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Something to remember if you lean Conservative and are voting 3rd party.

Aunt Spiker said:
If that's how you measure things out - that's your problem. :shrug: I don't uphold the two parties on the pedestals that they're on - I aim to knock them both off.
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Under 60% of eligible voters vote. Last election the number of voters to vote was 56.8%.

Considering that the country is pretty evenly divided would mean the Dems and Reps received each about 28%. How's that for a mandate?

To take it another degree many of those two groups of 28% may have voted because they fell for the old "your vote is lost voting for a 3rd party candidate".

The 43.2% who didn't vote are a group I would not call hardcore dems or reps if they didn't even bother to vote in the presidental election.

If you could convince those 43.2 % to vote for a third party candidate along with the group who hold their nose voting D or R then that little pedestal the two main parties have built could crumble like the Roman Empire.
 
Crosscheck said:
Under 60% of eligible voters vote. Last election the number of voters to vote was 56.8%.

Considering that the country is pretty evenly divided would mean the Dems and Reps received each about 28%. How's that for a mandate?

To take it another degree many of those two groups of 28% may have voted because they fell for the old "your vote is lost voting for a 3rd party candidate".

The 43.2% who didn't vote are a group I would not call hardcore dems or reps if they didn't even bother to vote in the presidental election.

If you could convince those 43.2 % to vote for a third party candidate along with the group who hold their nose voting D or R then that little pedestal the two main parties have built could crumble like the Roman Empire.
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My mother stopped voting BECAUSE she never supported any of the ones that 'were most likely to win' and she didn't see the point. I find it's disgusting that our system turns people AWAY from voting because they feel it's pointless to take the time.

it's not pointless - it's crucial. You can't change anything if you don't DO anything.

She's the reason why I've been writing my never ending book on 3rd-party candidates and views . . . it started as a summary of alternative candidates for her sake - so she can see that there were many other parties out there that represented her views and she didn't have to settle.

Every election cycle I get back to work on this blasted thing and one of these days I'll finalize it and publish it.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
If that's how you measure things out - that's your problem. :shrug: I don't uphold the two parties on the pedestals that they're on - I aim to knock them both off.
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I don't either but the candidate that will be elected will come from one of those parties...

If someone fails to vote then they have no right to complain.
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't either but the candidate that will be elected will come from one of those parties...
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Until the day he doesn't. You seem hellbent on keeping the two in the game.

I think they've failed - both - miserably - at leading this country in a growing and forward direction. Under both of their toggling rule we've fallen apart.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Until the day he doesn't. You seem hellbent on keeping the two in the game.

I think they've failed - both - miserably - at leading this country in a growing and forward direction. Under both of their toggling rule we've fallen apart.
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How could Romney have failed?:confused: He hasn't been president yet.
 
Navy Pride said:
How could Romney have failed?:confused: He hasn't been president yet.
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LOL - you think he's *so* much more different than all others who have come before him?

I don't think he's much different than Bush, Reagan . . .etc etc. Just like I don't think Obama's much more different than Clinton and all others.

Don't you see (ok - no, you don't see). Well - what I see is that we have serious issues and each party just feeds the issues more by failing to actually come to agreement on #1: what those issues are. #2: how best to resolve them. #3: what MUST be actually compromised on to move our country in a promising and forward direction.

They're just playing games - like kids on a tee-tee totter.

Do you honestly believe that our economic and foreign policy issues (etc) are going to be resolve by Romney? Of course they wont' be . . . our issues are here BECAUSE we can't break away from one OR the other . . . they feed each other like two fat gluttons at the dinner table.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
LOL - you think he's *so* much more different than all others who have come before him?

I don't think he's much different than Bush, Reagan . . .etc etc. Just like I don't think Obama's much more different than Clinton and all others.

Don't you see (ok - no, you don't see). Well - what I see is that we have serious issues and each party just feeds the issues more by failing to actually come to agreement on #1: what those issues are. #2: how best to resolve them. #3: what MUST be actually compromised on to move our country in a promising and forward direction.

They're just playing games - like kids on a tee-tee totter.

Do you honestly believe that our economic and foreign policy issues (etc) are going to be resolve by Romney? Of course they wont' be . . . our issues are here BECAUSE we can't break away from one OR the other . . . they feed each other like two fat gluttons at the dinner table.
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Your guy has had his chance and failed miserably...........Why not give someone else a chance to fix thing? It sure can't be worse then the last 4 years under Obama.
 
Navy Pride said:
A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Obama.
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It's actually a vote for Romney, since I live in a conservative district within a conservative state. The "a vote for 3rd party is a vote for x" only demonstrates a lack in understanding of how the electoral process works.
 
Navy Pride said:
Your guy has had his chance and failed miserably...........Why not give someone else a chance to fix thing? It sure can't be worse then the last 4 years under Obama.
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LOL - I don't support Obama but I wouldn't say things couldn't possibly get worse - they have been and they could be again.

I say it's time we let Republicans and Democrats off the hook for a job ****ty done and let someone entirely new with all new values and views take charge.

Or do I need to brief you on the tragedies of America over the last 60 ****ing years? Because if you really need it I'll do it - I don't vote 3rd party for a poorly defined reason.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
LOL - you think he's *so* much more different than all others who have come before him?

I don't think he's much different than Bush, Reagan . . .etc etc. Just like I don't think Obama's much more different than Clinton and all others.

