Reuters: It Wasn't an Insurrection After All- Just a "Mostly Peaceful Protest

[eohrnberger]

None of those terror attacks specifically targeted the seat of democracy and the democratic process. They only sought to harm people not overturn an election. BLM riots were just legitimate protests that got out of control and a few windows got broken.

Well, a little more than just that, when blocks of local businesses got looted and torched.

The perps in each case got charged appropriately.

Meh. Seems not so much.

Almost Half of Federal Cases Against Portland Rioters Have ...​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...tland-rioters-have-been-dismissed/ar-BB1fGKGS​

Federal prosecutors in Portland, Ore., have moved to dismiss almost half the cases they charged in connection with violence accompanying last year's protests over racial injustice, as authorities...​

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Judge dismisses 39 cases against 28 Black Lives Matter ...​

https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-dismisses-black-lives-matter-protesters-detroit​

A Detroit judge dismissed charges against 28 Black Lives Matter protesters arrested during anti-police demonstrations last summer, according to reports. District Judge Larry Williams Jr. dismissed ...​

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Assault charge dismissed in BLM protest, but prosecutor ...​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...utor-backs-cops-for-making-arrest/ar-BB19ExCq​

SEASIDE HEIGHTS - Officials are dismissing a simple assault charge against a leader of the Black Lives Matter movement stemming from a protest in August, although they said the officers had...​

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Most Portland rioters have their cases dismissed - HotAir​

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/05/04/most-portland-rioters-have-their-cases-dismissed-n387625​

Between May 25 and Oct. 7, the U.S. Attorney's Office in Oregon filed federal charges against 97 people connected to the Portland unrest. Since then 58 of those cases have either been dismissed outright or are on track for dismissal through a deferred resolution agreement.​

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Hundreds of NYC rioters, looters have charges dropped​

https://nypost.com/2021/06/20/hundreds-of-nyc-rioters-looters-have-charges-dropped/​

Jun 20, 2021Hundreds of alleged looters and rioters busted last year in protests over George Floyd's murder by police have had their charges dropped, according to NYPD data — figures ripped as "disgusting" by...​

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This is why I said the charges speak for themselves because many of those at the Capitol riot are being charged with interfering with the election in addition to breaking windows, assaulting cops and shitting on the carpet. That shows a different kind of sinister intent.

I'd question if it shows a 'sinister intent' at all. Seems more like a protest which got out of hand the moment the capitol security barrier was breached. When that capitol security barrier was breached, those that breached it were immediately in the wrong.

 

[george48]

Mostly peaceful protest?

Let's see now .... 5 dead, 144 police injured, $1.5 million in Capitol damages, and 540 arrests (more to come).

Your view of "peaceful" is very different than the view of most Americans.

yes you are right...

as if this even debatable...

this was a dark day

lunatic trump encouraged other lunatics "to fight like hell" confront the "weak republicans" whilst for months undermining democracy by claiming he won...

this is despicable (but not criminal most likely...)

but most certainly morally unconscionable by the asshole named Trump

 

[uptower]

I'd question if it shows a 'sinister intent' at all. Seems more like a protest which got out of hand the moment the capitol security barrier was breached. When that capitol security barrier was breached, those that breached it were immediately in the wrong.

The charges - such as attempting to disrupt legislative proceedings - suggest a greater purpose than that.

 

[eohrnberger]

The charges - such as attempting to disrupt legislative proceedings - suggest a greater purpose than that.

A suggestion of a greater purpose which has not been borne out.

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The office of the United States attorney for the District of Columbia has a “Sedition Task Force” focused on the January 6 riot . . . but it doesn’t have a sedition case.​

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Federal prosecutors haven’t charged any terrorism offenses, but, as a rationale for denying one defendant bail, they are trying to convince a skeptical federal judge that by damaging a doorway in forcing her way into the Capitol — a crime often treated as a misdemeanor, and for which the maximum sentence is just ten years — she committed a “crime of terrorism.”​

