Should the looters be shot site if caught in the act of looting?

[teacher]

I am going to say yes.

How far the difference between shooting someone for murder and looting? How far then the difference between the difference between shooting someone for looting and J-walking? This is America jamesrage, we can suck up a little looting. Unless you're the owner of said looted items, then at least give them the chance to put back the looted items and run. THEN, when all else fails, shoot. If your kids where thirsty, should you be shot for looting fluids? Haven't viewed your profile yet, but I'm gonna guess you're young. If not then you, post #508. Ah, it's good to have a body of work at ones beck and call.

 

[jamesrage]

How far the difference between shooting someone for murder and looting? How far then the difference between the difference between shooting someone for looting and J-walking?

In a time of crises rules have to change in order to maintain order and to make examples out of people.Jaywalking does not rob a individual of everything they worked hard for.

This is America jamesrage, we can suck up a little looting. Unless you're the owner of said looted items, then at least give them the chance to put back the looted items and run.

You must not know any thieves.Thieves do not give two shits about returning something and will exploiot the living hell out of a easy target.

If your kids where thirsty, should you be shot for looting fluids?

Did you even read the ****en thread?Because apparently you missed the part where I said"Should looters be shot if caught in the act of stealing things other than food or water?

 

[Old and wise]

Should the looters be shot site if caught in the act of looting?

If they were looting food or water, I could accept it. If they were looting anything else, they should be shot on site without question.

If I saw someone looting in my neighborhood, I would shoot them in a heartbeat because I consider them the lowest slime on this earth.

 

[JuliusCaesar]

No. I believe that the only time a law official should shoot someone is when they (the law official) or someone else is in danger. Shoplifting, in my opinion, is not a crime deserving capital punishment :roll: (then again, I'm somewhat anti-death penalty anyway.)

I am also repulsed by the attitude in this thread. Although what they are doing is wrong, they are not subhuman, as many in this thread have suggested. But before anyone begins flaming me, I am not condoning the actions of these criminals.

 

[Fantasea]

Folks from all over the South were flocking to the disaster areas to participate in the "Great Raid". Opportunities like this don't come along very often. There are some who view the chance to clean up by cleaning out as akin to a good lottery ticket.

I wonder how much human damage was caused by the nice guys who broke into every sporting goods store and emptied out the stocks of weapons and ammunition?

At the same time that heroes rise to the occasion, the dregs of humanity come out of the woodwork. Why should these criminals be coddled?

 

[kmhowe72]

Well if they are looting for food. No of corse not. But if they were looting and it was a tv or something. Maybe they shpuld in the leg or something.

 

[jamesrage]

I am also repulsed by the attitude in this thread. Although what they are doing is wrong, they are not subhuman, as many in this thread have suggested. But before anyone begins flaming me, I am not condoning the actions of these criminals.

The attitude that you have only encourages looters to go out and steal.

 

[Old and wise]

Well if they are looting for food. No of corse not. But if they were looting and it was a tv or something. Maybe they shpuld in the leg or something.

Leg or something? How about right between the eyes while they are looking at you?

 

[Canuck]

looters shot on sight no mercy

Bush,cheney and the rest of the rich elite class of america that loot your money,your future and your children's future.
NO MERCY !

 

[vergiss]

The attitude that you have only encourages looters to go out and steal.

You think everyone besides you is subhuman.

What about the cops caught looting? That's ok?

 

[jamesrage]

You think everyone besides you is subhuman.

My definition of subhuman is thieves,murderers,terrorist,pedophilers,,rapist and traitors.I would hate to think that everyone else on this forum is one of those things.

What about the cops caught looting? That's ok?

Cops caught in the act of looting things other than food or water should be shot as well.

 

[galenrox]

I must say, I didn't think it was possible, but once again you have all shocked me.
10 people voted for shooting people for looting, are you joking? Is this the Lord of Flies or a civilized nation? Of course you can't shoot them, that's just frickin ridiculous!

for one, to the "stealing everything they've worked hard for" argument, the fact of the matter is most of this is insured, and will also get paid for by the government. And if that's too expensive, maybe they could stop paying Carnival Cruise lines double their normal rate to hold refugees, and start spending things at reasonable rates, CHRIST!

