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Should public schools lead students in political speech/protest?

Should public schools lead students in political speech/protest?

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Dittohead not! said:
Schools are about teaching student to live in a democratic society that allows for people to express their views, to peacefully assemble to redress grievances, and to hold freedom of speech as a right. The protests are a learning experience.

If, on the other hand, we want to program little obedient robots, then we need to ditch the constitution and quit pretending to be a free republic.
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So rights trump responsibilities?? Those rights you are talking about do not exist in a vacuum, they exist as a function of fulfilling your responsibilities. If you fail to fulfill the responsibility of obeying the law, we will take away your right to free speech, to vote, to assemble, etc. and rightfully so. Rights and responsibilities are integral parts of each other and if you teach kids that they have rights but no responsibilities, you are setting them up for failure.
 
faithful_servant said:
Why should it matter how many kids are protesting?? Isn't the voice of one lone kid standing against the tide of conformity worth just as much as 400 chanting in unison??
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Again, I am just talking about the logistics of it. If two students are going to protest it doesn’t make logistical sense to postpone quizzes or open up football fields or auditoriums. If half the student body is doing it, however, it makes logistical sense.

Individual schools can figure out what that threshold is for themselves if they so choose.
 
VanceMack said:
Now what happens when they conduct sit-ins to protest homework? Or when they start demanding faculty be fired because they don’t like them?

It’s not appropriate for the school to take an affirmative stand on the protests IMO. They have the right to protest...in appropriate venues, and with normal consequences.


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Depending on the faculty member... I might join in with the students.
 
Moderate Right said:
They should also be taught to reject extremist left wing ideas but the left and the teaching profession don't believe there are any extremist left wing ideas.
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Taught to reject "extremist left wing ideas," or be taught to identify which ideas are extremist and not supportable?
Or, would you rather simply tell them, "No, that's an extreme left wing idea. You can't believe it."
 
faithful_servant said:
So rights trump responsibilities?? Those rights you are talking about do not exist in a vacuum, they exist as a function of fulfilling your responsibilities. If you fail to fulfill the responsibility of obeying the law, we will take away your right to free speech, to vote, to assemble, etc. and rightfully so. Rights and responsibilities are integral parts of each other and if you teach kids that they have rights but no responsibilities, you are setting them up for failure.
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Correct.
No one is doing that, so I'm not sure just what your point may be.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Taught to reject "extremist left wing ideas," or be taught to identify which ideas are extremist and not supportable?
Or, would you rather simply tell them, "No, that's an extreme left wing idea. You can't believe it."
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But that's the very same thing you do to right wing extremist ideas.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Depending on the faculty member... I might join in with the students.
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Which is YOUR right, as long as you arent coordinating and leading the protest. And your actions should in that instance face normal and natural consequences.
 
VanceMack said:
Which is YOUR right, as long as you arent coordinating and leading the protest. And your actions should in that instance face normal and natural consequences.
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It would be more effective to force students to participate though...
 
Public schools exist to teach students the basics skills needed to be a functioning member of society.

They should not be promoting anything to do with politics or religion.
 
beancounter said:
Public schools exist to teach students the basics skills needed to be a functioning member of society.

They should not be promoting anything to do with politics or religion.
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An understanding of politics and religion isn't necessary to be a functioning member of society?
 
Dittohead not! said:
An understanding of politics and religion isn't necessary to be a functioning member of society?
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Schools should not be advocating one side or another of a political issue.

Religion is not needed to function in society. And even if a school advocates religion in the most general/generic terms, they are still advocating Theism over Atheism.
 
X Factor said:
What's your opinion is of those who didn't walk out? The thing is, if you want to allow anti gun protests, then you have to allow other type protests as well if you're interested in fairness. How do generally smart people not understand this?
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The answer to that question was included in my post, which you quoted.
 
Schools are a major political threat, including colleges. A lot of the most major political movements in history, included revolutions of the 19th and 20th centuries, were spearheaded or greatly amplified by student involvement. That's probably why the government is drugging so many of our young students, IMO. It's also while the MSM has a penchant for attacking millennials. Psychologically speaking, millennials couldn't be more different than the baby boomer generation.

