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Should having a child require a course to complete on parenting and a psychological evaluation?

Should having a child require a course to complete on parenting and a psychological evaluation?

  • YES

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • No

    Votes: 17 68.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • I am too stupid to understand how many lives are ruined by allowing twits to have children.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    25
Absolutely. Further, having worked for the federal government, I firmly believe one of those telephone book sized background checks, complete with genetic testing, should be completed. We'll get the duds weeded out. You could be 55 before you get an approval. Maybe you should adopt. They're more lenient in such instances. Here's a prospective adoptee. Bear in mind we try to keep the relative ages between parents and their children in line with what uninformed and probably undesirable parents would have been back in less enlightened times.

 
nota bene said:
I would like to add that on the opposite end of the financial spectrum, I've observed absolutely dreadful parenting.
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Quite true. It really depends more on character, not money.

But maintaining a tradition of good character in a family, across generations, is probably a lot harder amid desperate poverty than reasonable prosperity.
 
that's the problem
the parents do not get a SSN for their kids
if they will get a refund due to the children they will go to a tax preparer, otherwise, no
when the kid arrives in school they have often never seen a book
many are far below their age developmental level. you can probably guess why
those critical early years when essential learning should happen, it does not when shitty parents are involved
 
Overitall said:
I grew up with an alcoholic. It taught me how bad alcohol can be and I only drank occasionally. I shared this with my kids. Sometimes experience can be a good teacher.
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I grew up with two. But even before they developed drinking problems, their attitude was to distrust their kids until they had proven themselves. So, for example, the teacher/neighbor/adult was always right. I did the opposite: I trusted my kids until they proved themselves untrustworthy. I also never introduced them to "Mr. Brown Belt" or "Mr. Black Belt."
 
Good post... nothing will make the world perfect or parents doing the right thing everty time... but surely not allowing gang members or murderers or child abusers or people with IQs that lead them to the dumbest of dumb decisions or those stuck in poverty because of lack of education, etc. to not have kids is a good place to start.
 
We have far too many government "experts" making rules and decisions for us now. And that doesn't even count elected officials.
 
Goshin said:
Quite true. It really depends more on character, not money.

But maintaining a tradition of good character in a family, across generations, is probably a lot harder amid desperate poverty than reasonable prosperity.
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Yes, it is, and you touched on this in mentioning intergenerational poverty. I work with a charitable org that serves the poorest of the poor, and one issue is that many people genuinely cannot fathom making a decision that isn't of instant benefit. Put a little money aside for a tomorrow that may never come? Why, that's just crazy!
 
Well, there you have it. What's that saying about the apple. Sometimes it's not always true and you can choose your own courses in life despite the choices of your parents.
 

It's survival mentality. When tomorrow is a cloud of uncertainty and anxiety, you tend to live for today, for the moment. Planning for the future is all but impossible, because surviving NOW is hard enough.
 
Nope. And Mark Twain was right about how when he was 26, his dad became so much smarter.
 
Or stop them from having kids and repeating the cycle.
Goshin said:
I don't have the answer. Wish I did, but I don't think this idea would ever fly.
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Goshin said:
It's survival mentality. When tomorrow is a cloud of uncertainty and anxiety, you tend to live for today, for the moment. Planning for the future is all but impossible, because surviving NOW is hard enough.
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That's right, Goshin. I couldn't have said this better.
 
Goshin said:
Which is?
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It's 'almost free' to have a baby in Finland—and feels like 'the whole country is providing for a child'

In Finland, the cost of giving birth is next to nothing. In the U.S., recent studies suggest that the out-of-pocket spending for maternity care costs $4,500 on average, meanwhile maternal mortality rates are increasing. Here, experts explain the broader implications of this discrepancy.
www.cnbc.com

No grammar schools, lots of play: the secrets of Europe’s top education system

In Finland children don’t start school until they are seven, but what happens before that is even more important
www.theguardian.com

 
I found that having deep family roots helps a lot. A large extended family with mostly-shared-values makes it easier for the child to take your teaching seriously. The child sees it isn't just YOU that believes all this stuff, and they get to see the benefits of these values in relatives of various ages.

When Son#1 was old enough to start going out on his own, I told him "Neither your father, nor your grandfather, nor your great-grandfather ever spent a night in jail... try not to break the tradition."

So far he hasn't disappointed me.
 
Are you saying that you should have won the Nobel Peace Prize but because others are ageist you were denied the chance?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Are you saying that you should have won the Nobel Peace Prize but because others are ageist you were denied the chance?
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Haha. No.

I'm saying I was young and naive and thought a good idea was enough.

What's your excuse?
 
Goshin said:
It's survival mentality. When tomorrow is a cloud of uncertainty and anxiety, you tend to live for today, for the moment. Planning for the future is all but impossible, because surviving NOW is hard enough.
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When you find yourself up to your ass in angry alligators, it is very hard to remember that your mission was simply to drain the swamp.
 
justabubba said:
that's the problem
the parents do not get a SSN for their kids
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Yes they do, you have to sign a form to get it
justabubba said:
if they will get a refund due to the children they will go to a tax preparer,
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Which famously involves no paperwork
justabubba said:
otherwise, no
when the kid arrives in school they have often never seen a book
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Hmmm I don’t believe that
justabubba said:
many are far below their age developmental level. you can probably guess why
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Because of the breakdown of intermediate institutions, caused purposefully by the left
justabubba said:
those critical early years when essential learning should happen, it does not when shitty parents are involved
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ttwtt78640 said:
Many words to say “nothing”.
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not receiving a parenting license could be consequential
showing up at the delivery room without it gets a report to social services to follow up and respond appropriately
if the parents are ineligible/unlicensed, then they lose eligibility for ANY future government services
they also get sterilized
somehow, my sense is most would not see that as "nothing"
 

So then the child maybe suffers, because the parents are denied gov services.

Maybe a less than ideal consequence.
 
Goshin said:
Quite true. It really depends more on character, not money.
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character is critical
but so is means
without having means to care for themselves, how can the parents of children care for them properly
Goshin said:
But maintaining a tradition of good character in a family, across generations, is probably a lot harder amid desperate poverty than reasonable prosperity.
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absolutely. there are losers who are wealthy. i am not even going to point to an obvious example, who should be found ineligible to father any children
such ilk should be disqualified for a parenting license just as wonderful, caring people having limited means should receive one, if their means is even nominally adequate
 
Goshin said:
It's survival mentality. When tomorrow is a cloud of uncertainty and anxiety, you tend to live for today, for the moment. Planning for the future is all but impossible, because surviving NOW is hard enough.
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so i ask, why should prospects have a child in the midst of such uncertainty
that child only makes a difficult situation worse
hell of a situation for a newborn to enter the world within
 
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