SUPPORT THE TROOPS!! (bring them home)

[kal-el]

Likewise my good friend. Also dont take any thing personal i just get woorded up incase if you havent noticed lol.

Yea, it's all good-natured fun. I can tell you,as well as most everybody here, are intelligent people that I enjoy discussing things with.

 

[american#2000]

i am one of those troops why would i leave a job half finished. if you asked someone for help would you want them to leave befor the job was done.
when we leave a country in the shape that iraq is in now it would soon be over run by yet another dictater. and it would also leave the people bitter toward the western world and terrorrist recruiting would jump resulting in more attacks on americans and western europeans every where.

 

[kal-el]

i am one of those troops why would i leave a job half finished. if you asked someone for help would you want them to leave befor the job was done.

No, but the Iraqis never asked us for help.

when we leave a country in the shape that iraq is in now it would soon be over run by yet another dictater. and it would also leave the people bitter toward the western world and terrorrist recruiting would jump resulting in more attacks on americans and western europeans every where.

As opposed to now?

 

[SKILMATIC]

i am one of those troops why would i leave a job half finished. if you asked someone for help would you want them to leave befor the job was done.
when we leave a country in the shape that iraq is in now it would soon be over run by yet another dictater. and it would also leave the people bitter toward the western world and terrorrist recruiting would jump resulting in more attacks on americans and western europeans every where.

I think your right on with that logic sir.

Yea, it's all good-natured fun. I can tell you,as well as most everybody here, are intelligent people that I enjoy discussing things with.

And you are right on as well. And your right not all of us are ntelligent. :lol:

 

[SKILMATIC]

No, but the Iraqis never asked us for help.

Your absolutely right but most did ask for our help.

As opposed to now?

Well a countries shape is defined differently.

 

[MSgt]

No, but the Iraqis never asked us for help.



As opposed to now?

Too bad. They got it anyway. If we didn't have issues with Saddam, they would still be comfortably oppressed and terrorized.

You obviously must be one of those people that were born into freedom and have no idea what it is like to live in these countries. Where they were oppressed and abused, now they have a chance at something better. Nothing comes easy. Like the saying goes..."freedom ain't free"....it's not free for them either. They have to earn it.

From an Iraqi Cleric today......."I call for a meeting ... of all the country's religious and political leaders to take a stand against the bloodshed," al-Sumaidaei said during his sermon at Baghdad's Um al Qura Sunni mosque. "We don't need others to come across the border and kill us in the name of defending us," he declared, a reference to foreign fighters who have joined the insurgency under the banner of al-Qaida. "We reject the killing of any Iraqi."

They are not confused as to who the enemy is and neither are the Marines and soldiers in country....why do you choose to be?

 

[kal-el]

Your absolutely right but most did ask for our help.

Ahh yes, the "We will be greated as liberators" adage. At first we were. But now, as the Iraqis grow tired of being occupied,they keep asking the akward question of, "When will you go home?" And the coalition, dosen't answer, instead they pass the buck onto the Iraqi police of maintaining order.

Well a countries shape is defined differently.

You got that right. What do think other countries see when they look at Iraq? Please, it's almost sad. We traded in a dictator (whom we supported), for chaos.

What are you guys gonna say when we eventually leave, and another dictator 10x worse than Saddam takes over. Are we gonna invade again? This just might keep snowballing forever. History repeats itself.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Ahh yes, the "We will be greated as liberators" adage.

Well I dont know about you but we were. :lol:

"When will you go home?"

Show me one prominent leader who has exclaimed these very words?

You got that right. What do think other countries see when they look at Iraq? Please, it's almost sad. We traded in a dictator (whom we supported), for chaos.

Again this ideology hypoctrites your very own beleifs and ideologies. This argument will never fly.

 

[SKILMATIC]

What are you guys gonna say when we eventually leave, and another dictator 10x worse than Saddam takes over. Are we gonna invade again? This just might keep snowballing forever. History repeats itself.

If this ever happened which I doubt ever will. But lets say for the sake of the twilight zone it did. The solution is very simple. I know you will never agree with it but hey you wanted to know a solution so Iam giving you one. The solution is we nuke 'em. Any questions? Ok there problem solved.

 

[kal-el]

If this ever happened which I doubt ever will. But lets say for the sake of the twilight zone it did. The solution is very simple. I know you will never agree with it but hey you wanted to know a solution so Iam giving you one. The solution is we nuke 'em. Any questions? Ok there problem solved.

No problem worse. Nuclear holocaust there. Other countries will retalite, then their allies, then ours, then...well you get the picture.

 

[MSgt]

Ahh yes, the "We will be greated as liberators" adage. At first we were. But now, as the Iraqis grow tired of being occupied,they keep asking the akward question of, "When will you go home?" And the coalition, dosen't answer, instead they pass the buck onto the Iraqi police of maintaining order.

