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Say it ain't so, Sammy!

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I need to post a link to this eventually, but I got a text message from WBBM Channel 2 in Chicago saying that there is a report stating that Sammy Sosa tested positive for banned substances in 2003. I'm not totally surprised, the body just changed way too much--look at him when he was with the Sox in his younger days.

But he was a fun Cub. I loved the salute to right field.

But all of sudden he couldn't hit when they cracked down and then the press all turned on him. McGuire and Sosa both--dang!


UPDATE-WBBM is quoting their source as the NY Times:

NY Times: The New York Times > Log In

WBBM: Report: Sosa Tested Positive For Banned Substance - cbs2chicago.com
 
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It's long been suspected, and it saddens me as I remember the pleasure I took watching him. I used to love his attitude, and it is too bad he too probably used steroids.
 
Its almost impossible to play 162 games a season, year after year, and not stay injured.... Unless you juice:mrgreen:

I am not really bothered by the names. If 104 players were juicing, i have very little doubt a strong segment was represented by pitchers. Release More Names!!!!!!!
 
I feel conflicted with Sammy and Mac.

Yes, the steroids is bad. However...I honestly wonder where Baseball would be right now if we didn't have those few years of them battling for the record. Baseball was in a massive decline and slump at that time, with low interest all over and coming off of a strike. It was relegated probably as the 3rd sport of the big three. The homerun race revigorated baseball, brought a new generation of fans to it, and basically ressurected the game back into the publics minds eye as a relevant and important sport.

In a way....could steroids have possibly saved Baseball's relevancy?
 
Well......

Maybe there will be a new generation of natural stars.... (but whatever they do, or ingest, will be highly scrutinized).
 
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Actually I love baseball and I know the opinion is that steroids have screwed up the history of the game by overinflating the statistics. But I cannot fault players for doing anything that will make them better at the game. Healthwise, these players have so much more knowledge that guys like Babe Ruth or even Hank Aaron didn't have. Shoot, at one point all games were day games.

If we're honest, we gotta admit we love the longball. Don't forget they changed the elevation of the mound after the 60's in which guys like Gibson and Drysdale had ERA's in the ones. Pitching duals are nice once in awhile, but a 10-9 game is more exciting than a 1-0. Guys like McGwuire and Sosa were entertaining and made us pay attention to the game.

So I really don't blame Sammy. These guys both should be in the Hall of Fame. Clemens should be too, even if he is an a@@hole. Baseball cracked down on the steroids as they should, but as long as players could get away with it, I can't blame them. And yes, baseball players are athletes in different ways than other sports. Their 162 game schedules are the longest of any of the major sports.
 
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Actually I love baseball and I know the opinion is that steroids have screwed up the history of the game by overinflating the statistics. But I cannot fault players for doing anything that will make them better at the game. Healthwise, these players have so much more knowledge that guys like Babe Ruth or even Hank Aaron didn't have. Shoot, at one point all games were day games.

If we're honest, we gotta admit we love the longball. Don't forget they changed the elevation of the mound after the 60's in which guys like Gibson and Drysdale had ERA's in the ones. Pitching duals are nice once in awhile, but a 10-9 game is more exciting than a 1-0. Guys like McGwuire and Sosa were entertaining and made us pay attention to the game.

So I really don't blame Sammy. These guys both should be in the Hall of Fame. Clemens should be too, even if he is an a@@hole. Baseball cracked down on the steroids as they should, but as long as players could get away with it, I can't blame them. And yes, baseball players are athletes in different ways than other sports. Their 162 game schedules are the longest of any of the major sports.

That is actually a pretty good point. The big fault was not setting out clear rules. I still don't like that players did it. As a wrestling fan, I remember too well what steroids can contribute too, and see regularly the effects of people who used too much of them. The number of wrestlers who have died under 50 in the last 10 years is staggering.
 
Actually I love baseball and I know the opinion is that steroids have screwed up the history of the game by overinflating the statistics. But I cannot fault players for doing anything that will make them better at the game.
I can. And I do. Juicing-up is a form of cheating and gaining an unfair advantage abnormally. It's no more harmless than a hitter corking a bat or a pitcher using his belt buckle to cut a ball. In each case, an alteration is purposefully employed which is intended to skew the results.
 
