Last I heard, the code name was for OBL.
I've only seen it used in two military jumps, exiting the training tower at Benning. The first time the guy did it, the instructors got pissed - and then he did it again. It was outrageous and certainly not condoned by our instructors.
If Geronimo is used in an inspiring sense, then it is ok. Just as Florida State can use the Seminole as its mascot - because it is a positive, an inspiration; however, if Florida State called their opponents 'Seminoles' there'd be a problem.
I don't have a problem with the use of the name Geronimo in military or other settings; I do have a problem with how it was used in this particular event. Generalizing is not going to make it any better, neither will the ensuing obfuscation.
The United States military uses the name "Geronimo!" to inspire courage and celebrate victory. While an apology would not be unwarranted, an explanation would be better. We use his name to honor him, and his heirs should be honored by it.[/QUOTE]
Same logic applies to sports teams.
An operations name should bring HONOR to Geronimo!!! Im actually pretty darn pissed with these Indians!!! First they outsource our jobs to them.... now THIS!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrr.........
It was a codeword, nothing more. Yet another example of political correctness gone out of control.
Have you all heard of the controversy surrounding the use of the name Geronimo for the successful military operation that killed Osama bin Laden?
Bin Laden, Geronimo link angers Native Americans - Yahoo! News
Do you agree? Is an apology in order?
(I admit, I'm especially curious what the liberals here think. :mrgreen
I don't really think an apology is needed, and frankly I'm getting sick of everyone being so ****ing thin skinned in this world to the point where honestly we can't even recognize honest to goodness racism or insults because every minor, non-intended thing gets made out to be a big freaking deal.
And no, contrary to what someone said ealier, I would have absolutely no qualms with it being "Reagan EKIA" or "Patten EKIA" or hell "Bauer EKIA" for all I care. You want to do Redneck Cracker EKIA, I'm fine with that too. Its a code name, one I'm sure not a crap ton of thought was put into. For all we know "GERONIMO" was used without even thinking of the Native American Warrior but rather the exclamation commonly used by kids on up when taking a plunge into something.
I can see why some would be upset. I dont see anything wrong with acknowledging their perspective and moving on.
At the same time I agree there are a lot of folks looking for insult where none was intended. Those people are usually non minority white folks or race baiters that have made a career out of stirring **** up. I remember back when the Atl Braves were under attack to change their team name. Everyone thought it was a good idea...except the tribes that were producing their merchandise.
I can see why some would be upset. I dont see anything wrong with acknowledging their perspective and moving on.
At the same time I agree there are a lot of folks looking for insult where none was intended. Those people are usually non minority white folks or race baiters that have made a career out of stirring **** up. I remember back when the Atl Braves were under attack to change their team name. Everyone thought it was a good idea...except the tribes that were producing their merchandise.
Similar situation with the Washington Redskins
I thought the whole point of a codeword was to apply a name which may or may not be related to a thing, so that you could refer to that thing without giving away what you were talking about to an uninitiated eavesdropper.
Hell, they've probably got a book somewhere with a list of codewords and they just work their way down it every time they need one -- sort of how we name hurricanes and so forth.
i'm not sure i understand the problem here. if i were a descendant of geronimo, i would be honored.
i'm not sure i understand the problem here. if i were a descendant of geronimo, i would be honored.
Have you all heard of the controversy surrounding the use of the name Geronimo for the successful military operation that killed Osama bin Laden?
Bin Laden, Geronimo link angers Native Americans - Yahoo! News
Do you agree? Is an apology in order?
(I admit, I'm especially curious what the liberals here think. :mrgreen
Yep...and several university programs. MOST of the time teams select nicknames because they secretely are self loathing and want to associate themselves with things they despise! :roll:
I dont think it would be palatable if we went through the country and cleansed every street, university, park, and government facility of all Indian names and titles.
Do you agree? Is an apology in order?
Geronimo would almost certainly be pleased with the use of his name in this context.
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