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Republicans have no one to blame but themselves

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Republicans bemoaning the fate of the Kurds have no one to blame but themselves

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Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.)

10/10/19
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) put out a written statement on Wednesday declaring, “On Monday, I said that President Trump’s decision to abandon the Kurds, our major ally in the fight against ISIS, was terribly unwise. Today, we are seeing the consequences of that terrible decision. If the reports of Turkish strikes in Syria are accurate, I fear our allies the Kurds could be slaughtered.” Republican hawks Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) are fit to be tied, as Axios reports. Graham declared, “Pray for our Kurdish allies who have been shamelessly abandoned by the Trump Administration. This move ensures the reemergence of ISIS. Will lead effort in Congress to make Erdogan pay a heavy price. I urge President Trump to change course while there is still time by going back to the safe zone concept that was working.” Cheney lashed out: “News from Syria is sickening. Turkish troops preparing to invade Syria from the north, Russian-backed forces from the south, ISIS fighters attacking Raqqa. Impossible to understand why @realDonaldTrump is leaving America’s allies to be slaughtered and enabling the return of ISIS.” Impossible to understand? Hardly, Rep. Cheney. Cheney and Graham know full well from the Trump campaign and more than 2½ years of Trump’s presidency that he has a sweet spot for dictators, especially Russian President Vladimir Putin and his friends. They know Trump has sided with Putin over the consensus of U.S. intelligence agencies as to whether Russia interfered with our election. They and all the other Republicans now decrying the slaughter of the Kurds enabled by Trump know he has invited foreign powers to interfere with our election.

In sum, Trump betrays American democracy at the drop of a hat. He continually praises, sides with and provides brutal dictators (e.g., North Korea’s Kim Jong Un) with a treasure chest of good PR. He savages our allies, denigrates NATO and has suggested extorting allies to keep our troops forward-positioned in their country. What did they expect Trump would do to the Kurds? Republican Sens. Tom Cotton (Ark.), Ted Cruz (Tex.), Marco Rubio (Fla.) and Graham as well as House Republican hawks have not only defended but also now support for reelection a president who has defended and promoted the interests of American foes (e.g., Russia, North Korea) time and again. Without them, Trump could not fend off impeachment; without them, he would not have clear-sailing to a second term in which even more allies could be betrayed. These Republicans have betrayed their own oaths of office, which require them to enforce checks on the executive branch and defend Congress’s constitutional powers (e.g., the power to appropriate or decline to appropriate money for the wall, the power to conduct robust impeachment hearings), just as Trump has. In doing so, they have lost the moral high ground and any leverage to affect Trump’s actions. Giving him a pass on whatever nonsensical statements come out of his mouth has empowered him to do worse things with each passing year. Here is a suggestion for the Cheneys, the Grahams and the rest: Withdraw support for Trump’s reelection. Hold him accountable for betraying American democracy. Then they’ll have the moral authority to condemn the massacre of the Kurds. Right now they are enablers of the Kurdish genocide about to unfold.

Amen :applaud

All his life Trump has betrayed everything and everyone. Now Republicans are all surprised and infuriated? Go to Hell.
 
Our NATO allies (the Turkish) are now busy killing (some of) our ISIS fighting allies (the Kurds) inside the nation of Syria - both of them allegedly deserve our (US) support forever according to some. How anyone does not see this as insane is beyond me.
 
Turkey cannot kill the terrorists fast enough.
 
None of these hypocritical politicians give a rat's ass about the Kurds.

Some of them wanted war in the ME and wanted US involvement...especially in terms of arms and money...because that's what their donors want. Their donors see Trump's action and they see their money going bye-bye.

Some of them have spouted platitudes about ending US involvement in the US, but as we can see, when it comes down to actually ending things...suddenly doing that is a bad thing.

This is all about them seizing the chance to bad-mouth Trump.
 
Turkey, or Syria. They need to pick one and declare war.

What US national security interest is achieved by attacking a NATO ally, Turkey, who is currently invading Syria which you somehow think the US should be at war with?
 
At least POTUS is sparing American blood of our young men and women. Far more important

-VySky

When ISIS is resurgent again because of these shortsighted decisions, plenty of blood will be spilled right here at home.

And next time, no one will be interested in helping out. This is why “America first” is really just code for “America alone”.
 
