Revolution in the US?

[Khayembii Communique]

It would be hypocritical to condemn the TEA party as being crazy and violent but then turn right around and advocate for violent revolution.

No it's not, because one isn't arguing against violence in general but rather the Tea Party's specific craziness/violence. Your statement is dumb because it's quite obvious that socialists aren't pacifists.

 

[X Factor]

No it's not, because one isn't arguing against violence in general but rather the Tea Party's specific craziness/violence.

One cannot credibly condemn the TEA party by claiming they're being violent then turn around and advocate for violence just because they agree with the political ideology.

Your statement is dumb because it's quite obvious that socialists aren't pacifists.

I don't disagree with this but it's a non-sequitur. If a socialist believes in using violence to get what they want, to be consistent, they'd have to recognize that people who disagree with them would be just as justified using violent means. Either you condemn violence from everybody or nobody at all.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

One cannot credibly condemn the TEA party by claiming they're being violent then turn around and advocate for violence just because they agree with the political ideology.

Yes, of course we can, based entirely on the fact that their violence would be used to further their political ideology.

If a socialist believes in using violence to get what they want, to be consistent, they'd have to recognize that people who disagree with them would be just as justified using violent means. Either you condemn violence from everybody or nobody at all.

Everyone always condemns the violence of their opponents so I'm not sure why you think this is an all-or-nothing thing.

 

[ecofarm]

They don't think personal gun ownership is good (let alone fundamental) for human rights, and thus they oppose it. We don't think red revolution is good for human rights, let's ignore it. As many people mature each day as become hysterical fringe lefties. It's not like their number is significant or increasing. I really think they can be safely ignored at this point in history.

 

[X Factor]

Yes, of course we can, based entirely on the fact that their violence would be used to further their political ideology.

What I'm saying is that anyone who condemns the TEA party for the reason that they're supposedly violent, would be hypocritical to excuse or advocate violence just because it was used by someone with whom they happen to agree.

Everyone always condemns the violence of their opponents so I'm not sure why you think this is an all-or-nothing thing.

I'm talking about people who claim to oppose violence itself. See now?

 

[BayToBay]

1 in 6 Americans live below the poverty line.

That stat merely tells us about income inequality within our nation. Use international measure of poverty and we don't even register (i.e., <2%).

Nearly 1/5 of the population has no health insurance whatsoever. Total household debt at the end of Q1 was $11.5 trillion (about $40,000 per person).

And as of 2009 total net worth was 54.2 trillion.

There are areas of the US that are worse off than sub-Saharan Africa on issues like child mortality.

Another relative stat. Child mortality rates are improving in every region of the world.

The sky is not falling.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I'm sure he knows that. Don't bother trying to actually debate Ecofarm. If you feed the trolls, they win.

You think I'm a troll? Ok, then, you're a chicken little and a pseudo-commie because you're ignorant. One is not leading to the other. Both are the result of you.

You're in highschool, right?

Moderator's Warning:

The both of you, knock it off.

 

[BayToBay]

So everyone who wants to get rid of capitalism is stupid?(That seems to be what is meant by revolution.)

That is not what revolution means.

Tell me where does this quote come from:
If you don't know, then try googling "why socialism" and see what comes up.

Not an economist. It is not relevant since I did not say that socialist were stupid.

 

[Graffias]

Most Americans don't even bother to vote. I seriously doubt anything approaching a revolution will happen in this country. Most people are happy being mindless cogs in the machine as long as they have their little distractions like football, celebrity gossip, and video games. I almost envy the baby boomer generation. At least some of them questioned authority when they were growing up. Young people today seem content eating from the **** platter that is served to them by this dysfunctional society.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Look at what happened in the Middle East. The revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt were over so fast, the rest of the world was still running to turn on the TV. It can happen here just as easily.

Again, the hype and the illogical comparison.
Tunisia and Egypt both had large youth populations, political instability, mass poverty, mass unemployment, and the countries are tiny compared to the US.
/sigh.

 

[Snevert]

Most Americans don't even bother to vote. I seriously doubt anything approaching a revolution will happen in this country. Most people are happy being mindless cogs in the machine as long as they have their little distractions like football, celebrity gossip, and video games. I almost envy the baby boomer generation. At least some of them questioned authority when they were growing up. Young people today seem content eating from the **** platter that is served to them by this dysfunctional society.

Most kids these days can name more Lady Gaga songs than US Presidents. Any revolution is surely doomed.

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

Most kids these days can name more Lady Gaga songs than US Presidents. Any revolution is surely doomed.

Excellent point. Kids these days are accustomed to having a posh, spoon-fed, comfortable life without any whatsoever knowledge of the outside world. All they know are celebrities, sports, and the opposite gender.

As for those advocating revolution, wake up. The US isn't crumbling any time soon, a revolution would be impossible in current society, and the comparisons to Tunisia/Egypt/13 colonies, etc... are full of crap. Sure, the US might face a revolution, but not in a few years or decades, but a few centuries or perhaps never at all. The users advocating revolution almost sounds like the media talking heads, full of hype.

 

[atrasicarius]

Most kids these days can name more Lady Gaga songs than US Presidents. Any revolution is surely doomed.

I explained earlier why this is the case. Most kids in the US just take it for granted that the political system is completely ****ed. They don't pay attention to it because they've accepted that nothing they can do will make any difference, and they're right. That doesn't mean they're not pissed off, though. Even if they don't know who's speaker of the house right now, they know they're being screwed over.