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Let’s be real. With due respect to Attorney General Merrick Garland, the Capitol melee is by no stretch of the imagination the greatest threat to our democracy in living memory. It is not 9/11. It is not the Boston Marathon bombing. Indeed, the June 14, 2017, Washington baseball field shooting spree, in which a radical leftist tried to mass-murder much of the Republican congressional delegation, bore more hallmarks of a terrorist attack — albeit one that, like the deadly Black Lives Matter riots of last summer, the media-Democrat complex always remembers to forget.​

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What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us​

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.​

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, June 12, 2021​

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What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us | National Review

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.

www.nationalreview.com

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And

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Exclusive-FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated-sources​

By Mark Hosenball and Sarah N. Lynch 8/23/21​

Exclusive-FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated-sources

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.​

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Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.​

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"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."​

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Doesn't look like there was a 'greater purpose' at play during the 1/6 riots. A 'greater purpose' would require coordination, wouldn't it?

 

[Geoist]

What crimes do the indictments charging the folks define to have been done?

Taking an active role in a mob riot is inherently violent. It doesn't matter what the charges are.

 

[code1211]

I’m a grandmother and I was there that day. The capitol police they said to me, well, I don’t quite remember because it was so loud. But it was something like “please come in, Mike pence off that way” and I asked if he’d hold my noose while we took a selfie.

I just don’t understand all this brouhaha. we took the selfie. now he said to the gentleman next to me will you please wait until after the picture is taken and then you can brutally beat me, and I didn’t like that one bit because I thought that it would look much better if he were fatally injured or at least in excruciating pain when the picture was taken. that gives the picture more pizzazz don’t you think? now thank God he didn’t die because one of the thing is I wanted was to tag him on Facebook, because my friends will get such a kick out of that!

anyway define gentleman took this selfie well the nice officer held my news and then I took it back well they kicked the windows in. but very gently very gently. And well he wasn’t beaten too badly. I’m just glad the medias straightening this out because they are darn right that this was not organized, we heard Mr. Trump tell us to go over there and it was just a spur of the moment thing like when I get a craving for a grilled ham and cheese. Those are delicious don’t you think? It was very peaceful and Miss Pelosi‘s office. And let me tell you those gentlemen wrote one of the sweetest, kindest, warmest death threats I have ever seen. If that’s not peaceful I just don’t know what is seriously what is?

being arrested was just terrible and there was no need for it. I was just there because I’m so sick and tired of this democracy thing. These liberals think that winning an election gives you the right to be president and I don’t agree with that anymore I can’t. If we start letting liberals get elected just because we vote for them then we won’t have democracy at all! I’m just so thankful that we got those economic relief thingy checks in the mail so that I could get bailed out in time to come home and watch Downton Abbey and have a nice hot grilled ham and cheese.

in the selfie turned out so nice despite the blood on the camera lens. Gives it a little flavor you know

Post like this move me to hope that the new response buttons will contain something to indicate when a post is really stupid.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Post like this move me to hope that the new response buttons will contain something to indicate when a post is really stupid.

You'd better hope not lol. You're a Top Ten candidate.

 

[code1211]

1) She wasn't murdered. She was stopped during a riot to protect the lives of congress people. Her death was collatoral damage. So, stop lying right then and there.

George Floyd died resisting arrest. In my view, that was a murder. I could be wrong, but it sure seems like murder to me.

What a person is doing at the time they are murdered is only incidental to the event of murder.

George Floyd and Ashley Babbitt were both killed police officers who were performing duties on the job and were both the victims of those officers exercising very poor judgement.

I don't see any significant differences in the conditions of the use of force, the poor judgements or the outcomes.

What do you see as being different?

Derek Chauvin sentenced to 22.5 years for the murder of George Floyd

Prosecutors had asked that Chauvin receive 30 years in prison. His lawyer had sought probation.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[code1211]

Yes. The that traitor attacked her country and was a tyrant. Much like that military veteran Benedict Arnold.

She was involved in a demonstration aimed at moving elected representatives to arrive at a particular decision during a legally mandated, legal process.

You are out of touch with reality.

They were literally seeking a redress of grievances and were petitioning, clumsily, the government to provide it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

 

[code1211]

Taking an active role in a mob riot is inherently violent. It doesn't matter what the charges are.