I can. And I do. Juicing-up is a form of cheating and gaining an unfair advantage abnormally. It's no more harmless than a hitter corking a bat or a pitcher using his belt buckle to cut a ball. In each case, an alteration is purposefully employed which is intended to skew the results.

Your point is inarguable.
 
Actually I love baseball and I know the opinion is that steroids have screwed up the history of the game by overinflating the statistics. But I cannot fault players for doing anything that will make them better at the game. Healthwise, these players have so much more knowledge that guys like Babe Ruth or even Hank Aaron didn't have. Shoot, at one point all games were day games.

If we're honest, we gotta admit we love the longball. Don't forget they changed the elevation of the mound after the 60's in which guys like Gibson and Drysdale had ERA's in the ones. Pitching duals are nice once in awhile, but a 10-9 game is more exciting than a 1-0. Guys like McGwuire and Sosa were entertaining and made us pay attention to the game.

So I really don't blame Sammy. These guys both should be in the Hall of Fame. Clemens should be too, even if he is an a@@hole. Baseball cracked down on the steroids as they should, but as long as players could get away with it, I can't blame them. And yes, baseball players are athletes in different ways than other sports. Their 162 game schedules are the longest of any of the major sports.

I remember listening to a game between the Giants and I think it was the Cards when I was young. Must have been 67 or 68. Gaylord Perry fired a no hitter at the Cards, only to have the Card's pitcher come back with a no hitter agains the Giants the next day.

That might have been the year a sub .300 average led the league in hitting.
 
I remember Mark "The Bird" Fidrytch(may he rest in peace). That is what baseball needs, good personalities. Big numbers are nice and all, but personality wins over numbers. Most popular player in Detroit this season is Brandon Inge, who is a .250 career hitter, but he has a wonderful personality.
 
The Chicago Sun-Times had this story on the front page today. Whew, I forgot about the corked bat incident and his testimony when he claimed he couldn't hardly understand english.



They ran a nice big Ozzie Guillen quote:

"Surprised? Not any more... Every time someone says 'I'm clean', the next bleeping day their name's in the paper."
 
I published the juice-list in this forum in December of 2007. It is taken from the Mitchell Report to Congress.

MITCHELL REPORT LIST OF NAMES
December 13, 2007

The following players were connected to steroids, either use or possession, in the report:

Chad Allen
Mike Bell
Gary Bennett
Larry Bigbie
Ricky Bones
Kevin Brown
Ken Caminiti
Mark Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Paxton Crawford
Jack Cust
Brendan Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
Matt Franco
Ryan Franklin
Eric Gagne
Jason Grimsley
Jerry Hairston
Phil Hiatt
Matt Herges
Glenallen Hill
Todd Hundley
Ryan Jorgensen
Wally Joyner
Mike Judd
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Exavier “Nook” Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Parque
Luis Perez
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Stephen Randolph
Adam Riggs
Brian Roberts
F.P. Santangelo
David Segui
Mike Stanton
Ricky Stone
Miguel Tejada
Derrick Turnbow
Mo Vaughn
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Todd Williams
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun

The following players were cited under “Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball” in the report:

Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

The following players were linked through BALCO in the report:

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde

Source: Detroit Free Press
http://www.debatepolitics.com/sports-talk/26196-mitchell-report-player-list.html#post1057483771
 
Actually I love baseball and I know the opinion is that steroids have screwed up the history of the game by overinflating the statistics. But I cannot fault players for doing anything that will make them better at the game. Healthwise, these players have so much more knowledge that guys like Babe Ruth or even Hank Aaron didn't have. Shoot, at one point all games were day games.

Actually, I used to love baseball until it screwed itself up. Cheating is cheating, it's that simple. Is this what sport has become??? Gouge the fan to pay players incredibly inflated salaries, that inadvertently pressures player to juice so they can make the big bucks. I think Mickey just rolled over.