Stealing is illegal, but we're not in ancient mesopotamia here, so no, there is no frickin possible way to justify killing people for looting, there is NO way, and if you've voted for killing them, then you're insane and hold absolutely no value on human life.

That's really just how it is.

I can't frickin believe some of you.

 

[jamesrage]

I must say, I didn't think it was possible, but once again you have all shocked me.
10 people voted for shooting people for looting, are you joking? Is this the Lord of Flies or a civilized nation? Of course you can't shoot them, that's just frickin ridiculous!

Stealing is illegal, but we're not in ancient mesopotamia here, so no, there is no frickin possible way to justify killing people for looting, there is NO way, and if you've voted for killing them, then you're insane and hold absolutely no value on human life.

That's really just how it is.

I can't frickin believe some of you.

You people would let people like Hitler live.You people think murderers,pedophilers and rapist should be spared from the death penalty.So do not give me that "I think scum should be spared"garbage.
I do hold value on human life but not the lives of scumbags.Why do you hold value to their lives,is there a scumbag inside you waiting to get out and you do not to ever face the death penalty.Quit putting yourself in the shoes of these scum and put your self in the shoes of people who value hardwork and honesty.

 

[HTColeman]

Hopefully some moron does not get their panties in a bunch and whines to a mod.


So the the question of this this thread is "Should looters be shot if caught in the act of stealing things other than food or water?


I am going to say yes.These looters need to made examples out of.People need to be taught that you can't be a low life degenerate scumbag during a time of crises and that there will be hell to pay to for being a low life degenerate scumbag.

Execution for stealing, making an example out of to scare other people, yea, **** the constitution and its due process and equal punishment. Not to mention this seems to resemble the lynchings in the post-civil war era.

 

[HTColeman]

You people would let people like Hitler live.You people think murderers,pedophilers and rapist should be spared from the death penalty.So do not give me that "I think scum should be spared"garbage.
I do hold value on human life but not the lives of scumbags.Why do you hold value to their lives,is there a scumbag inside you waiting to get out and you do not to ever face the death penalty.Quit putting yourself in the shoes of these scum and put your self in the shoes of people who value hardwork and honesty.

Okay, let's think logically,

Hitler started a world war, killed 6 million people, etc.
Looters stole tennis shoes

Murderer took someone's life from them
Looters took someone's t.v.

Rapists defiled, dishonored, and humiliate, not to mention endanger their victims health by their acts, scarring them for life.
Looters broke into a flooded store.

 

[galenrox]

You people would let people like Hitler live.You people think murderers,pedophilers and rapist should be spared from the death penalty.So do not give me that "I think scum should be spared"garbage.
I do hold value on human life but not the lives of scumbags.Why do you hold value to their lives,is there a scumbag inside you waiting to get out and you do not to ever face the death penalty.Quit putting yourself in the shoes of these scum and put your self in the shoes of people who value hardwork and honesty.

What in God's name are you babbling about? Are you frickin insane? Are you comparing Hitler to people stealing stuff cause no one's looking?
We're not talking about the death penalty here, we're talking about shooting people for stealing. Do you have no grasp on reality?

Jesus christ, man, jesus christ. You might want to check yourself into a mental health facility.

 

[C.J.]

You people would let people like Hitler live.You people think murderers,pedophilers and rapist should be spared from the death penalty.So do not give me that "I think scum should be spared"garbage.
I do hold value on human life but not the lives of scumbags.Why do you hold value to their lives,is there a scumbag inside you waiting to get out and you do not to ever face the death penalty.Quit putting yourself in the shoes of these scum and put your self in the shoes of people who value hardwork and honesty.

Under what Louisiana statute can the governor suspend your "rights?" That's right, I said your rights. If the scumbags rights are suspended so are yours. It's a damned good thing for Blanco that no looters were killed, she would have to answer for it. She did not have the statutory authority to declare Marshall law, and she damned well didn't have the statutory authority to order people shot.

