Until I saw that cropped photo, I thought the whole affair was the result of a lot of pig-headed people in an ugly situation. But once I saw that cropped photo, I realized that it was entirely the fault of the pig-headed Israelis. But now that I saw the uncropped photo I realized it was entirely the fault of the pig-headed people on the ship.
Wow, it's just so freaking amazing the power of that one single photo. Totally changed my entire world view in re the ME. OMFG!
Or maybe not. Maybe I still think its all the result of a bunch of hardheaded morons on the other side of the planet.
Not it does not I admit that. Reuters should not have done it. But the credibility of the whistle blower and the motive is very much an issue here. It is not like Fox News is unbiased on this issue is it now...And that is what is the problem. This case is being blown out of proportions because it happens to fit in the Fox News view of that media are biased against Israel and that is rich coming for a news organisation that is biased FOR Israel and highly biased on all other fronts.
The point is there is no proof for ANY of the possible events and therefore putting a picture up that suggests one is a political move.Number one- there is a knife in a hand- no face shown. This isn't evidence against a particular individual. Number two- a stab-type wound in the lower abdomen isn't typical as the result of an accident. Accidental injuries that cause cuts tend to be on the periphery of the body, unless one falls on a sharp object and the trunk is pierced. I suppose the soldier may have "fallen" on the knife of whoever was holding it.
I am in no pain.Simon,
Why are you taking pains to stand in an illusory middle ground? There was nothing "moronic" about Israel's response. They were well within their rights to interdict and the soldiers responded to violence with violence. Israel was right and the flotilla was wrong.
I am in no pain.
From what I can tell, it takes two to tango. Remove either side and the issue goes away. It takes both the Israelis and the Palestinians being hard-headed to make a conflict over there.
People go back and forth about who has the right to what and the right to do what. Blah, blah, blah. You know what? All that talk about who's right hasn't helped one bit.
Perhaps Alexander will cut the knot sometime.
I am in no pain.
From what I can tell, it takes two to tango. Remove either side and the issue goes away. It takes both the Israelis and the Palestinians being hard-headed to make a conflict over there.
People go back and forth about who has the right to what and the right to do what. Blah, blah, blah. You know what? All that talk about who's right hasn't helped one bit.
Perhaps Alexander will cut the knot sometime.
You've been whooshed.
The point of that comment is that no on thought that. It's pretty obvious that the guy had takena beating.
It happens all the time, and Fox News does it constantly when it is not using wrong pictures, or false footage to prove its "facts". Hence, it is ironic like hell that Fox News is calling out Reuters like this. Just shows how biased Fox News is, by using any and all means to "prove" that the IDF is right and the activists are terrorists.. Fox News and facts are an oxymoron.
I know which side I am on as well. I am on the United States' side.It hasn't helped because one side is a peaceable liberal democracy and the other side is a group of religious extremists who are hellbent on exterminating the Jews. I know which side I'm on.
I don't think one actually requires a "side" to conclude that Reuters engaged in journalistic dishonesty here and then vigorously denied a nefarious motive.I know which side I am on as well. I am on the United States' side.
I don't think one actually requires a "side" to conclude that Reuters engaged in journalistic dishonesty here and then vigorously denied a nefarious motive.
Indeed, you don't have to be a surgeon to recognize a hack job.
Looking at the prone and bloodied soldier, it seems to me the aggression had already occurred. Don't know if it occurred with that particular knife. On the face of it, this is additional visual evidence that the activists did indeed have weapons which directly contradicts their position of being unarmed.That's true on Reuters.
I'm curious why the IHH website mentioned in post one put the original image up. The knife isn't held in an aggressive manner (i.e. holding it ready to stab) but seems held by the tip of the handle.
In all cases, I see specific people who tried to slip a fake photo in and were caught and fired by Reuters who 'fessed up immediately, apologized, and blacklisted the photographers and editors in question.
I'm failing to see the fault of Reuters, somebody they employed screwed up and they rectified the problem and came clean.
And nobody has yet answered me when I asked WHY Reuters would doctor the photo in the OP. What the motivation would be.
Except NO ONE has been able to tell us what that "ideology" is or provide any reason for why Reuters would intentionally crop a photo to make a point.It's not whether or not Reuters fired the people involved with the incidents questioned. It is the narrative they chose to follow. That never changed.