On the whole the student walk-out was ineffectual. It seemed like a lot of students did it just so that they wouldn't have to be in class that day. At the same time, some schools were directing students to partake in protests that were asking the government to take away their freedoms. It's such a sad mix up.

What really needs to be addressed is the culture of bullying in American schools. It is embedded in popular media that being picked on at school is some kind of rite of passage when really all it does is destroy some young people, so much so that they grab a gun and start shooting. Maybe if schools allowed people to be themselves this wouldn't be happening. Maybe if we stopped viewing school violence as an acceptable part of growing up, kids wouldn't be weaponizing themselves.

So we want to arm the teachers, put in more security guards, but do nothing about bullying? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
 
Northern Light said:
Schools are a major political threat, including colleges. A lot of the most major political movements in history, included revolutions of the 19th and 20th centuries, were spearheaded or greatly amplified by student involvement. That's probably why the government is drugging so many of our young students, IMO. It's also while the MSM has a penchant for attacking millennials. Psychologically speaking, millennials couldn't be more different than the baby boomer generation.

On the whole the student walk-out was ineffectual. It seemed like a lot of students did it just so that they wouldn't have to be in class that day. At the same time, some schools were directing students to partake in protests that were asking the government to take away their freedoms. It's such a sad mix up.

What really needs to be addressed is the culture of bullying in American schools. It is embedded in popular media that being picked on at school is some kind of rite of passage when really all it does is destroy some young people, so much so that they grab a gun and start shooting. Maybe if schools allowed people to be themselves this wouldn't be happening.

So we want to arm the teachers, put in more security guards, but do nothing about bullying? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
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What do you mean by the government drugging students?

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beancounter said:
1 Schools should not be advocating one side or another of a political issue.

2 Religion is not needed to function in society. And even if a school advocates religion in the most general/generic terms, they are still advocating Theism over Atheism.
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1. Agreed. They should, however, advocate for freedom of expression.
2. Understanding religion is essential to understanding historical events and issues in modern society.
 
Dittohead not! said:
1. Agreed. They should, however, advocate for freedom of expression.
2. Understanding religion is essential to understanding historical events and issues in modern society.
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What excuse will these angry, militant and indeed rogue operators of the gunhawk crowd
say of the March for Life this Saturday?

Let them keep trashing our Students and Educators, as they completely lose the current Younger generations.

If it wasn't such a terrifying time at this PMA, Perilous Moment of Awareness,
I would enjoy watching their meltdowns this coming Palm Sunday with Stormy D. discussing D. Dennison.

It will continue to amaze me that forever and never trumpcons won't jump on the President Pence bandwagon ...
 
Voted Other.

It's ok to allow students to peacefully protest.
 
X Factor said:
What's your opinion is of those who didn't walk out? The thing is, if you want to allow anti gun protests, then you have to allow other type protests as well if you're interested in fairness. How do generally smart people not understand this?
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So, reading that article, it discussed many schools and protests and while the Times itself focused on gun control and politics and Trump....the kids themselves were not ONLY talking (in your article and in the media that I saw) about gun control. They distinctly mentioned school security and mental illness. They were marching for school safety.

Tres Borrachos said that her 2 pro-gun sons protested. I'm strongly 2A. I support their right to protest "for school safety." These are school kids, clearly in danger...who can blame them for wanting action?

With that said, if a kid didnt feel comfortable joining them I would support them too. It's a complicated issue...I support any kid's 1A rights as much as anyone elses.
 
Due to the fact that those in grade school are still learning about the world around them, I say it's not right for schools to tell them how to think. It's the equivalent of pushing your beliefs on someone. Rather sickening, considering that the demonstrations they do are only to benefit the liberal teachers and get the kids out of doing work. So, I voted no.
 
X Factor said:


That's from the New York Times which hardly known as a right wing, pro gun publication.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/school-walkout.html

Do you support public schools leading kid in political speech? Poll on the way.
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Absolutely not. Just as public schools should not be leading students in prayer they have no business trying to shove politics into them.
 
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