Some College Students Approve of ‘After-Birth Abortion’… Up to Age 5

[tosca1]

OOOPS. Can someone please move this to the Abortion thread? Thanks.



Some College Students Approve of ‘After-Birth Abortion’… Up to Age 5


Some students even maintain it’s okay to kill a child under the age of five, she told CNSNews.com.

“Since their requirements for personhood are completely arbitrary, they throw around numbers, you know, four years old, five years old. I had one friend say a college professor claimed six years old was a good cut-off,” she added.

CNSNews.com asked Garza what religious, philosophical or ethical grounds students use to defend “after-birth abortion”.

“Usually it’s utilitarian,” she replied. “They say that this child can’t fend for itself, or the child’s not self-aware, therefore it’s not fully human. Or they’ll say it’s human, but the child is not a person because it’s not self-aware or can’t survive on its own. They use arbitrary characteristics to discredit the humanity of the child before birth, and then use those same characteristics to discredit the humanity of the child after birth.”

CNSNews.com asked Garza whether she believes students think that “after-birth abortion” is morally acceptable because they’ve been taught so by their professors, or because it’s a logical extension of the prevailing abortion mentality.

“Well, I think both,” she replied.

“I think we're increasingly seeing that people are reading modern ethicist influences like Peter Singer as part of required reading, so they’re kind of accepting these very, very liberal ideologies because they’re being asked to read them in their courses.

“But I think as well, students are seeing that our society, or at least part of our society, is telling them that abortion on demand for any reason is a woman’s right. And so they get this idea that a woman’s right and a choice are more valuable than anything.


Some College Students Approve of

 

[lizzie]

Unfortunately, this is not surprising. That attitude is the natural outcome of believing that a fetus becomes a person upon birth, based on its no longer being dependent upon the mother for survival. It may no longer be connected by the umbilical cord, but it most definitely needs a mother for survival. I don't expect that to ever become law here in this society, but just the fact that people think and feel this way, is the alarming (to me) issue.

 

[WCH]

Thank you abortion propagandists for brainwashing our youth.

Burn in HELL

 

[RabidAlpaca]

So a Christian group reports no numbers or statistics of any kind but says we "usually find one at every campus", that somehow is supposed to indicate a major trend or epidemic?

If you're going to fear monger at least present some big boy statistics instead of this horse ****.

Thank you abortion propagandists for brainwashing our youth.

Burn in HELL

You're so ready and willing to jump on the fear monger hate train over an article that has no statistics, studies or evidence of any kind. I guess it's easy to believe what you want to believe.

Can you prove that any significant portion of the population (greater than 1%) supports this? Has any politician tried to put forth legislation to legalize this?

 

[Slyfox696]

Thank you abortion propagandists for brainwashing our youth.

Burn in HELL

I think it's funny you so readily accept a story from an obviously biased source who interviewed an obviously biased person from an obviously biased group and then accuse others of being brainwashed.

Have you ever met the black kettle?

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Thank you abortion propagandists for brainwashing our youth.

Burn in HELL

I came to the conclusion of pro-choice without anyone.

My father is a Catholic and has never once talked about abortion with me. My mother is pro-choice but she never really talks about it (she just doesn't care since she personally wouldn't get an abortion).

Meanwhile, if you want to talk about brainwashing youth...

I see these organizations on facebook that reach out to children who aren't even 8 years old and feed them all this pro-life propoganda bull****.

THEY CAN BURN IN THE HELL I DON'T BELIEVE IN!

 

[WCH]

I came to the conclusion of pro-choice without anyone.

My father is a Catholic and has never once talked about abortion with me. My mother is pro-choice but she never really talks about it (she just doesn't care since she personally wouldn't get an abortion).

Meanwhile, if you want to talk about brainwashing youth...

I see these organizations on facebook that reach out to children who aren't even 8 years old and feed them all this pro-life propoganda bull****.

THEY CAN BURN IN THE HELL I DON'T BELIEVE IN!

You'll have a hard time convincing me that anything *pro-life is bad.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

You'll have a hard time convincing me that anything *pro-life is bad.

It's not that pro-life itself is inherently bad (that's like saying libertarianism or conservatism or liberalism are inherently just bad philosophies which they are not) but that these groups that reach out to kids who at their age cannot think for themselves are bad.

But your bias won't allow you to see anything so why am I even responding?

 

[tosca1]

Unfortunately, this is not surprising. That attitude is the natural outcome of believing that a fetus becomes a person upon birth, based on its no longer being dependent upon the mother for survival. It may no longer be connected by the umbilical cord, but it most definitely needs a mother for survival. I don't expect that to ever become law here in this society, but just the fact that people think and feel this way, is the alarming (to me) issue.

As to it never to become law in our society - there's no guarantee that it won't. Just like any other issues that we've never expected to become acceptable, it can be too.

If they'd managed to change the status of a fetus from human to non-human - then it's doable. Hitler was able to sell the idea that Jews were non-human.

All it needs is a justification that it's for the "good," and a good measure of apathy.

 

[Tucker Case]

In related news, some college students like to **** with christian groups who annoy them with questions about abortion.

 

[tosca1]

Almost 20 years ago I've had a heated discussion with a university student. She favors killing her hypothetical fetus instead of carrying the baby for 9 months and giving him up for adoption. Her reason? It's an interruption to her life.

That answer, though it may seem practical to some, does smacks of self-centeredness and total disregard for accountability.

The callous indifference towards the act of snuffing out a human life, and calmly justify it in terms of practicality...... just floored me at the time. I thought, this is like looking at a monster.

That must've been what it's like to discuss with the likes of Bundy or any psychopaths.