Because they as an organization they follow an ideology rather than sticking to the facts, and presenting those facts without bias, they harmed their credibility.
Prove it.The motivation is easy, they are aligned with liberal thinking, and causes, and agree with them.
A whole bunch of us got whooshed. That darn Boo set us all up.:lol:
I know which side I am on as well. I am on the United States' side.
Since it's so clear cut, perhaps we can have it all worked out before the half-hour episode is over.
No, it doesn't. But for me to reach that conclusion it require me to assume a great deal that is not in evidence. I haven't seen anything that contradicts the simpler explanation that the photo was centered on the victim and then cropped on all four sides. The victim is, imho, the most compelling element of the image.I don't think one actually requires a "side" to conclude that Reuters engaged in journalistic dishonesty here and then vigorously denied a nefarious motive.
Indeed, you don't have to be a surgeon to recognize a hack job.
Yet you STILL have to give us the "why." What on earth does Reuters have to gain by doing this intentionally?The point isn't to hide that the soldiers got a beat down from a mob of angry turks, the point is to hide the fact that these "humanitarian" scrubs were armed with Combat Knives.
I can think of ten thousand different uses for a knife beyond putting the pointy end into someone else.Why would a humanitarian need a Combat Knife?
Except when it happened, Reuters cracked down instantly on the people responsible, fired them, and apologized. If you're trying to subtly influence public opinion via Photoshop, apologizing and publically firing the responsible parties is a pretty crappy way to do it.The fact that Reuters has a history of not only cropping/editing photos that had no clear purpose (except to change opinion) in the past, and also that both times it fell on the same side of the same struggle against the same group (Israel) is not a ****ing coincidence.
Yet you STILL have to give us the "why." What on earth does Reuters have to gain by doing this intentionally?
I can think of ten thousand different uses for a knife beyond putting the pointy end into someone else.
That’s the point. They shouldn’t care, but obviously someone there does care and wants to influence the news, rather than objectively reporting it. The cropping offers absolutely nothing in the way of emphasizing anything about the soldier.And again, what in the name of fresh of holy **** does Reuters stand to gain from doing this? Why do they care?
Except when it happened, Reuters cracked down instantly on the people responsible, fired them, and apologized. If you're trying to subtly influence public opinion via Photoshop, apologizing and publically firing the responsible parties is a pretty crappy way to do it.
And again, what in the name of fresh of holy **** does Reuters stand to gain from doing this? Why do they care?
Ok, Reuters is not a villain in a bad B movie. Behaving like a dick in the real world generally requires some motivation. So unless you can show me what Reuters has to gain by "influencing" the media in this way, your theory is suspect.They don’t necessarily have to gain anything, but it could merely be that they want to influence news, rather than objectively reporting it. This is nothing new in the media.
Flatly un-true. I have used combat knives for a myriad of purposes. The last one I had was indispensable in the weld shop; the weight combined with the strength made it a wonderful tool.Sure. If you want to cook, you carry a Henckels or Forschner, if you want to clean your fingernails or pick your teeth, you carry a Swiss Army Knife. If you want to skin out a dead animal, you carry a skinning knife or a filet knife. Combat knives don’t have much for general use besides combat. Their shape and size make them impractical for much of anything else.
You cant even demonstrate it was deliberate nor can you provide any real reason for them to do it on purpose. You're so desperate to see a conspiracy that you're standing there pouting because we wont accept "Well, they did it 'cause they COULD!"That’s the point. They shouldn’t care, but obviously someone there does care and wants to influence the news, rather than objectively reporting it. The cropping offers absolutely nothing in the way of emphasizing anything about the soldier.
The IDF admits it tortures and has been caught on camera using human shields.
As for the definite proof of Hamas ... where?
Except NO ONE has been able to tell us what that "ideology" is or provide any reason for why Reuters would intentionally crop a photo to make a point.
Prove it.
Sorry but that is the fantasy being promoted by US and Israeli news media and hardly what the rest of the world is saying. In fact the media in Europe is getting all sides of the story including the fact that the protesters were "armed". So having a picture of a man standing with a knife is hardly earth shattering considering the rest of the images and photos already released by the IDF. Like it or not, people have a right to defend themselves when being attacked by armed thugs in international waters.. it is not wise but they have that right.
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