You got that right. What do think other countries see when they look at Iraq? Please, it's almost sad. We traded in a dictator (whom we supported), for chaos.

What are you guys gonna say when we eventually leave, and another dictator 10x worse than Saddam takes over. Are we gonna invade again? This just might keep snowballing forever. History repeats itself.

This is more BS. Do you just watch a couple of news reports and deduct an opinion?

Here is a qoute from a Sheik in the Al-Anbar Province...."In my heart I want you to go, but in my head I know you should stay."

Here is a quote from an Iraqi Cleric....."I call for a meeting ... of all the country's religious and political leaders to take a stand against the bloodshed. We don't need others to come across the border and kill us in the name of defending us," he declared, a reference to foreign fighters who have joined the insurgency under the banner of al-Qaida. "We reject the killing of any Iraqi."

Your lying is dispicable. The war is tough enough without weak minds and imaginations maliciously spreading lies. "When will you go home?" And the coalition, dosen't answer, instead they pass the buck onto the Iraqi police of maintaining order." Where did you get this? Did you find a qoute from a Sunni terrorist or an insurgent on his way to murder 50 civilians for Allah? We will not be wiping Iraq's ass forever and they need to step up for their own country. The training wheels were put on the bike, now they have to ride it.

What happens to Iraq after we leave will be Iraq's doing. Although, it would be a shame to see it happen, you will not find any military man shedding any tears for the failures that Iraqis might do to themselves. The goal was Saddam and the goal was met.

What's it to you anyway? If we do have to go back will you be beside me? Probably not.

 

[MSgt]

No problem worse. Nuclear holocaust there. Other countries will retalite, then their allies, then ours, then...well you get the picture.

The problem with nukes are that people have gotten used to the idea of a nuclear holocaust. During the days of the Cold War (were you born?) the fear of this was more of a reality than it is now, because the world had two super powers. An attack by either one would result in mass launches from either country and the fall out would have been disasterous to the world.

Again..it would do you some good to mature a little. The countries that possess nuclear weapons will not launch a free for all. We nuke Iraq, who retaliates? We nuke Iran, who retaliates? Any smaller country that wishes to get involved would be obliterated.

If it weren't for the demand of oil around the globe and everyone's economy riding on it...I would not oppose nuking the entire Middle East. The moral issue is something that I would live with. Know why? Because in the end, life would be much more peaceful without the terrorist region of the world existing.

 

[kal-el]

This is more BS. Do you just watch a couple of news reports and deduct an opinion?

Yes I do.

Here is a qoute from a Sheik in the Al-Anbar Province...."In my heart I want you to go, but in my head I know you should stay."

Okay, that's one person. How would you like if we were polled on the Iraq war, and I was the onlyone who answered?

Here is a quote from an Iraqi Cleric....."I call for a meeting ... of all the country's religious and political leaders to take a stand against the bloodshed. We don't need others to come across the border and kill us in the name of defending us," he declared, a reference to foreign fighters who have joined the insurgency under the banner of al-Qaida. "We reject the killing of any Iraqi."

Same response as prior.

Your lying is dispicable. The war is tough enough without weak minds and imaginations maliciously spreading lies. "When will you go home?" And the coalition, dosen't answer, instead they pass the buck onto the Iraqi police of maintaining order." Where did you get this? Did you find a qoute from a Sunni terrorist or an insurgent on his way to murder 50 civilians for Allah? We will not be wiping Iraq's ass forever and they need to step up for their own country. The training wheels were put on the bike, now they have to ride it.

You are right,I got that from an insurgent on his way to kill 50 civilians for "allah." Please, your making it sound as if Iraq is "ourlittle project" Please,these people have lives to live. Islam will always play a major role. There is no magic wand. They won't just say "whalla" and adopt Western-style democracy.

What happens to Iraq after we leave will be Iraq's doing. Although, it would be a shame to see it happen, you will not find any military man shedding any tears for the failures that Iraqis might do to themselves. The goal was Saddam and the goal was met.

In a way, but we are mostly to blame. We threw these peoples' lives in shambles. It's utter chaos. I'm sure after we leave, anarchy will prevail,and it won't be they're fault.

What's it to you anyway? If we do have to go back will you be beside me? Probably not.

No, if you didn't already know, I totally disagree with this mission.

 

[kal-el]

I would not oppose nuking the entire Middle East.

O man, sad, sad thinking.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Yes I do.

I knew it.

Okay, that's one person. How would you like if we were polled on the Iraq war, and I was the onlyone who answered?

Well he at least provided one and you havent provided none. So I think hes wining so far. Care to disagree?