That was 20 years ago. Lo and behold.....here we are now.

 

[WCH]

So a Christian group reports no numbers or statistics of any kind but says we "usually find one at every campus", that somehow is supposed to indicate a major trend or epidemic?

If you're going to fear monger at least present some big boy statistics instead of this horse ****.


You're so ready and willing to jump on the fear monger hate train over an article that has no statistics, studies or evidence of any kind. I guess it's easy to believe what you want to believe.

Can you prove that any significant portion of the population (greater than 1%) supports this? Has any politician tried to put forth legislation to legalize this?

I look at this as I do with any Leftist ideology...you start out teaching that it's OK to do or believe one thing and it blossoms into something worse.

 

[WCH]

It's not that pro-life itself is inherently bad (that's like saying libertarianism or conservatism or liberalism are inherently just bad philosophies which they are not) but that these groups that reach out to kids who at their age cannot think for themselves are bad.

But your bias won't allow you to see anything so why am I even responding?

At what age would you begin to teach a child that just because they see a bug and perceive it as a bad thing, they shouldn't necessarily kill it?

Respect for life has no age barriers. If that's too biased for you...sorry.

 

[tosca1]

I was leafing through a pamphlet about Euthanasia, and one of the stories stuck out: A mentally challenged man suffered from pneumonia and was hospitalized. The mother noticed a purple band on her son's wrist and asked the nurse what it meant. That band meant, "do not resuscitate." No one asked the parents of that man. Whoever gave that "do not resuscitate" sign took it upon himself to make that decision.

There is a common thread between these two issues:

Somebody is given the right to decide who lives and who dies.

 

[tosca1]

At what age would you begin to teach a child that just because they see a bug and perceive it as a bad thing, they shouldn't necessarily kill it?

Respect for life has no age barriers. If that's too biased for you...sorry.

A child who is taught from the onset to respect life will automatically have that value ingrained in them.
It will come as naturally as breathing.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

At what age would you begin to teach a child that just because they see a bug and perceive it as a bad thing, they shouldn't necessarily kill it?

Respect for life has no age barriers. If that's too biased for you...sorry.

If the debate is controversial and there is no proven correct way (for example, like theft, which we as humans know to always be wrong) then there are age barriers.

Once the child is seen to be able to begin to think for her/himself then you must give them both sides and let them analyze and decide what is right/wrong.

You're brainwashing otherwise.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

A child who is taught from the onset to respect life will automatically have that value ingrained in them.
It will come as naturally as breathing.

I was baptized Christian, raised Christian, my dad is Catholic, I turned out pro-choice.

 

[tosca1]

If the debate is controversial and there is no proven correct way (for example, like theft, which we as humans know to always be wrong) then there are age barriers.

Once the child is seen to be able to begin to think for her/himself then you must give them both sides and let them analyze and decide what is right/wrong.

You're brainwashing otherwise.

They won't know the difference between right and wrong if no one teaches them what is right and what is wrong!



Even animals teach their young the law of the jungle - how to survive. What? You'll raise your child thinking all you need to supply is just board and lodgings - and then you sic them on society? :lol:

In other words, he becomes our problem!

That's crazy! Besides, there's more stress for an adolescent to cope with, never mind shoving him out the door and say, "here! Learn for yourself!" :doh


I know of a couple who have that same kind of attitude. They have this 9 year old boy come to dinner with us and he ate like a pig! He didn't hold his fork properly and he was so messy for a 9 year old boy! He definitely had no table manners. They're very well-to-do! But they have this liberalism to let him learn by himself whenever.

I felt so sorry for that boy when he starts dating.....or when he's older to be invited to gatherings.
Imagine the pressure on that boy to try coping?


There's a label for that kind of parenting: LAZY PARENTING!


You're giving a whole new meaning to brain-washing.

 

[WCH]

If the debate is controversial and there is no proven correct way (for example, like theft, which we as humans know to always be wrong) then there are age barriers.

Once the child is seen to be able to begin to think for her/himself then you must give them both sides and let them analyze and decide what is right/wrong.

You're brainwashing otherwise.

I asked you "at what age does a child begin to think for itself"? [in so many words] it could be from conception.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

They won't know the difference between right and wrong if no one teaches them what is right and what is wrong!

And who teaches them what is right and what is wrong?

Hitler?

Jesus?

Confucius?

Stop making excuses for brainwashing children.

 

[WCH]

I was baptized Christian, raised Christian, my dad is Catholic, I turned out pro-choice.

And you're very young...right?

If you tell me you aren't influenced by the culture, I'll call you a liar.

If you tell me there's not doubt in your mind, I'll do it again.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

And you're very young...right?

If you tell me you aren't influenced by the culture, I'll call you a liar.

If you tell me there's not doubt in your mind, I'll do it again.

I have many Christian values, but I'm still pro-choice.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Some college students (note that no percentage was ever given) believe many things that are never going to be a majority opinion or governmant policy. Just because some college students believe that animals should not be eaten (or killed) we need not fear that the slaughter of cattle will be banned by the government. Some religions ban the eating of oysters yet they are still legal food and may be purchased using taxpayer funded EBT cards. This seems to be, yet another, "bad ideas" could take hold if folks with "bad ideas" are permitted to share them with others argument.

 

[tosca1]

And who teaches them what is right and what is wrong?

Hitler?

Jesus?

Confucius?

Stop making excuses for brainwashing children.

His parents.

 

[tosca1]

I was baptized Christian, raised Christian, my dad is Catholic, I turned out pro-choice.

So you just negated your argument for brainwashing.:shrug:



You were able to make your own choice. After having been raised by Christians, you were able to - as you put it,
on your own - make that decision to become pro-choice.