Religion and World Peace

[zyzygy]

slaughters his enemies

The reigion of love !!:lamo:lamo

 

[zyzygy]

1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

 

[Angel]

/////// slaughters his enemies /////

The reigion of love !!:lamo:lamo

1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Less is more, Mr Comedy. You didn't need the citation; the comment under our resident emoji performance artist's post was enough.
Your compulsion to post gets in the way of your commitment to comedy.
A word to the wizened.

 

[ataraxia]

When Jesus returns, slaughters His enemies, and sets up His kingdom on earth it will be mission accomplished.

The Shiite Muslims say it will be the Imam Mehdi who will be returning, not Jesus. And he will want to know exactly why you were disobedient iof the laws of Allah so clearly laid out in the Holy Quran, and will slaughter all the disbelievers and enemies of Allah.

So how are you so sure it’s one and not the other? And even if it’s Jesus, how are you sure Catholics, or pitestant sects, or Mormons, or whatever other Christian denomination that likes to think they believe in Jesus, are still not going to be considered his enemies and slaughtered?

Do you think there is a chance that all of this has something to do with just what culture you happened to be born into?

 

[PoS]

With all of the differing religious theologies, some of which direct their followers to go forth and convert all to believe as they do, some even using physical force, is there any scenario in which it is conceivable world wide peace can ever be achieved ?

No.

/thread

 

[marke]

The Shiite Muslims say it will be the Imam Mehdi who will be returning, not Jesus. And he will want to know exactly why you were disobedient iof the laws of Allah so clearly laid out in the Holy Quran, and will slaughter all the disbelievers and enemies of Allah.

So how are you so sure it’s one and not the other? And even if it’s Jesus, how are you sure Catholics, or pitestant sects, or Mormons, or whatever other Christian denomination that likes to think they believe in Jesus, are still not going to be considered his enemies and slaughtered?

Do you think there is a chance that all of this has something to do with just what culture you happened to be born into?

No, truth is truth no matter what people of different cultures think about it.

 

[ataraxia]

No, truth is truth no matter what people of different cultures think about it.

Sure, but how does anyone know they have achieved ultimate truth? Could that ultimate truth just be that these are all just cultural mythologies?

 

[Omega Man]

When Jesus returns, slaughters His enemies, and sets up His kingdom on earth it will be mission accomplished.

Problem is, according to the scriptures themselves, that was to have occurred at some point before the end of the 1st century CE or thereabouts. It didn't happen.


OM

 

[Omega Man]

No, truth is truth no matter what people of different cultures think about it.

Problem is, nobody knows what that is for certain. Billions have an idea that they subscribe to, but they don't know for certain. All that's left is faith or skepticism.


OM

 

[Sweden]

No, truth is truth no matter what people of different cultures think about it.

That's true. The problem is that all religions are untrue, just collections of wildly improbable inventions.

 

[Omega Man]

Sure, but how does anyone know they have achieved ultimate truth? Could that ultimate truth just be that these are all just cultural mythologies?

Quite possible; even probable. But nobody knows for certain.


OM

 

[Daisy]

The reigion of love !!:lamo:lamo

Yes, it is...love for those who love Him, love for peace and righteousness...to be free at last of all badness/wickedness once and for all time...

 

[Daisy]

1 John 4:7-8
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

You do realize that was written to the Christian congregation, right?

 

[RAMOSS]

Contemporary New Atheists are very likely to believe in transhumanism. They are very likely to believe in the "modern synthesis" theory of evolution. They are very likely to think consciousness is generated by physical brains, and that it will be possible some day to build functioning brains. They think it is possible, or probable, that medical science will cure all diseases.

Those are some typical examples of things that New Atheists agree on. If you are a New Atheist, and you disagree with any of them, I would be very surprised.

Atheism, especially New Atheism, is an ideology.

Please show that the statement 'Contemporary New Atheists are very likely to believe in Transhumanism'. Support your claim.

 

[Daisy]

The Shiite Muslims say it will be the Imam Mehdi who will be returning, not Jesus. And he will want to know exactly why you were disobedient iof the laws of Allah so clearly laid out in the Holy Quran, and will slaughter all the disbelievers and enemies of Allah.

So how are you so sure it’s one and not the other? And even if it’s Jesus, how are you sure Catholics, or pitestant sects, or Mormons, or whatever other Christian denomination that likes to think they believe in Jesus, are still not going to be considered his enemies and slaughtered?

Do you think there is a chance that all of this has something to do with just what culture you happened to be born into?

"And by this we realize that we have come to know him, namely, if we continue observing his commandments The one who says, “I have come to know him,” and yet does not observe his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in this person. But whoever does observe his word, in this person the love of God has truly been made perfect. By this we know that we are in union with him.". 1 John 2:2-5

 

[ataraxia]

"And by this we realize that we have come to know him, namely, if we continue observing his commandments The one who says, “I have come to know him,” and yet does not observe his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in this person. But whoever does observe his word, in this person the love of God has truly been made perfect. By this we know that we are in union with him.". 1 John 2:2-5

But there are about as many interpretations of what these Commandments really are, and what it means to obey them, as there are believers. And all the other religions have similar passages too. Again, makes you wonder whether this is not just a strategy to keep people in line with whatever religion it is you want to propagate.

