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No. These are war weapons, not recreational or self-defense weapons. If you permit AK-47s and M-16s, why not permit people to build their own explosives? Make their own tear gas?
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]There are currently 37 states here in the U.S. that allow the possession of automatic weapons. The requirements are that you submit an application to [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]BATFE[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif] ([/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco &, Firearms & Explosives[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]. As part of that application a complete criminal background investigation is done and you must submit a set of current fingerprints as part of the process.(Finger Prints fee's vary from $15-$20 depending on the state of residence)
Once approved, you will be required to pay a one-time fee of $200 for a [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]Federal Tax Stamp[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif] per weapon (There are NO, REPEAT NO additional FEE'S,Dealer's Licenses or anything additional required!!)
With the GCA of 1986 (Gun Control Act) Civilians are not allowed to posess fully automatic weapons unless they were manufactured prior to 1986. The weapons manufactured before 1986 are "Grandfathered" meaning they can still be LEGALLY transfered thru a licensed/bonded Class III NFA Weapons Dealer.NO fully automatic weapons made after 1968 are legal for civilians to own or possess.[/FONT]
Honestly, if you need an AK to hunt......you're a pretty ****** hunter. Spray and pray anyone?
Furthermore, an AK is really not the best defense weapon in close quarters. You're better off buying a civilian P90. Compact, light, sufficient stopping power against non-armored opponents, easy to sight, easy to shoot.
That's not how it's going to work. They're going to come for your homes and families first. That's somewhat how a civil war works when one side is massively Superior in weapons. Basically force asymmetrical forces to defend positions that they choose, rather than what the asymmetrical force chooses. Furthermore, to actually overthrow the government, you're going to eventually have to neutralize those units. Can't do that with automatic weapons.
If this is the ideology behind the 2nd amendment, we're better off simply banning guns to force the people to ensure that their government never gets to that point rather then rely on some asinine hope to overthrow a government that never should have been allowed to get that bad in the first place.
A more reasonable and logical view behind the right to bear arms is to defend one's self and property and to provide for one's livelihood if necessary. If our right to bear arms was meant to overthrow the government, we wouldn't need a military as our civilian weapons would be enough to kick out invaders.
Attacking supply lines and dumps aren't easy as one imagine. They are guarded too, you know
Honestly, if you need an AK to hunt......you're a pretty ****** hunter. Spray and pray anyone?
Furthermore, an AK is really not the best defense weapon in close quarters. You're better off buying a civilian P90. Compact, light, sufficient stopping power against non-armored opponents, easy to sight, easy to shoot.
Honestly, if you need an AK to hunt......you're a pretty ****** hunter. Spray and pray anyone?
Furthermore, an AK is really not the best defense weapon in close quarters. You're better off buying a civilian P90. Compact, light, sufficient stopping power against non-armored opponents, easy to sight, easy to shoot.
Want to tell me how civilians owning automatic weapons will stop a tank division backed with air support?
The notion that the 2nd amendment exists today to allow us to overthrow the government is lunacy is context of what the military actually has these days.
Thermobaric weapons easily could wipe out a huge number of civilians with automatic weapons before they even knew what hit them.
I'm not intimately familiar with insurgency and counterinsurgency strategy, unfortunately. I'm a weapons and tactics guy; I know a lot more about how to do damage than where. But one thing that I have observed about guerrilla warfare, just from watching the news, is that guerrillas are willing to eat a lot more casualties than formal militaries and the occupying power always does far, far more damage to the civilian population than it does to the guerrillas themselves. Guerrilla wars are fought on the field of public opinion and all of the devastating tactics you describe are things that cause horrific amounts of damage to civilians.
Remember, we're talking about a country that gets its panties in a bunch when we waste enemy civilians.
Well, honestly, I don't care about the 2nd Amendment and I don't approve of loose talk about treason. I just believe that everyone should be as well-armed as they feel they need to be and that the decision to go to war should be as much of a personal decision as it is a collective decision. Who a man takes up arms for or against is between him and his gods.
Fair enough. I'm inclined to agree with you on this point, but I consider warfare a part of a man's livelihood.
The AK is a perfectly reasonable hunting rifle in semi-auto mode.
Yeah. I wouldn't use a rifle of any kind for home defense. On the other hand, I prefer shotguns to pistols for sheer stopping power.
As others said, an AK in semi-auto mode is perfectly fine for hunting.
You diss the AK for self-defense and advocate the P90?? You do realize the 5.7x28 ammo is a high velocity round intended to penetrate body armor? I've fired guns that use that caliber... I don't care for them, think they're overhyped. Tiny slugs with carbide tips travelling at very high velocity are not the way to go for close range self-defense.
If I lived in an apartment in the city, I'd probably use a shotgun loaded with #6 shot for home defense, to avoid overpenetration.
However I live out in the country, on a farm... a semiauto AK47 is my go-to gun for any major problems. It is more accurate than any pistol at common engagement ranges, and more powerful as well. Overpenetration out here isn't much of an issue.
I'd hate to have to take a hostage-rescue shot with that warped abomination POS P90.
