Report: 92% of Afghans don’t know about 9/11; 40% think US out to destroy Islam

[Deuce]

And once again it needs to be explained that Islam was a religion built for death, genocide and conquest and is unreformable. Each of these were not in the mind of Jesus Christ but were of Muhammad.

It's not an explanation when you just say it. It's an unsubstantiated, idiotic claim.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Ah, the mindless slander. Just what I needed.

More to follow.

ISLAM A WAR CREED: http://www.debatepolitics.com/archi...d-attack-their-own-boss-2.html#post1058642552



KORANIC DEATH CULTURE: http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...has-always-been-part-america-s-history-7.html


"Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you" (Quran:9:123).

"Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them" (Quran:9:14).

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them" (Quran:9:5).

"Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them" (Quran:4:89).


Quran 3:54 And they schemed/deceived and Allah schemed/deceived, and Allah is the best of the schemers/deceivers.



Quran 22:19-22: "... for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods."

Quran 8:12: "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.'"

Quran 8:7: "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"

Quran 8:59: "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."

Quran 8:60: "Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you."

Quran 9.29: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

Quran 47:4: "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers" and, after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives."

Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985): "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: 'The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.'"

Quran 9:5: "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Sura 3:151: "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!"

Sura 8:60: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly."

Tabari IX:113: "Allah permits you to shut them (women) in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Quran."

Tabari I:280: "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."

Ishaq:327: "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"


These quotations are not out of context. They are representative of dozens and dozens of other messages in the Islamic "Holy" texts. Clearly, they have inspired the violent and hateful behavior of followers.



Unlike the Bible, which are representations of reported events, the words in the Koran are the orders of the Moon God Allah. Let's see their Bible equivilents!


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It's an unsubstantiated, idiotic claim.

Well until you can come up with a decent rebuttal rather than act like a retarded 8 year-old, you'll just have to put up with it and get over it.

 

[Deuce]

Can I use the old testament or are you going to call me anti-semitic?

 

[RightinNYC]

This is garbage. You guys, don't visit any examiner sites. These are pay-by-hit blogs. This is a spammer. Get rid of these guys, there's no place for them in politics.

That 92% figure is just plain made up. These guys are trying to earn a few bucks. Seriously, a mod should ban the OP.

1) The article in the OP links directly to the report.

2) The report says pretty much exactly what the article in the OP says it does. 2/3 of people claim to recognize a picture of the planes hitting the twin towers, but when they are read a description of the events of 9/11 and asked if they're familiar with what happened, just 8% say that they have heard the story before.

3) The report is from this group: The International Council on Security and Development - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4) The report was published in many places other than the examiner.

Frontline Afghans Unaware of 9/11, Report Says - World Watch - CBS News

VOA | Survey: Most Afghans in South Unaware of 2001 Terrorist Attacks on US | News | English

Few Afghans know reason for war, new study shows | Reuters

I agree that the examiner is trash, but I don't think this is a good example for your argument in favor of banning all people who post stories from there.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Can I use the old testament or are you going to call me anti-semitic?

Feel free. It was rendered out of date by the New Testament and countless reforms or progressing offshoots like the Church of England anyway. None of these things enjoyed by Islam.

I don't think this is a good example for your argument in favor of banning all people who post stories from there.

I tend to get that sort of thing a lot myself from the liberal opposition. They shoot the messenger all the time if they can't whack the message itself. Invalidation is hardwired into them.

 

[Protectionist]

Meanwhile, neo-Nazis and KKK members describe themselves as Christian. Christians also describe themselves as having a "god-given" religion. Christians worked for the nazis. Funny how I've never seen you condemn these actions, nor do I ever see Christians condemning these actions.

Until I haved a signed, notarized statement from all the so-called "moderate" Christians condemning these things I've described, I'm just going to go ahead and assume all Christians are extremists!

"Funny how" every time the subject of Islamic terror comes up, some Islamapologist starts talking about Christians, Nazis, KKK, everything but the subject of the thread. Want to talk about these things ? Go ahead. You're free to start a thread of your own. In the meantime, changing the subject isn't appropriate in a computer forum.

 

[Protectionist]

Can I use the old testament or are you going to call me anti-semitic?

NO, you cannot use the Old Testament, because the topic here is about ISLAM, not the Old Testament. Stick to the topic, or get out of the thread, OK ?

 

[Deuce]

Feel free. It was rendered out of date by the New Testament and countless reforms or progressing offshoots like the Church of England anyway. None of these things enjoyed by Islam.






