YoungConserv
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Where else do we let the criminal keep the goal of their law breaking? If 11 million people robbed a bank would we throw up our hands and say there are to many to inforce the law and make a path to pardon that allowed them to keep the money? No! Then why are we doing this with imigration.
Where else do we let the criminal keep the goal of their law breaking? If 11 million people robbed a bank would we throw up our hands and say there are to many to inforce the law and make a path to pardon that allowed them to keep the money? No! Then why are we doing this with imigration.
Where else do we let the criminal keep the goal of their law breaking? If 11 million people robbed a bank would we throw up our hands and say there are to many to inforce the law and make a path to pardon that allowed them to keep the money? No! Then why are we doing this with imigration.
Where else do we let the criminal keep the goal of their law breaking? If 11 million people robbed a bank would we throw up our hands and say there are to many to inforce the law and make a path to pardon that allowed them to keep the money? No! Then why are we doing this with imigration.
Let's be honest. Coming to the USA illegally or overstaying your vacation or work visa simply so you could have a better life for you and your family in the United States, isn't the worst crime in the world.
Let's be honest. Coming to the USA illegally or overstaying your vacation or work visa simply so you could have a better life for you and your family in the United States, isn't the worst crime in the world.
There have been many times in history when the laws have been unjust and unethical/wrong when we have rewarded the "law breakers" by changing laws. Because some laws need challenging.
I find it interesting how many people against immigration reform like to dehumanize the people we are talking about. Undocumented workers are committing a crime by coming into the country without proper documentation, however, they are no more "criminals" than someone who speeds to work every day or someone who jaywalks or otherwise commits some other minor infraction of a law. A "criminal" in common speech is a person who has a history of being engaged in law breaking behavior, who wontonly breaks laws as a matter of practice, think burglar, tax evader, domestic abuser, people with a criminal record of behaviors.
Martin Luther King Jr. in Letter from a Birmingham jail said that:
"One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
so, crossing a border without declaring one's self to Border Patrol (1), staying in the country without registering with Immigration (2) obtaining forged documents (3) finding an employer to accept those documents (4) obtaining assistance (5 but not necessarily applicable to all) without any of the preceeding, and for some, assisting other family members to do the same (6)and continuing such practices, for some, for many years, possibly decades.
Now, about that definition of 'criminal'.....
so, crossing a border without declaring one's self to Border Patrol (1), staying in the country without registering with Immigration (2) obtaining forged documents (3) finding an employer to accept those documents (4) obtaining assistance (5 but not necessarily applicable to all) without any of the preceeding, and for some, assisting other family members to do the same (6)and continuing such practices, for some, for many years, possibly decades.
Now, about that definition of 'criminal'.....
Most of our ancestors came here in a time where there pretty much was no such thing as an "illegal immigrant".
You show up at Ellis Island, welcome to America.
Now we've added all sorts of rules and regulations that no one had to deal with until 1928.
I have some who were here long before Ellis Island, I have some who came through Ellis Island. They abided by the laws of the time, just as these people should be doing, be they come from the South, the North, the East or the West.
So for the people who came here legally, after applying for a Visa, filing all sorts of paperwork, registering with immigration, abiding by the rules, paying taxes, and taking an oath of citizenship is worth nothing.
I'm sorry, but that just doesn't fly
Again, when the law is unjust, it warrants breaking. The law currently is poorly written, unreasonable and makes citizenship nearly impossible for many people. ITINs are not "forged documents" they are legitimate taxpayer identification numbers issued by the IRS for the purpose of reporting income that many undocumented workers use to get jobs, buy houses and cars,etc.
I agree that there should be consequences for coming here and or staying here illegally.
They should pay a fine. They should pay back taxes. They should be required to learn English.
They should go to the back of the line for naturalization applications.
It is not an unjust law.
See my reply to Kanstantine.
The business owners who hired and pay these people are the real criminals. Arrest them.
I takes two to tango.The traitorous scum for hiring illegals and the illegals for coming/staying here illegal.Actually in the case of illegal immigration its three, traitorous scum in office who cater to these illegals and the scum that hiring and or aid them.
Where else do we let the criminal keep the goal of their law breaking? If 11 million people robbed a bank would we throw up our hands and say there are to many to inforce the law and make a path to pardon that allowed them to keep the money? No! Then why are we doing this with imigration.
What do you mean by intentionally? Not perform any background checks.Ignore all the warning signs(for example the applicant claiming to be a US citizen even though he or she speaks no English)When they do it intentionally,I agree about employers. Or when they recruit people to come here illegally.
However,at the end of the day it is the governments's responsibility to enforce the law.
Let's be honest. Coming to the USA illegally or overstaying your vacation or work visa simply so you could have a better life for you and your family in the United States, isn't the worst crime in the world.
Bankers robbed us and weren't arrested. So the analogy doesn't hold up well (pun intended). We do reward the criminals, sometimes, depending on quality and quantity.
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