Armored vehicles require lots of fuels to travel. Troops need a base.Troops need food. Any vehicle requires fuel. Tanks and other other tracked vehciles can be defeated using anything that can jam on the track gears. I am pretty sure a group of heavily armed civilians can take these things out especially since not all troops are trained for combat.
Thinking that the 2nd amendment and its intent doesn't apply to today is lunacy.
Yet as advanced as our military they are still in Iraq and still in Afghanistan.
Read the thread. This is already addressed.
Want to tell me how automatic weapons can deal with thermobaric long range weapons?
You can't overthrow a superiorly armed enemy that is entrenched without at some point moving to conventional warfare. As much as the US sucked in Vietnam, every time the Communists tried conventional combat they got annihilated. Only after the US left and the North turned to conventional did the South fall. Harassing does not equate to overthrow.
That's because we choose too.
Furthermore, have the governments been overthrown there? No
No. These are war weapons, not recreational or self-defense weapons. If you permit AK-47s and M-16s, why not permit people to build their own explosives? Make their own tear gas?
If a compromise is really necessary, I'd say people should have to be at least 25 and undergo a background check and additionally something along the lines of a character and fitness exam.
Honestly, if you need an AK to hunt......you're a pretty ****** hunter. Spray and pray anyone?
Furthermore, an AK is really not the best defense weapon in close quarters. You're better off buying a civilian P90. Compact, light, sufficient stopping power against non-armored opponents, easy to sight, easy to shoot.
Obviously, you have no experience of firearms.
Ak-47s are normal assault rifles, they are selective fire (meaning the modes semi-automatic and full automatic are changeable and selectable)
M-16s are likewise, mostly selective fire
Want to tell me how civilians owning automatic weapons will stop a tank division backed with air support? The notion that the 2nd amendment exists today to allow us to overthrow the government is lunacy is context of what the military actually has these days. Thermobaric weapons easily could wipe out a huge number of civilians with automatic weapons before they even knew what hit them.
If you gave civilians the right to own fully automatic weapons, more innocent police would start dieing in droves.
I will also add, if you are so paranoid that you need a fully automatic assault rifle to defend yourself, I don't want you to have a gun.
Yes, of course.
There's no doubt about that, but in terms of destroying a homegrown insurgent force that actually gives a **** about its families, you attack their homes and families. That really doesn't work against Islamists though.
My main issue is with the idea that we can absolve ourselves of watching over our government to ensure it doesn't get corrupt on the basis that we can always overthrow it via force. It's kind of like thinking that 500 pounds of cure is a superior choice to 1 nano-gram of prevention. It's clearly the superior choice to ensure that our government doesn't get that corrupt by ensure the people are a check on it in its various processes. But the whole "guns are needed to overthrow the corrupt government" just seems to toss that out the window.
But that's not what the topic is. Using an AK in automatic is a sign of a real bad hunter.
Nah. Baseball bat. No need to reload. Plus it's a perfect ambush weapon.
I will also add, if you are so paranoid that you need a fully automatic assault rifle to defend yourself, I don't want you to have a gun.
Want to tell me how civilians owning automatic weapons will stop a tank division backed with air support? The notion that the 2nd amendment exists today to allow us to overthrow the government is lunacy is context of what the military actually has these days. Thermobaric weapons easily could wipe out a huge number of civilians with automatic weapons before they even knew what hit them.
No. These are war weapons, not recreational or self-defense weapons. If you permit AK-47s and M-16s, why not permit people to build their own explosives? Make their own tear gas?
If a compromise is really necessary, I'd say people should have to be at least 25 and undergo a background check and additionally something along the lines of a character and fitness exam.
There's no doubt about that, but in terms of destroying a homegrown insurgent force that actually gives a **** about its families, you attack their homes and families. That really doesn't work against Islamists though.
Well, they aren't really civilians then are they? Furthermore, the actual chance of this is pretty much nil. If the Russians couldn't even shoot their own protestors during the Yeltsin Coup, American troops will not either. Hell, if Egyptian forces couldn't bring themselves down to mow down revolutionaries, this whole point of using civilian firearms to overthrow the government is moot as there won't be people to defend the government.
Some men perhaps.
My main issue is with the idea that we can absolve ourselves of watching over our government to ensure it doesn't get corrupt on the basis that we can always overthrow it via force. It's kind of like thinking that 500 pounds of cure is a superior choice to 1 nano-gram of prevention. It's clearly the superior choice to ensure that our government doesn't get that corrupt by ensure the people are a check on it in its various processes. But the whole "guns are needed to overthrow the corrupt government" just seems to toss that out the window.
But that's not what the topic is. Using an AK in automatic is a sign of a real bad hunter.
Nah. Baseball bat. No need to reload. Plus it's a perfect ambush weapon.
If you gave civilians the right to own fully automatic weapons, more innocent police would start dieing in droves.
I will also add, if you are so paranoid that you need a fully automatic assault rifle to defend yourself, I don't want you to have a gun.
If you're so paranoid that you think you need to take my guns away to defend yourself, I don't want you to have a vote. See how that works?
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