 

[VanceMack]

I think you'd be surprised, man. Look at England. We'll catch on eventually, and when we do, it'll be even nastier than it was over there.

Look at England? A bunch of spoiled little ****s using a shootout between cops and a thug as an excuse to act like a bunch of...well...hockey fans. Wowzers...you say you want a revolution...

 

[atrasicarius]

Again, the hype and the illogical comparison.
Tunisia and Egypt both had large youth populations Got it, political instability Got it, mass poverty Working on it, mass unemployment Working on it, and the countries are tiny compared to the US True, but less important in the digital age.
/sigh.

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[VanceMack]

Jesus, cut the dramatics, Judy Garland. The world is not crumbling around us. This isn't Animal Farm.

These guys sound like Walker and Texas Ranger from Talladega Nights..."Anarchy Anarchy! I dont know what it means but I love it!!"

 

[LaughAtTheWorld]

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Oh, so Facebook and Twitter can transport people into diffferent places to fight the government?
Face it man, you may want a revolution to have your socialist dream, but the US is still a long way from having one.
As RStringfield showed in post 81, the US doesn't have mass poverty, the political system is very stable (despite what those whiners always whine about, the US political system is still one of the best in the world. Just take a trip to socialist North Korea, then talk).

 

[atrasicarius]

Oh, so Facebook and Twitter can transport people into diffferent places to fight the government?
Face it man, you may want a revolution to have your socialist dream, but the US is still a long way from having one.
As RStringfield showed in post 81, the US doesn't have mass poverty, the political system is very stable (despite what those whiners always whine about, the US political system is still one of the best in the world. Just take a trip to socialist North Korea, then talk).

As I said, we're working on the mass poverty bit. Give it another 4 or 5 years. As for the political situation, it's different than it is in a place like Egypt, but that doesn't mean it's not seriously flawed. The political process has become entirely deadlocked. Nothing of any real worth can get passed without an enormous political cat fight. The economic situation might still be salvageable if the government was actually capable of doing something, but they can't, so it's not.

 

[Goshin]

As I said, we're working on the mass poverty bit. Give it another 4 or 5 years. As for the political situation, it's different than it is in a place like Egypt, but that doesn't mean it's not seriously flawed. The political process has become entirely deadlocked. Nothing of any real worth can get passed without an enormous political cat fight. The economic situation might still be salvageable if the government was actually capable of doing something, but they can't, so it's not.

Possibly. We'll have to wait and see; yeah there is a chance things could go flush in a big way.

BUT... I've seen so many crises come and go, so many hysterical predictions of doom, of so many varieties that I'm skeptical. It takes a lot to panic me these days.

This is an old story being recycled to me; I've seen it before. It seems unique to you because this is your first rodeo.

 

[Jetboogieman]

If there is to be a coming revolution, this shall be the patriotic chariots!

 

[tessaesque]

As I said, we're working on the mass poverty bit. Give it another 4 or 5 years. As for the political situation, it's different than it is in a place like Egypt, but that doesn't mean it's not seriously flawed. The political process has become entirely deadlocked. Nothing of any real worth can get passed without an enormous political cat fight. The economic situation might still be salvageable if the government was actually capable of doing something, but they can't, so it's not.

When you're wrong I'd like you to come back here and eat a big bowl of crow. You've either been brain washed, or you have a serious case of the "omg, look at me" disease. This hyperbolic nonsense and doom and gloom exaggeration are doing nothing at all to convince people that you have any idea what you're talking about.

Some people are having a rougher time than they've ever known in this country right now. They still live better than 70-80% of the rest of the world. Utopia will not exist. Ever. Your best bet would be to build a commune on some unclaimed island, declare yourself dictator, and perform the world's most ludicrous social experiment by running that little island exactly as you think this country should be run. When you fail, let us know.

 

[ecofarm]

The iron chariots of Babylon.

But he has a point. With something like 50% obesity rate (leaving what, another 30% fat?), exactly how will they rise up. Given the population, do the math... the revolution would be few people. They could make roadblocks and stuff, I guess.

build a commune on some unclaimed island...

Pacific garbage flotilla is mine. I called it a long time ago.

 

[tessaesque]

The iron chariots of Babylon.

But he has a point. With something like 50% obesity rate (leaving what, another 30% fat?), exactly how will they rise up. Given the population, do the math... the revolution would be few people. They could make roadblocks and stuff, I guess.

"I'm gonna eat ya! Get in my belly!"

 

[ecofarm]

"I'm gonna eat ya! Get in my belly!"

They move slow, like zombies, and eat 'brains'. uh oh.

 

[jambalaya]

Given the current circumstances in the United States, it seems quite reasonable that the American people are upset with the government. With the country in extreme amounts of debt and a struggling market, things aren’t looking good. The world has given us examples of the next generation going out and overthrowing the government to institute a more just and helpful government for its people. What is to say that the young people of the United States couldn’t do the same? The task might not be easy, but neither was the first revolution of this great country. I would like to open it to debate. How do people feel about revolting from the current government and instituting a new one? Can it even be done with a country this size? Would we get invaded? Or would we succeed and be able to wipe away all our debts to the Chinese and finally have a stable growing country again. Its been a long time America, but now is your time.

What other country where there has been some insurrection against the government would you compare the U.S. to?