The normal justifications for using deadly force should not be suspended because many people are carrying stolen property durring a flood any more than it would be proper to kill one person walking through a mud puddle with a stolen item.

 

[cnredd]

Under what Louisiana statute can the governor suspend your "rights?" That's right, I said your rights. If the scumbags rights are suspended so are yours. It's a damned good thing for Blanco that no looters were killed, she would have to answer for it. She did not have the statutory authority to declare Marshall law, and she damned well didn't have the statutory authority to order people shot.

The normal justifications for using deadly force should not be suspended because many people are carrying stolen property durring a flood any more than it would be proper to kill one person walking through a mud puddle with a stolen item.

That is a wonderful statement....

Woulda been better if it was correct...:2wave:

Assuming you mean "martial law"...I give you the following examples...

In 1892, at Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, rebellious mine workers blew up a mill and shot at strike-breaking workers. The explosion leveled a four-story building and killed one person. Mine owners asked the governor to declare martial law, which he did. At the same time, a request was made for federal troops to back guardsmen. Over 600 people were arrested. The list was whittled down to two dozen ring leaders who were tried in civil court. While in prison, the mine workers formed a new union, the Western Federation of Miners.

In 1914, imposition of martial law climaxed the so-called Coal Field Wars in Colorado. Dating back decades, the conflicts came to a head in Ludlow in 1913. The Colorado National Guard was called in to quell the strikers. For a time, the peace was kept, but it is reported that the make-up of the Guard stationed at the mines began to shift from impartial normal troops to companies of loyal mine guards. Clashes increased and the proclamation of martial law was made by the governor. President Wilson sent in federal troops, eventually ending the violence.

In 1934, California Governor Frank Merriam placed the docks of San Francisco under martial law, citing "riots and tumult" resulting from a dock worker's strike. The Governor threatened to place the entire city under martial law. The National Guard was called in to open the docks, and a city-wide institution of martial law was averted when goods began to flow. The guardsmen were empowered to make arrests and to then try detainees or turn them over to the civil courts.

If you wanna cry "technical", you can...from the same source...

On 8/26/2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans was placed under martial law after widespread flooding rendered civil authority ineffective. The state of Louisiana does not have an actual legal construct called "martial law," but instead something quite like it: a state of public health emergency. The state of emergency allowed the governor can suspend laws, order evacuations, and limit the sales of items such as alcohol and firearms. The governor's order limited the state of emergency, to end on 9/25/2005, "unless terminated sooner."

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html

"Limited the state of emergency"...

I guess she was waiting for a larger catastophy to lift the limits?...:roll:

 

[galenrox]

That is a wonderful statement....

Woulda been better if it was correct...:2wave:

Assuming you mean "martial law"...I give you the following examples...

In 1892, at Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, rebellious mine workers blew up a mill and shot at strike-breaking workers. The explosion leveled a four-story building and killed one person. Mine owners asked the governor to declare martial law, which he did. At the same time, a request was made for federal troops to back guardsmen. Over 600 people were arrested. The list was whittled down to two dozen ring leaders who were tried in civil court. While in prison, the mine workers formed a new union, the Western Federation of Miners.

In 1914, imposition of martial law climaxed the so-called Coal Field Wars in Colorado. Dating back decades, the conflicts came to a head in Ludlow in 1913. The Colorado National Guard was called in to quell the strikers. For a time, the peace was kept, but it is reported that the make-up of the Guard stationed at the mines began to shift from impartial normal troops to companies of loyal mine guards. Clashes increased and the proclamation of martial law was made by the governor. President Wilson sent in federal troops, eventually ending the violence.

In 1934, California Governor Frank Merriam placed the docks of San Francisco under martial law, citing "riots and tumult" resulting from a dock worker's strike. The Governor threatened to place the entire city under martial law. The National Guard was called in to open the docks, and a city-wide institution of martial law was averted when goods began to flow. The guardsmen were empowered to make arrests and to then try detainees or turn them over to the civil courts.

If you wanna cry "technical", you can...from the same source...

