html

The man charged with nine counts of attempted murder for driving a Jeep through a crowd at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill last Friday told the police that he deliberately rented a four-wheel-drive vehicle so he could "run over things and keep going," according to court papers released yesterday by investigators.

Details in the search warrant for the Carrboro, N.C., apartment of the defendant, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, suggest that he had planned his actions for months and was disappointed the attack had not done more damage. None of the nine people who were struck by the Jeep Grand Cherokee as they were standing in a campus commons area known as the Pit were seriously injured.

According to statements taken by the police, Mr. Taheri-azar, 22, an Iranian-born graduate of the university, felt that the United States government had been "killing his people across the sea" and that his actions reflected "an eye for an eye."

He also told investigators he had been thinking about taking some kind of retaliatory action for two years and had been planning last Friday's attack for two months, the warrant said. He said he was disappointed that more people were not in the commons around noon, when the area is typically crowded, and he told a detective, Matthew Dodson, that he rented the four-wheel-drive vehicle so he could inflict as much damage as possible.

Items confiscated in the search of Mr. Taheri-azar's apartment included computer equipment, an application for a gun permit and two Navy Seals training videotapes. Officers also found two cans of pepper spray and a five-inch folding knife that Mr. Taheri-azar said he had planned to use if he was cornered or threatened in the attack.

This is finally getting some mass media coverage, about 5 days after the blogs (which is sadly, an improvement).

 

[easyt65]

So we have an Iranian kid raised in America who runs over Americans, says he did it to avenge Muslims deaths around the world.

(By muslim deaths, he does no tmean the hundreds of thousands Hussein tortured and killed, does not mean the thousands of muslims iran has killed and continues to kill in Iraq, nor does he mean the Muslims Zarqawi has targeted to prevent them from becoming a free/democratic nation. I assume he means the taliban and al Qaeda we have killed in this war....)

He says he wishes he could have killed more. If he had walked into the that crowd of student wearing a suicide belt, we wouldn't have been having this discussion, but we are because he just used a car?!

Is THAT what we are arguing about here?

 

[Binary_Digit]

Were Charles Whitman and Ted Kazinski terrorists?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Were Charles Whitman and Ted Kazinski terrorists?

I'd say Charles Whitman was more like a loan nut he wasn't politically motivated he was just insane, however, Ted Kazinski most certainly was a terrorist.

 

[Kelzie]

Dear aquapub, ..you are ABSOLUTELY correct! If you suspect that the reason the old media has not declared it a "terrorist attack" because they are trying to be politically correct because the media is disgustingly much too liberal, ..you would be quite correct.

Imagine a white person deliberatley driving his car into a large group of young black college students at a predominatley black university, ...& admitting he was trying to kill them??

There would be NO SHORTAGE of news outrage on that story, & you can BET the news analysts would be editorializing on that racist white person, & probably even be blamed on Bush, & conservative talk radio!

Mmm...actually CU Boulder had an episode last semester with a white guy sending death threats to blacks on the campus telling them to get out. Bet you didn't hear about that. Seeing as he had a political purpose, it could even be classified as terrorism.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Mmm...actually CU Boulder had an episode last semester with a white guy sending death threats to blacks on the campus telling them to get out. Bet you didn't hear about that. Seeing as he had a political purpose, it could even be classified as terrorism.

Actually that's called a terrorist threat it's a real charge and the penalties are very stiff.

 

[Kelzie]

Actually that's called a terrorist threat it's a real charge and the penalties are very stiff.

Yeah he only got convicted of assault though. Stupid crunchy granola Boulder jury. :roll:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Yeah he only got convicted of assault though. Stupid crunchy granola Boulder jury. :roll:

Well what do you expect from the home town of Ward Churchill,

You go to Boulder? I went there once with my cousin he went to school there we road tripped it all the way up from Jacksonville, it's like the entire population is college kids there.