I tend to get that sort of thing a lot myself from the liberal opposition. They shoot the messenger all the time if they can't whack the message itself. Invalidation is hardwired into them.

If the Old Testament has been "reformed," how come Christians standing around with signs about how homosexuality is evil always quote Leviticus?

And are you suggesting that Jews are part of a religion of hate also? Some pretty heinous stuff in those books...

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

The Old Testament hasn't been reformed, just superceded. And has been said, presumably in relation to those protesters at the war memorial, the rest of the Christians have spoken out against them. They got a particular roasting on Fox News.

The spirit of modern Christianity has little in common with the blood-n-thunder stuff nowadays. But Islam is, was and ever shall be the same. And no amount of moral equivilence will ever change that.


Contrast that with the tendency of Muslims to say 'we don't need to speak out. If people can't tell the difference between peaceful and extremist Muslims.........'


Islamic organisations also have a tendency to blame everyone else for 'Islamophobia' and demanding society give them Sharia this and indoctrination plan that. They only seem to condemn terrorist nutjobs when pushed, especially when the MCB took over a week to condemn the London bombing. And we've heard radio silence over all the others.


And when Jews or Christians start blowing up Christmas trees without fear of trial, we can look into their motivations. Until then, sleeping dogs had best be left to lie, especially as the Hound of the Baskervilles Islam needs to be hunted down.

 

[Deuce]

The Old Testament hasn't been reformed, just superceded. And has been said, presumably in relation to those protesters at the war memorial, the rest of the Christians have spoken out against them, especially in the newspapers.

Ahh. So the reform allows Christians to use the Old Testament when it's convenient for them, but avoid responsibility when criticism is leveled. Nice!
Really? "The rest of the Christians?" I almost never hear about it.
Kinda like you almost never hear about Muslims condemning the actions of their extremists.
Besides, WBC is hardly the only Christian group who quotes Leviticus when talking about homosexuals.

Contrast that with the tendency of Muslims to say 'we don't need to speak out. If people can't tell the difference between peaceful and extremist Muslims.........'

They speak up all the time. It just doesn't make the news. I think that's a key component of your issue.

 

[Protectionist]

Comparing transgressions of other religions to Islam historically, is playing into the hands of the Islamopologist and his head games. Despite the Inquisitions and some negatives of the Old Testament, overall, there is no comparison between the hateful, imperialistic genocide and despicable behaviors common to Islamic societies (Sharia law, misogyny, pedophilia, slavery, torture, dismemberment, mutilation, etc.). Comparing Christianity and Judaism's evils to those of Islam, is like comparing a pebble to Mt. Everest.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

....but avoid responsibility when criticism is leveled.

Responsibility has hardly avoided during the writing of the New Testament, the various reforms in whatever shape, etc. And in the case of Westboro specifically, most of its numbers are family members anyway. Hardly the stuff of global jihad and ritual fatwahs calling for women to be imprisoned in Darth Vader outfits, say.

"Funny how" every time the subject of Islamic terror comes up, some Islamapologist starts talking about Christians, Nazis, KKK, everything but the subject of the thread. Want to talk about these things ? Go ahead. You're free to start a thread of your own. In the meantime, changing the subject isn't appropriate in a computer forum.

And it's also funny how weblinks are OK when they use them, but when I do they're 'invalid', 'irrelevant', etc. Don't take these people seriously. My people at Youtube I take seriously.

...playing into the hands of the Islamopologist and his head games.

Indeed. But I do when I chose to. From time to time I've compiled plenty of evidence of active Islamofascism and Liberal-Left compliance and moral equivilence. And every time they try to play their mind games, the larger a list of evidence I can compile.

With them, it's the same thing over and over anyway. So make use of it.



Read and enjoy this little lot. There's been no Christian equivilent of Holocaust denial, killing of Jews as religious policy and usurping 'kuffar' societies to fragment them and wedge Islam in, is there?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...faith-britain-even-poison-their-own-kids.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...-burning-our-multi-faith-multi-culti-mix.html



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http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/82243-look-ongoing-islamification-france.html

Bible-burners routinely ignored: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/82239-dont-burn-koran-britain.html#post1059002700

Ah, so that's why: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...r-derek-fenton-booted-his-job-nj-transit.html

EVIDENCE OF ISLAMIC PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS AND ADVOCATION OF TYRANNY BY BIG-SHOT MUSLIMS PAST AND PRESENT: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...utside-indonesias-capital.html#post1058980942



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Islam's in an institutionally bad mood about Jews as well. They've tried to kill them often enough: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-against-koran-burners-2.html#post1058984016