Tell me, if you had a kid that was good enough to make it to the bigs, would you be okay with him juicing? And really, they all pretty much do. And speaking of health, are you aware of the health consequences of using? You could ask Florence Griffiths-Joyner if she was still alive.



If we're honest, we gotta admit we love the longball. Don't forget they changed the elevation of the mound after the 60's in which guys like Gibson and Drysdale had ERA's in the ones. Pitching duals are nice once in awhile, but a 10-9 game is more exciting than a 1-0. Guys like McGwuire and Sosa were entertaining and made us pay attention to the game.

You betcha. After all, we the fan--that pay a ****load of money for tickets and $8 hotdogs--deserve juiced up entertainment, eh! Or, why not make changes to the equipment/fields rather than continuing to allow players to juice themselves? Decisions, decisions...

So I really don't blame Sammy. These guys both should be in the Hall of Fame. Clemens should be too, even if he is an a@@hole. Baseball cracked down on the steroids as they should, but as long as players could get away with it, I can't blame them. And yes, baseball players are athletes in different ways than other sports. Their 162 game schedules are the longest of any of the major sports.

While I do agree that MLB should carry the most of the blame, all of the cheaters should not even be considered one iota for the HoF, IMO. What kind of example does that show to kids? Good Lord, now DiMaggio just rolled over, too.
 
Actually, I used to love baseball until it screwed itself up. Cheating is cheating, it's that simple. Is this what sport has become??? Gouge the fan to pay players incredibly inflated salaries, that inadvertently pressures player to juice so they can make the big bucks. I think Mickey just rolled over.

I sitll love baseball, but mostly for the personalities. I am fortunate being a fan of the Tigers, we have Granderson and Inge, high quality community type people who love to emphasize how blessed they are to be able to play a game for a living, and spend their free time trying to give back to the city.
 
I sitll love baseball, but mostly for the personalities. I am fortunate being a fan of the Tigers, we have Granderson and Inge, high quality community type people who love to emphasize how blessed they are to be able to play a game for a living, and spend their free time trying to give back to the city.

The game in it's pure form, is a thing of beauty. I doubt the players in "Field of Dreams" were juiced in any way. :2razz:
 
I need to post a link to this eventually, but I got a text message from WBBM Channel 2 in Chicago saying that there is a report stating that Sammy Sosa tested positive for banned substances in 2003. I'm not totally surprised, the body just changed way too much--look at him when he was with the Sox in his younger days.

But he was a fun Cub. I loved the salute to right field.

But all of sudden he couldn't hit when they cracked down and then the press all turned on him. McGuire and Sosa both--dang!


UPDATE-WBBM is quoting their source as the NY Times:

NY Times: The New York Times > Log In

WBBM: Report: Sosa Tested Positive For Banned Substance - cbs2chicago.com

Sammy Sosa is a lame-ass douche (I'm a Cubs fan, by the way). Ban him, and anyone else caught using steroids, from baseball.
 
I'm a Sox fan so I say the Cubs should bring him back as the team ambassador. :2razz:

Q: You know how many Sox fans there are? A: It varies proportionally with the population of Mt. Greenwood.

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Q: You know how many Sox fans there are? A: It varies proportionally with the population of Mt. Greenwood.

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Wrigley seat 41000+ people and by the seventh inning it's been proven that one or two of them might actually know the score of the game.

Usually they are fans of the other team, though.
 
Wrigley seat 41000+ people and by the seventh inning it's been proven that one or two of them might actually know the score of the game.

Usually they are fans of the other team, though.

I'm down here in Louisville, but I moved from Chicago a few years ago and I grew up on the Western side of Illinois. I was a Cardinals fan, but then became a Sox fan about 30 years ago when Bill Veeck took back over the team and I moved to Chicagoland.

I miss old Comiskey Park (I was back at the "Cell" last year and was there for bring back Carlton Fisk Night--my favorite Sox player.)

I think Sox fans are real baseball fans, but I've been to both ballparks and the women are more attractive at Wrigley and they got a great neighborhood for after game festivities. Anybody ever been to the Wild Hare? :2razz:
 
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