There were 30,000 present.

Perhaps 600 will have been charged with the "Parading" sort of violation. A vastly lower number will have been charged with anything else.

I've seen various parades and NONE of them were violent.

In this definition, I could not find the descriptor: "Violent".

Can you?

Definition of PARADE

a public procession usually to mark a holiday or event; especially : one involving many different people or groups who travel down a street usually on foot or in vehicles (such as floats); a usually long series of people or things… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Luce]

You saw snap shot depictions of a vary small percent of what happened framed by the propagandists and edited to elicit a particular impression in the weak minded.

30,000 attendees.

1 Broken Window.

1 Scratched Door.

THINK!

This is a lie.

 

[Top Cat]

Just to expose the error with a bit more completeness than the one your propagandists have lied you into believing, here is another point of view:

It shows that your number of $30 Million is undermined by another number of $1.5 million. Both are outrageously over stated. Give me the $1.5 Million and I'll fix the window and the door and keep the balance of $1.499999 Million.

The two ridiculous numbers are separated by about 2 Thousand Percent. Pretty close by AntiDonald Standards. Both are outrageous acts of theft by our government from the treasury.

Capitol riot caused nearly $1.5 million in damage, federal prosecutors say

The Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol caused nearly $1.5 million in damage, federal prosecutors wrote in a plea agreement with a person involved in the riot.“Your client acknowledges that the riot …

thehill.com

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“Your client acknowledges that the riot that occurred on January 6,2021, caused as of May 17,2021, approximately $1,495,326.55 damage to the United States Capitol,” the plea letter in the case of Paul Hodgkins authored by Assistant U.S. Attorney Mona Sedky said.
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It is unclear what the almost $1.5 million in Hodgkin’s plea agreement covers. The spokesperson for the Architect of the Capitol told the Post that assessments of the damage done on Jan. 6 were given to the Justice Department.
<snip>

This is a lie.

And then some.

 

[poweRob]

She was involved in a demonstration aimed at moving elected representatives to arrive at a particular decision during a legally mandated, legal process.

You are out of touch with reality.

They were literally seeking a redress of grievances and were petitioning, clumsily, the government to provide it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

"Demonstration" is how you now frame violently breaking and entering into our congress while in the commission of their duty with aims to disrupt if not murder the Vice President, the Speaker of the House if not others. You hardly are the voice of reality or sanity on the issue. Your violent hero is a terrorist and a tyrant and a dead one because of it.

 

[poweRob]

This is a lie.

So is him rephrasing it as a "parade" and that parades aren't violent.

She was involved in a demonstration aimed at moving elected representatives to arrive at a particular decision during a legally mandated, legal process.

You are out of touch with reality.

They were literally seeking a redress of grievances and were petitioning, clumsily, the government to provide it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Because it was just them "peaceably" assembling.

He's showing how desperate people get when they stack their lies on top of lies.

 

[RAMOSS]

George Floyd died resisting arrest. In my view, that was a murder. I could be wrong, but it sure seems like murder to me.

What a person is doing at the time they are murdered is only incidental to the event of murder.

George Floyd and Ashley Babbitt were both killed police officers who were performing duties on the job and were both the victims of those officers exercising very poor judgement.

I don't see any significant differences in the conditions of the use of force, the poor judgements or the outcomes.

What do you see as being different?

Derek Chauvin sentenced to 22.5 years for the murder of George Floyd

Prosecutors had asked that Chauvin receive 30 years in prison. His lawyer had sought probation.

www.nbcnews.com

And, there you are mistaken. George Floyd was not resisting,and was totally subdued when a police officer kneeled on his neck.

 

[code1211]

You'd better hope not lol. You're a Top Ten candidate.

Could be that being misunderstood by the close minded is is what some regard as being unliked.

 

[code1211]

This is a lie.

Link?

It could be a lie. I accepted it as a fact when it was presented by a "hang 'em high" Never Trumper in this forum.

 

[code1211]

"Demonstration" is how you now frame violently breaking and entering into our congress while in the commission of their duty with aims to disrupt if not murder the Vice President, the Speaker of the House if not others. You hardly are the voice of reality or sanity on the issue. Your violent hero is a terrorist and a tyrant and a dead one because of it.