Even teaching their kids about the Nazi camps can be haram: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nce-over-islamic-center-4.html#post1058975651




Who'd want the soul-destroying job of watching this little lot 'round the clock: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...ic-extremism-religion-peace-did-they-say.html [CONTAINS ITS OWN ARCHIVE]


LUUUUURVE those jihadists, say Muslim kids: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...d-kids-threaten-kill-patriotic-schoolboy.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-...ular-name-baby-boys-ahead-jack-and-harry.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...n-away-damning-government-research-paper.html

Left Wing radio silence over high numbers of Muslims backing terror: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...t-targeting-europe-foiled.html#post1059017202



Islamic culture: http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...-part-america-s-history-5.html#post1059114782


That'll do for now. Quite an irrefutably frothy Islamo-broth!

 

[Mustachio]

1) The article in the OP links directly to the report.

2) The report says pretty much exactly what the article in the OP says it does. 2/3 of people claim to recognize a picture of the planes hitting the twin towers, but when they are read a description of the events of 9/11 and asked if they're familiar with what happened, just 8% say that they have heard the story before.

3) The report is from this group: The International Council on Security and Development - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4) The report was published in many places other than the examiner.

Frontline Afghans Unaware of 9/11, Report Says - World Watch - CBS News

VOA | Survey: Most Afghans in South Unaware of 2001 Terrorist Attacks on US | News | English

Few Afghans know reason for war, new study shows | Reuters

I agree that the examiner is trash, but I don't think this is a good example for your argument in favor of banning all people who post stories from there.

I took a look at the report, it does appear to be legit. I question everything from examiner, looks like I was wrong about this one.

Still, though, the article looked like trash, and if it looks like trash and smells like trash, it usually is trash. I don't know why the OP would link to the examiner article instead of a legitimate source or the report itself, unless they were the writer of the article and getting paid per page view. Hence my call for the ban hammer.

 

[Councilman]

This is sort of to be expected in a Country where education is not a priority and radio and TV is almost nonexistent and even electricity is rare inmost of the Country.

News is past along by word of mouth and since under the Taliban men treated women as slaves they have had no incentive to pass on any information they might have heard, and women are less then 2nd class citizens.

In past conflicts the dropping of leaflets was SOP but when no one or few read it's of no use, besides like I said men don't want their slaves freed.

 

[Protectionist]

Responsibility has hardly avoided during the writing of the New Testament, the various reforms in whatever shape, etc. And in the case of Westboro specifically, most of its numbers are family members anyway. Hardly the stuff of global jihad and ritual fatwahs calling for women to be imprisoned in Darth Vader outfits, say.





And it's also funny how weblinks are OK when they use them, but when I do they're 'invalid', 'irrelevant', etc. Don't take these people seriously. My people at Youtube I take seriously.




Indeed. But I do when I chose to. From time to time I've compiled plenty of evidence of active Islamofascism and Liberal-Left compliance and moral equivilence. And every time they try to play their mind games, the larger a list of evidence I can compile.

With them, it's the same thing over and over anyway. So make use of it.



Read and enjoy this little lot. There's been no Christian equivilent of Holocaust denial, killing of Jews as religious policy and usurping 'kuffar' societies to fragment them and wedge Islam in, is there?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...faith-britain-even-poison-their-own-kids.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...-burning-our-multi-faith-multi-culti-mix.html






_____________________________________

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/82243-look-ongoing-islamification-france.html

Bible-burners routinely ignored: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/82239-dont-burn-koran-britain.html#post1059002700

Ah, so that's why: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...r-derek-fenton-booted-his-job-nj-transit.html

EVIDENCE OF ISLAMIC PERSECUTION OF CHRISTIANS AND ADVOCATION OF TYRANNY BY BIG-SHOT MUSLIMS PAST AND PRESENT: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...utside-indonesias-capital.html#post1058980942



_____________________________________

Islam's in an institutionally bad mood about Jews as well. They've tried to kill them often enough: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-against-koran-burners-2.html#post1058984016

Even teaching their kids about the Nazi camps can be haram: http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nce-over-islamic-center-4.html#post1058975651




Who'd want the soul-destroying job of watching this little lot 'round the clock: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...ic-extremism-religion-peace-did-they-say.html [CONTAINS ITS OWN ARCHIVE]


LUUUUURVE those jihadists, say Muslim kids: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...d-kids-threaten-kill-patriotic-schoolboy.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-...ular-name-baby-boys-ahead-jack-and-harry.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...n-away-damning-government-research-paper.html

Left Wing radio silence over high numbers of Muslims backing terror: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...t-targeting-europe-foiled.html#post1059017202



Islamic culture: http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...-part-america-s-history-5.html#post1059114782


That'll do for now. Quite an irrefutably frothy Islamo-broth!

