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I'd like to say that I see it as 50/50 to be fair but If I'm being honest I have seen probably twice as many whiny conservatives.some of them might be, but the majority of them are liberals
Stupid is as stupid does... in this case it's not even an accusation it's just a pejorative statement.
You're incorrect Redress.
We have two classic cases
Shocker, people have a need to speak out about bad behavior more when its being done by people they don't like.
And some people recognize that trivial **** is trivial ****.
Ok, and how does that compare with a man that wrote a theme specific playbook that liberals have been using to usher in something other than what this country was founded on?
j-mac
J, you and others use this as an excuse to not listen, and thus get many, many things wrong. I also think you and others largely misrepresent Alinsky. Here's an overview:
Saul Alinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IN any case, he is but one person representing only himself. Efforts to move it beyond that are illogical and a tactic in and of itself, worthy of what you rail against.
Ok, and how does that compare with a man that wrote a theme specific playbook that liberals have been using to usher in something other than what this country was founded on?
j-mac
As are liberal progressive talking points for the same purpose.A list of talking points and conceptual positions is distributed to conservatives every year, so they can stay "on message".
Alinsky has been dead for since 1973.
As are liberal progressive talking points for the same purpose.
How is that relevant?
Tactics never grow old. Sun Tzu's "Art of War" is so 1st century BC but it's still relevant and still read. Tactics don't go out of style, they're just modified.Alinsky is SO 1960's. The science of persuasion is MUCH more potent today than it was 40 years ago.
Dunno what you read, but here on DP, there's no indication to me Dems are way behind anything. The amount of spin, misinformation, outright lies and propaganda are staggering.And the Dems are WAY behind in this area. Like a minor league team compared to World Series contenders.
Them catching up is NOT something I'm looking forward to. Nor will they escape my wrath.
Well, here we have it...The more civil tone....When Gov. Perry says something that liberals don't like the call is all about civility, yet Maxine Waters, the socialist can say whatever she wants.....Pure Allensky.
j-mac
Tactics never grow old. Sun Tzu's "Art of War" is so 1st century BC but it's still relevant and still read. Tactics don't go out of style, they're just modified.
Dunno what you read, but here on DP, there's no indication to me Dems are way behind anything. The amount of spin, misinformation, outright lies and propaganda are staggering.
You're right, one is capitalized and the other isn't.Quantity is not the same as quantity.
I don't know enough about it to disagree or agree. However, just plain observation of media outlets shows the messaging is quite tight in my view. I thought the "Journolist" scandal was quite interesting a few years ago showing just how tight and manipulative the messaging was.Dem messaging is all over the place, and lacks 30 years of preparatory groundwork.
Can you give some examples? Again... I don't know enough about how ideological monolithic Republicans are or are not.Its in the monolithic uniformity of message, throughout the conservative media, that the Repubs have the Dems beat.
The Dems aren't ideologically anywhere near as uniform as Republicans are in the first place. So it is more difficult to craft messages for them.
I don't mind ideological people as long as they are honest about it. What I see and I certainly can say I'm affected by my own political bias, is that the right seems to be more honest about their views and less apologetic and willing to explain why they believe what they believe. Whether or not it's based on fact or not is a different story and there are those who are manipulative though a minority. What I see at least here on DP is the rigorous defense of all the beliefs and the dishonesty - manipulations, fabrications, hypocrisy. Again, this isn't ONLY on the left but it certainly is more prevalent and I would say in the majority. The excuses and passing off of responsibility especially by the newest members is astonishing. Almost, a concerted and organized effort - or seemingly so.I'm not going to argue with you when you point out Dem abuse of these methods. See the Schultz/Perry thread.
I've been trying to get people to engage in deconstruction of deceptive persuasive messaging since I got here.
Doesn't matter whose to me, as consideration of the subject itself is of great importance at this point in time.
If nothing else it'll help people enjoy the upcoming CU election better. Cuz its gonna be EVARYWHERE!
Well, here we have it...The more civil tone....When Gov. Perry says something that liberals don't like the call is all about civility, yet Maxine Waters, the socialist can say whatever she wants.....Pure Allensky.
j-mac
I mean, the Democrats were pushing for a more civil dialog for a while, but the Republicans and especially the tea party, told them to go **** themselves over and over and over. How long were they supposed to keep asking nicely? Obviously the GOP and tea parties delegations are way beyond reason or civil discourse at this point. They filibuster their own bills sometimes now. They threatened to destroy the country if they didn't get their way. At this point I don't see how we could continue to try to be civil with them. At this point all that can be done is to remove them from power before they do more damage.
"They threatened to destroy the country"... you listening to yourself?
Maxine said "tea party can go to hell and I will help send them there" if a republican said something like that about a Dem it would be considered a death threat and there would be calls for him or her to resign.reminds one of "YOU LIE!", doesn't it?
You need to buy into less of the hype. Nothing would have been destroyed, we'd still be here, no one would have gone into bankruptcy if we didn't dig the hole deeper by increasing the debt we already cannot pay.What do you mean? They threatened to force default. That is a declaration of bankruptcy... Yeah, that is threatening to destroy the country. I mean they didn't threaten to nuke the country, but about as close as you could possibly get to that in a political context.
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