What US national security interest is achieved by attacking a NATO ally, Turkey, who is currently invading Syria which you somehow think the US should be at war with?

The US should not have pulled out of Syria. It’s not that complicated.
 
When ISIS is resurgent again because of these shortsighted decisions, plenty of blood will be spilled right here at home.

And next time, no one will be interested in helping out. This is why “America first” is really just code for “America alone”.

I take it you support wars in Mid East.

Turkey is more than capable of handling ISIS.

-VySKy
 
What US national security interest is achieved by attacking a NATO ally, Turkey, who is currently invading Syria which you somehow think the US should be at war with?

That's a question for all the people who are ****ting themselves over Trump pulling 50 troops out of Syria.

My point: if Congress thinks it's such a bad idea, it should excercise it's constitutional authority to declare war
 
The US should not have pulled out of Syria. It’s not that complicated.

It seems that what should not be happening is for Turkey, a NATO ally, to be killing Kurds in Syria. It makes little sense for the US to defend the citizens of Syria from attack by a NATO ally.
 
It seems that what should not be happening is for Turkey, a NATO ally, to be killing Kurds in Syria. It makes little sense for the US to defend the citizens of Syria from attack by a NATO ally.

There are lots of things that should not happen. That's why we have a military.
 
That's a question for all the people who are ****ting themselves over Trump pulling 50 troops out of Syria.

My point: if Congress thinks it's such a bad idea, it should excercise it's constitutional authority to declare war

We still have troops in Germany, Saudi Arabia, S. Korea, and Japan. Should Congress have to declare war to keep them there? You think everyone will behave themselves if the US just pulls out of all those places? Add to that stopping aid to everyone from Egypt and Palestine to Pakistan. You think none of that would have any effects on US domestic security and prosperity?
 
We still have troops in Germany, Saudi Arabia, S. Korea, and Japan. Should Congress have to declare war to keep them there? You think everyone will behave themselves if the US just pulls out of all those places? Add to that stopping aid to everyone from Egypt and Palestine to Pakistan. You think none of that would have any effects on US domestic security and prosperity?

Nope, but congress should have to declare war for those US forces to launch any attacks.
 
When ISIS is resurgent again because of these shortsighted decisions, plenty of blood will be spilled right here at home.

And next time, no one will be interested in helping out. This is why “America first” is really just code for “America alone”.

Did you say that when Obama pulled us out of Iraq? No, of course you didnt. What is our mission in Syria? Do you even know?
 
We still have troops in Germany, Saudi Arabia, S. Korea, and Japan. Should Congress have to declare war to keep them there? You think everyone will behave themselves if the US just pulls out of all those places?
Do you not realize that this was the exact argument used against pulling our troops from Iraq? And you disagreed with it then but support it now. What changed?
 
The US does not have a military to endlessly play world policeman.

The world right now is like a small village with no sheriff. That's why it's such a mess. There is no enforceable system of international law. Each nation pursues its own interests. Contracts, agreements, treaties, etc... have no meaning except what each side chooses to give it. So international law is not really law- it's more like "friendly suggestions and recommendations".

So in this completely anarchic environment, someone has to try to make sure things run in some orderly fashion, where there is some consideration for people to stick to agreements and treaties they have signed; for fairness, rule of law, and keeping everyone from getting too out of hand. Because the US has so far been the biggest guy on the block since WWII, that role has fallen on it to try to keep some semblance of order in the neighborhood. It's the friendly neighborhood tough guy. It has also been the biggest beneficiary of stability, because a world at peace is also a good marketplace for its business. It is not in the US's interest to see the world fall into endless tribal warfare and chaos.

If you don't think the US should be responsible for keeping some order and justice in the world, then the only other alternative would be something like a UN with a rigorous system of laws and serious law enforcement capability, to maintain law and order on the international arena. No third alternative is really viable.
 
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Republicans bemoaning the fate of the Kurds have no one to blame but themselves

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Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.)



Amen :applaud

All his life Trump has betrayed everything and everyone. Now Republicans are all surprised and infuriated? Go to Hell.

Was Trump wrong to withdraw troops from Syria? Was Obama wrong to withdraw troops from Iraq?
Was Obama wrong to go to war with Libya? It may not be possible to determine the answers to these questions with anything like a simple 'yes' or 'no.'
 
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