Good list, Republic. Thanks. I'll be sure to check them all out eventually, this week.
Here's a list of some of my favorites starting with 2 great books. Rest are websites.

They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel.

Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer

American Congress for Truth

Act! for America - Home

The Investigative Project on Terrorism

Jihad Watch

Atlas Shrugs

 

[Laila]

Lol @ Jihadwatch.

Thanks for giving me a reason to disregard any of your current and future posts about Islam.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Yep, messenger-shooting again. No wonder we go 'round in the same old circles. Though I will say that your sense of righteousness wouldn't be so undermined if you didn't flee each time I ask whether Koran verses such as 9:29 are valid in the modern world. Three times now to my reckoning.



But never mind. If you want to look at Islam first-hand, go straight to the source.


"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." Quran (5:51)

"Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you." Quran (9:123)

"Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them." Quran (9:14)

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." Quran (9:5)



"Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." Quran (4:89)

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." Quran (8:12)

"Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah." Quran (5:80)

"Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah." Quran (8:59-60)

"Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway." Quran (9:73)

"Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment." Quran (24:2)

Scum: "Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves." Quran (48:29)

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Quran (9:29)





"You may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you see that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one, or marry those who have fallen in your possession (slaves and captives)." Quran (4:3)

"Men are the maintainers of women, for Allah has made some better than the other and men spend their wealth on them. Righteous women are thus obedient, guarding the secret which Allah has guarded. Those from whom you fear rebellion, scold them, desert them in the bed and beat them." Quran (4:34)



Lovely religion we've allowed these people to infect the West with! Fabulous!

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Good list, Republic. Thanks. I'll be sure to check them all out eventually, this week.
Here's a list of some of my favorites starting with 2 great books. Rest are websites.

They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel.

Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer

American Congress for Truth

Act! for America - Home

The Investigative Project on Terrorism

Jihad Watch

Atlas Shrugs

All good stuff. Muslims fear it because they cannot refute it. Not even taquiyya can tackle the freedom of information we have now.

As with the Left, all they have is invalidation and insult.

 

[Protectionist]

All good stuff. Muslims fear it because they cannot refute it. Not even taquiyya can tackle the freedom of information we have now.

As with the Left, all they have is invalidation and insult.

And the trouble (they have) with their invalidation is it is so easily invalidatd.

 

[Protectionist]

"Lovely religion we've allowed these people to infect the West with! Fabulous!"

But only if one accepts Islam to even be a "religion" at all. Millions of people around the world don't, as well as billions over the past 1400 years. In perhaps the most thorough study of Shariah law, released recently by the Center for Security policy, written by an all-star cast of terrorism experts, the 172 page report refers to the American Islamization movement as a totalitarian ideology masquerading as a religion.
On page 19 they state :
"Heretofore, the United States has confronted primarily external threats. Today, we are facing an internal threat that has masked itself as a religion, and that uses the tolerance for religious practice guaranteed by the First Amendment to parry efforts to restrict or prevent what amounts to seditious activities."

Thinking about it objectively, and considering the heinous behaviors involved, it would seem logical for the early Muslims to come up with something that would prevent harsh criticism of their
outrageous activities. Calling them the word of God might be the perfect solution wouldn't it ? Nobody wants to go against God, do they ?

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

And even there, the Muslims shoot themselves in the foot.


In Muhammad's own words, "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken" (Al-Tabari 6:111)



In that single killer line, the 'Prophet' undermines the ENTIRE BASIS of their faith! (And there's plenty in the Koran about deception as well.)

Islam is FOUNDED on the supposed words and commands of the moon god Allah!

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

And the trouble (they have) with their invalidation is it is so easily invalidatd.

I'd laugh at the Libtards' wilfully deranged mindsets if they weren't so nation-wrecking.

They're the kind of people who say 'Muslims? No, they're mostly alright. You know who the good ones are because they play cricket. They help old ladies across the street, become doctors and work with handicapped children in special schools'.

Then when a few get arrested after the inevitable bombs go off, the liberals say 'I don't understand it. Those chaps played cricket, were doctors, helped kids and old ladies. How could they have become bombers?'

The answer is the Islamic doctrine which the liberals always said was a religion of peace. And people carry on dying and being hurt in riots because our rulers are too blinkered to learn.