On 8/26/2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans was placed under martial law after widespread flooding rendered civil authority ineffective. The state of Louisiana does not have an actual legal construct called "martial law," but instead something quite like it: a state of public health emergency. The state of emergency allowed the governor can suspend laws, order evacuations, and limit the sales of items such as alcohol and firearms. The governor's order limited the state of emergency, to end on 9/25/2005, "unless terminated sooner."

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html

"Limited the state of emergency"...

I guess she was waiting for a larger catastophy to lift the limits?...:roll:

But dude, come on, I mean never the frickin less we're still talking about shooting, and possibly killing people for taking **** when no one's looking. Dude, if they killed everyone who would take **** if no one was looking they'd have to kill about 3/4ths of this country.

 

[cnredd]

But dude, come on, I mean never the frickin less we're still talking about shooting, and possibly killing people for taking **** when no one's looking. Dude, if they killed everyone who would take **** if no one was looking they'd have to kill about 3/4ths of this country.

Where did I mention shooting anyone?...

I only refuted her bolded statement in my post through previous facts...That's all...:2wave:

 

[galenrox]

Where did I mention shooting anyone?...

I only refuted her bolded statement in my post through previous facts...That's all...:2wave:

goddam you're a son of a bitch, you got me
jerk

 

[cnredd]

goddam you're a son of a bitch, you got me
jerk

:rofl

Don't worry...I've been there, too...:2wave:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=2805

Posts #9,11,13, & 15

 

[galenrox]

:rofl

Don't worry...I've been there, too...:2wave:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=2805

Posts #9,11,13, & 15

lol WOW
Doesn't that suck, when you think you've got such a great point, and then BAM, you feel like a moron?!

 

[cnredd]

lol WOW
Doesn't that suck, when you think you've got such a great point, and then BAM, you feel like a moron?!

sux hard...

What's worse are the ones who do it on a daily basis...more than one on here...

 

[C.J.]

That is a wonderful statement....

Woulda been better if it was correct...:2wave:

Assuming you mean "martial law"...I give you the following examples...

In 1892, at Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, rebellious mine workers blew up a mill and shot at strike-breaking workers. The explosion leveled a four-story building and killed one person. Mine owners asked the governor to declare martial law, which he did. At the same time, a request was made for federal troops to back guardsmen. Over 600 people were arrested. The list was whittled down to two dozen ring leaders who were tried in civil court. While in prison, the mine workers formed a new union, the Western Federation of Miners.

In 1914, imposition of martial law climaxed the so-called Coal Field Wars in Colorado. Dating back decades, the conflicts came to a head in Ludlow in 1913. The Colorado National Guard was called in to quell the strikers. For a time, the peace was kept, but it is reported that the make-up of the Guard stationed at the mines began to shift from impartial normal troops to companies of loyal mine guards. Clashes increased and the proclamation of martial law was made by the governor. President Wilson sent in federal troops, eventually ending the violence.

In 1934, California Governor Frank Merriam placed the docks of San Francisco under martial law, citing "riots and tumult" resulting from a dock worker's strike. The Governor threatened to place the entire city under martial law. The National Guard was called in to open the docks, and a city-wide institution of martial law was averted when goods began to flow. The guardsmen were empowered to make arrests and to then try detainees or turn them over to the civil courts.

If you wanna cry "technical", you can...from the same source...

On 8/26/2005, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans was placed under martial law after widespread flooding rendered civil authority ineffective. The state of Louisiana does not have an actual legal construct called "martial law," but instead something quite like it: a state of public health emergency. The state of emergency allowed the governor can suspend laws, order evacuations, and limit the sales of items such as alcohol and firearms. The governor's order limited the state of emergency, to end on 9/25/2005, "unless terminated sooner."

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html

"Limited the state of emergency"...

I guess she was waiting for a larger catastophy to lift the limits?...:roll:

No need to cry "technical." Your own source verifies that LA has no Marshal Law statute.

You may however point out the relevant clause in LA's "state of public health emergency" law.

And BTW, since when can a statute trump rights or the Constitution?

http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=207682