”O you who believe, respond to Allah and to the Messenger when He calls you to what will bring you to life. Know that Allah intervenes between a person and his heart and that you will be gathered to Him. “
(Holy Quran, Surat al-Anfal: 24)

 

[Daisy]

Problem is, according to the scriptures themselves, that was to have occurred at some point before the end of the 1st century CE or thereabouts. It didn't happen.


OM

You do realize that prophecy has more than one fulfillment, right? Jesus’ own prophecy regarding the conclusion of the system of things in Jerusalem also includes mention of his coming in Kingdom power, which did not take place in the first century CE...Matthew 24:29, 30; Luke 21:25-32...this indicates a dual fulfillment...the latter is yet to come...

 

[Daisy]

But there are about as many interpretations of what these Commandments really are, and what it means to obey them, as there are believers. And all the other religions have similar passages too. Again, makes you wonder whether this is not just a strategy to keep people in line with whatever religion it is you want to propagate.

And that is why Jesus gave the parable of the weeds and the wheat...the parable of the sheep and the goats...he will do the separating work, not us...we can only decide for ourselves by studying diligently the Bible what Jesus wants us to do...he also said, "by their fruits you shall know them"...

 

[Omega Man]

You do realize that prophecy has more than one fulfillment, right? Jesus’ own prophecy regarding the conclusion of the system of things in Jerusalem also includes mention of his coming in Kingdom power, which did not take place in the first century CE...Matthew 24:29, 30; Luke 21:25-32...this indicates a dual fulfillment...the latter is yet to come...

The scriptures were rather clear, in both the Gospels AND the Epistles, that all of that "Jesus returning" stuff was to go down while some of the original apostles and church members were still alive. Right there in black and white. Didn't happen; and of course the church was left in the awkward position of having to reassess and reinterpret.


OM

 

[Daisy]

The scriptures were rather clear, in both the Gospels AND the Epistles, that all of that "Jesus returning" stuff was to go down while some of the original apostles and church members were still alive. Right there in black and white. Didn't happen; and of course the church was left in the awkward position of having to reassess and reinterpret.


OM

That is not exactly true...they only saw God's kingdom come into power through the transfiguration...Jesus granted them that luxury before they died...

 

[Omega Man]

You do realize that was written to the Christian congregation, right?

More specifically, addressed to the Johannine community exclusively.


OM

 

[ataraxia]

And that is why Jesus gave the parable of the weeds and the wheat...the parable of the sheep and the goats...he will do the separating work, not us...we can only decide for ourselves by studying diligently the Bible what Jesus wants us to do...he also said, "by their fruits you shall know them"...

But how do you know you have the real truth, and not just your latest interpretation of it?

Because, if it’s just the latter, religious scripture becomes nothing more than just a projection of your own latest opinions and tastes unto a heaven of certainty, unquestionable sanctity, and immutability. It’s like looking in the mirror, seeing yourself and your most current ideals and dearly held ultimate values, and thinking you are seeing God. I can certainly see how that provides a sense of being special, and the “comfort of faith” that believers like to talk about so often. But I think you can then also see how that is a foolproof recipe for closed mindedness, stagnation, and dogmatism- not to mention tyranny if you are in a position of power.

And, uncannily enough, observations show that religious people are particularly prone to fall into such traps.

 

[Omega Man]

That is not exactly true...they only saw God's kingdom come into power through the transfiguration...Jesus granted them that luxury before they died...

Precisely true.

"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." -Matthew 16:28

"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.." -Matthew 24:30-36

"Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words." -Paul's 1st letter to the Thessalonians, explaining to them what to expect, Chapter 4, verses 13 thru 18

"for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing." -Paul's 1st letter to the Thessalonians (Chapter 5, verses 2-11) urging them to be on guard at all times, because he expected the second coming to happen within their lifetimes.

These were predictions made at certain time in history, and those assurances directed towards a certain community of believers who were being oppressed, and who possessed a conviction that their chosen "spiritual savior" would deliver them, and enact revenge upon their oppressors. It simply didn't happen. It is at a later point that the believers began reading into the scriptures, rather than simply reading them.


OM

 

[ataraxia]

That is not exactly true...they only saw God's kingdom come into power through the transfiguration...Jesus granted them that luxury before they died...

Really. Paul was so sure that day and days was at hand that he was telling people to not even bother getting married or getting a job. Even while they were alive. So it seems that the concept was more than about just seeing the Transfiguration.

 

[Daisy]

But how do you know you have the real truth, and not just your latest interpretation of it?

Because, if it’s just the latter, religious scripture becomes nothing more than just a projection of your own latest opinions and tastes unto a heaven of certainty, unquestionable sanctity, and immutability. It’s like looking in the mirror, seeing yourself and your most current ideals and dearly held ultimate values, and thinking you are seeing God. I can certainly see how that provides a sense of being special, and the “comfort of faith” that believers like to talk about so often. But I think you can then also see how that is a foolproof recipe for closed mindedness, stagnation, and dogmatism.

And, uncannily enough, observations show that religious people are particularly prone to fall into that trap.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating..."taste and see that Jehovah is good"...