You are right,I got that from an insurgent on his way to kill 50 civilians

I knew it

Please, your making it sound as if Iraq is "ourlittle project" Please,these people have lives to live. Islam will always play a major role. There is no magic wand. They won't just say "whalla" and adopt Western-style democracy.

Well they are our project and no they arent little, we have lives too and at least we decided to do something with them. Well I have a magic wand and it does wonders to the female gender. And they will adopt it as they are doing now.

 

[SKILMATIC]

O man, sad, sad thinking.

How is it sad? Who would whine? ONLY FANATICAL ISLAMIC LOVERS WOULD WHINE. Are you a fanatic?

 

[MSgt]

O man, sad, sad thinking.

Try fighting against these monsters for over a decade and then listen to your own people tell you what is "wrong in the world."

 

[SKILMATIC]

Try fighting against these monsters for over a decade and then listen to your own people tell you what is "wrong in the world."

Exactly although I ma not even old enough to be fighting them for a decade but I got to tell ya a year billet is enough for me.

 

[kal-el]

Try fighting against these monsters for over a decade and then listen to your own people tell you what is "wrong in the world."

You are too entangled in the consequential logic of violence. You're just spitting out propaganda for violence, that will propagate more.It will be the only model for our youth because it's the only one they have.

 

[SKILMATIC]

You are too entangled in the consequential logic of violence. You're just spitting out propaganda for violence, that will propagate more.It will be the only model for our youth because it's the only one they have

If gunny is entangled into anything its the values of common sense. Violence will not necassarily beget violence. Thats such a retarded anecdote. This is so one minded. Violence has been used for good reasons. What would you have expected us to fight hitler with? A boquet of flowers and some heart candy? I think not. So you need to get rid of this utopian ideology of violence never prodeuces anything good.

 

[MSgt]

Yes I do.



Okay, that's one person. How would you like if we were polled on the Iraq war, and I was the onlyone who answered?




Same response as prior.



You are right,I got that from an insurgent on his way to kill 50 civilians for "allah." Please, your making it sound as if Iraq is "ourlittle project" Please,these people have lives to live. Islam will always play a major role. There is no magic wand. They won't just say "whalla" and adopt Western-style democracy.



In a way, but we are mostly to blame. We threw these peoples' lives in shambles. It's utter chaos. I'm sure after we leave, anarchy will prevail,and it won't be they're fault.



No, if you didn't already know, I totally disagree with this mission.

You're showing your ignorance again. This one person is a religous leader. He holds great power amongst Islamics in the Middle East. He speaks the sentiments of many in the Sunni triangle. And by the way, these weren't polls. These are real people that are in the area that you think you know so well. You have a choice. Believe the minority Sunni murderers or believe the majority that make up the murdered.

More ignorance. The goal is not to set up "western-style Democracy." The goal is to set up a democracy of their own choosing. It will not be a democracy that we would like to see, but any democracy is a step in the right direction.

You are so mistaken in your thoughts. If you want to blame us for putting them into this chaos, then fine, but chaos was the only path that they have to take. We can not hold hands and wipe asses. This goes for everywhere we have ever gone and will ever go in the future. All we can do is offer the opportunity. They have to roll up their sleeves and take control of their own destiny. If they don't, they fail themselves. In the end it is a self help world.

I know your morally decrepit views on helping someone else. You have declared them before. Since you have nothing to do with it, why do you care?

 

[MSgt]

You are too entangled in the consequential logic of violence. You're just spitting out propaganda for violence, that will propagate more.It will be the only model for our youth because it's the only one they have.

Yes, America's thirst for violence started with Iraq. You get beat up in school a lot don't you? You know..turning the other cheek and all.

 

[kal-el]

If gunny is entangled into anything its the values of common sense. Violence will not necassarily beget violence. Thats such a retarded anecdote. This is so one minded. Violence has been used for good reasons. What would you have expected us to fight hitler with? A boquet of flowers and some heart candy? I think not. So you need to get rid of this utopian ideology of violence never prodeuces anything good.

9 out of 10 times it dosen't.Just because Hitler was overthrown with the use of violence, do we have to resort to violence every time? Violence just snowballs, causes even more, and when we get involved, we are morally obligated to carry on.

 

[kal-el]

Yes, America's thirst for violence started with Iraq. You get beat up in school a lot don't you? You know..turning the other cheek and all.

Negative. I'm outta school. Of course in school, everyone seems to go by the confused logic of "might is right" and other nonsensical things.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Violence just snowballs, causes even more, and when we get involved, we are morally obligated to carry on.

Well thats funny casue if that statement were true then it wouldve snowballed into ww3 wouldnt it. But last time I checked we were still ony at WW2. So nope wrong again. Violence never snowballs neither does it it beget moire violence. If it did then the violence in WW2 would have loooked schoolgirlish compared to the violence it wouldve snowballed into.