Don't you see (ok - no, you don't see). Well - what I see is that we have serious issues and each party just feeds the issues more by failing to actually come to agreement on #1: what those issues are. #2: how best to resolve them. #3: what MUST be actually compromised on to move our country in a promising and forward direction.

They're just playing games - like kids on a tee-tee totter.

Do you honestly believe that our economic and foreign policy issues (etc) are going to be resolve by Romney? Of course they wont' be . . . our issues are here BECAUSE we can't break away from one OR the other . . . they feed each other like two fat gluttons at the dinner table.
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The two parties give you this ineffective and deceptive alternative of voting Third Party because the Establishments of the parties don't want you to participate in an effective way. You've been had if you believe you are really voting. You might as well write in Donald Duck. Your only voting alternative is in the two parties' primaries. You're also a sore loser if you don't accept the reality of the system.

Unless you get a change to a Presidential runoff, you are not worth listening to and will only mislead those who have been lied to about what practical alternatives are available. If it doesn't work, it shouldn't exist.
 
PrometheusBound said:
The two parties give you this ineffective and deceptive alternative of voting Third Party because the Establishments of the parties don't want you to participate in an effective way. You've been had if you believe you are really voting. You might as well write in Donald Duck. Your only voting alternative is in the two parties' primaries. You're also a sore loser if you don't accept the reality of the system.

Unless you get a change to a Presidential runoff, you are not worth listening to and will only mislead those who have been lied to about what practical alternatives are available. If it doesn't work, it shouldn't exist.
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:rofl Now 3rd party voting is a conspiracy. Oh yeah - That's rich. Because as well ALL know it's just impossible to have more than 2 parties be influential in politics.

How closed minded is everyone? Obviously I'm making efforts to fix the ails of the system - and in order to do so you cannot continue to participate in what MAKES it broken.

As an American - that's my voter's right.

And your statement is just made more absurd by the fact that you claim you're an independent.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
:rofl Now 3rd party voting is a conspiracy. Oh yeah - That's rich. Because as well ALL know it's just impossible to have more than 2 parties be influential in politics.

How closed minded is everyone? Obviously I'm making efforts to fix the ails of the system - and in order to do so you cannot continue to participate in what MAKES it broken.

As an American - that's my voter's right.

And your statement is just made more absurd by the fact that you claim you're an independent.
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Again, what makes the government-from-above system broken is all these ineffective and impractical rights given to us by our self-appointed superiors. Instead, we should establish an effective self-government ourselves and make them accept it. A runoff is the only thing that would make voting for a Third Party a right anybody should be proud to have. As it is, you are all just pathetic suckers and your fantasy of teaching Romney a lesson should be treated with the contempt it deserves.
It's just a sissy fit where you people childishly stick your tongues out at the Establishment and think you've made a point. A lot like the Occupuppies.
 
Navy Pride said:
A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Obama.
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If you lean conservative then you shouldn't be voting for a dirty lib period.Romney is no conservative, he is a dirty lib. A vote for a lib is still a vote for a lib.The fact he has a R next to his name doesn't magically make him a conservative.
 
Navy Pride said:
A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Obama.
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Garbage. The only way someone can vote conservative is to vote for a third party candidate. Neither Romney nor the Republican Party is conservative by definition.
 
jamesrage said:
If you lean conservative then you shouldn't be voting for a dirty lib period.Romney is no conservative, he is a dirty lib. A vote for a lib is still a vote for a lib.The fact he has a R next to his name doesn't magically make him a conservative.
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Romney's not liberal or conservative or socialist or libertarian. He's not anything. He's switched positions so many times, he's lost any meaning. The only thing you could call him is, "say whatever I have to to get elected."
 
Luna Tick said:
Garbage. The only way someone can vote conservative is to vote for a third party candidate. Neither Romney nor the Republican Party is conservative by definition.
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most of the republican party, including its head, are neo -conservative.

big government, foreign interventionism, and violating the rights of citizens thru laws of security.
 
Luna Tick said:
Garbage. The only way someone can vote conservative is to vote for a third party candidate. Neither Romney nor the Republican Party is conservative by definition.
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Since most of the people in this country are moderates or lean slightly Conservative there is no way a true Conservative or Liberal can ever get elected president.
 
ernst barkmann said:
most of the republican party, including its head, are neo -conservative.

big government, foreign interventionism, and violating the rights of citizens thru laws of security.
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For once we agree.
 
ernst barkmann said:
most of the republican party, including its head, are neo -conservative.

big government, foreign interventionism, and violating the rights of citizens thru laws of security.
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There are only a couple of true Conservatives in the whole Congress..........I wish you were right.
 
Luna Tick said:
Romney's not liberal or conservative or socialist or libertarian. He's not anything. He's switched positions so many times, he's lost any meaning. The only thing you could call him is, "say whatever I have to to get elected."
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Actions speak louder than words and his actions as governor of Massachusetts says he is a liberal. The fact he decided to flop on those things says his change is due to the fact he wants to president and currently there is no way in hell a openly liberal republican can win the presidential primary.
 
Navy Pride said:
A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Obama.
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And a vote which lets the GOP party bosses know that they don't have to give us candidates that we are actually excited about. It let's them know we will hold our noses and vote any old POS they want to nominate. We will fall in line no matter how weak the candidate.

DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT let the GOP party bosses be afraid that they will have to actually pick a decent candidate to get your vote.
 
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