It was a mostly peaceful protest that was vastly more peaceful than the protests of the Summer of 2020 which were widely described as being mostly peaceful.

The First Amendment is intended to protect all speech, not just the speech that poweRob agrees with.

30,000 people were assembled. A very few did anything that was violent or objectionable.

"1st Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

 

[code1211]

So is him rephrasing it as a "parade" and that parades aren't violent.



Because it was just them "peaceably" assembling.

He's showing how desperate people get when they stack their lies on top of lies.

I am looking at the facts of the matter and drawing a conclusion.

You are starting with your conclusion given to you by the propagandists and then twisting the facts to support your bias and hate.

The only way to hold your conclusion is to not think at all.

 

[Luce]

Link?

It could be a lie. I accepted it as a fact when it was presented by a "hang 'em high" Never Trumper in this forum.

Tell me how there was one broken door and one broken window. I will cheerfully refute that. Nonstop. Forever.

 

[Luce]

I am looking at the facts of the matter and drawing a conclusion.

You are not.

 

[rahl]

George Floyd died resisting arrest. In my view, that was a murder. I could be wrong, but it sure seems like murder to me.

George Floyd was not resisting arrest. He was handcuffed, laying face down on the pavement and the officer kneeled on his neck for over 9 minutes until he was dead. That was murder.

Babbitt was shot while attempting to breach a barricaded room where congressmen were seeking safety from the violent mob, and ignoring the clear verbal commands of law enforcement to cease and desist further entry. She was justifiably shot, and should not have been the only one shot.

 

[rahl]

She was involved in a demonstration aimed at moving elected representatives to arrive at a particular decision during a legally mandated, legal process.

You are out of touch with reality.

They were literally seeking a redress of grievances and were petitioning, clumsily, the government to provide it.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

and went from being a perfectly valid and constitutional exercise of her rights, to an act of sedition as soon as she entered the capitol building unauthorized, trying to prevent the congressional certification of the vote.

 

[poweRob]

I am looking at the facts of the matter and drawing a conclusion.

You are starting with your conclusion given to you by the propagandists and then twisting the facts to support your bias and hate.

The only way to hold your conclusion is to not think at all.

Thing is, you have no facts. Just you saying "I have facts" and then posting extreme desperation. It's sad to see such patheticness but you've put it all on display.

 

[eohrnberger]

and went from being a perfectly valid and constitutional exercise of her rights, to an act of sedition as soon as she entered the capitol building unauthorized, trying to prevent the congressional certification of the vote.

Sedition? Then logically, there would be charges of sedition filed against those who breached the capitol security barrier, wouldn't there be?

The office of the United States attorney for the District of Columbia has a “Sedition Task Force” focused on the January 6 riot . . . but it doesn’t have a sedition case.​

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Federal prosecutors haven’t charged any terrorism offenses, but, as a rationale for denying one defendant bail, they are trying to convince a skeptical federal judge that by damaging a doorway in forcing her way into the Capitol — a crime often treated as a misdemeanor, and for which the maximum sentence is just ten years — she committed a “crime of terrorism.”​

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Let’s be real. With due respect to Attorney General Merrick Garland, the Capitol melee is by no stretch of the imagination the greatest threat to our democracy in living memory. It is not 9/11. It is not the Boston Marathon bombing. Indeed, the June 14, 2017, Washington baseball field shooting spree, in which a radical leftist tried to mass-murder much of the Republican congressional delegation, bore more hallmarks of a terrorist attack — albeit one that, like the deadly Black Lives Matter riots of last summer, the media-Democrat complex always remembers to forget.​

​

What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us​

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.​

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, June 12, 2021​

​

What the Capitol Riot Prosecutions Tell Us | National Review

The rioters will be punished appropriately, but not punished as if they were terrorists who were trying to overthrow the United States government.

www.nationalreview.com

Hmm. Nope. No charges of sedition. Stop exaggerating and engaging in hyperbole. The charges were, among others, trespassing, destruction of government property, disruption and obstruction of congress, and those are reasonable. Sedition is not.