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Received my Open Enrollment package today- Screw Obamacare!

MMC said:
I believe she has read the whole Law like both sides report.....I think she has studied it in detail in order to write her book and be credible. Other than members of Congress she knows each and every detail. So I would say general speaking she would be.....despite not writing any of it.

So one side says she is an expert.....yet she knows what she is talking about and can cite which section of the law it is. While those such as yourself doubt the validity of the claim. Even knowing she knows the law better than most of them their selves.

So to say she isn't one.....there must be some sort of Information that disputes her claim to fame. Did you happen to find any yet?
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How do you know she read the report, and how do you know that she is an expert on health care (aside from the fact that it says so in that one article)?
 
Rocketman said:
Again we had a contract. This is the only President in my lifetime to cause force majure on an existing healthcare contract.
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RocketM, for some reason you have apparently never had a contract change. Again I say - good for you. But millions of others have had contract changes to their healthcare annually. Many years ago many companies were switching to the tiered health care plans. The idea being if you want what near what you had before you are gonna pay a premium price for it.

This was happening without force for at least 10 or 15 years that I know of . Did you think all of the people complaining about their insurance for the past few decades were lying?
 
Rocketman said:
yes they are saving money on my plan but not on the extra labor required to monitor the exhausting provisions.
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HUh?

All the insurance companies now know what is expected of them - where is all this unreasonable extra effort coming into play? I can see the insurance company would have had to put out effort to put out a compliant product, but not the employer.
 
year2late said:
RocketM, for some reason you have apparently never had a contract change. Again I say - good for you. But millions of others have had contract changes to their healthcare annually. Many years ago many companies were switching to the tiered health care plans. The idea being if you want what near what you had before you are gonna pay a premium price for it.

This was happening without force for at least 10 or 15 years that I know of . Did you think all of the people complaining about their insurance for the past few decades were lying?
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others has little to do with me, other do drugs, again it has little to do with me. the tired little kid talk is old now
 
year2late said:
HUh?

All the insurance companies now know what is expected of them - where is all this unreasonable extra effort coming into play? I can see the insurance company would have had to put out effort to put out a compliant product, but not the employer.
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you are not caught up, last years open enrollment package was 6 pages, it is close to 70 this year
 
Rocketman said:
you are not caught up, last years open enrollment package was 6 pages, it is close to 70 this year
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But you act like many have not been facing crappier policies for more money ( as well as same level policies for MUCH higher premiums) for many years.

In addition to these higher priced crappier policies the insurance companies might just screw you over anyway. This was the direction insurance was going in this country PRE Obama.

Glad you had a sweet ride for years, but you were lucky. Millions of others not so much.

I have a friend with breast cancer that fought tooth and nail with her insurance company to get COVERED treatment. She went to a cancer support group and she was disgusted that a lot of the support they were receiving was not about death and dying - but how to fight insurance companies that were attempting to withhold approval for covered services. She survived her cancer and kept her house because a lawyer with terminal cancer in her support group used his remaining months sticking it to the insurance companies that were attempting NOT to give covered treatment.

But good for you for all those years of perfect premium health care insurance. Millions of the rest of us had been progressively screwed over for one or two decades.


But actually, I would be ok with those 70 pages going down to a single payer option. But my guess is that suggestion alone would make you see red and spout off about socialism and such.
 
year2late said:
But you act like many have not been facing crappier policies for more money ( as well as same level policies for MUCH higher premiums) for many years.

In addition to these higher priced crappier policies the insurance companies might just screw you over anyway. This was the direction insurance was going in this country PRE Obama.

Glad you had a sweet ride for years, but you were lucky. Millions of others not so much.

I have a friend with breast cancer that fought tooth and nail with her insurance company to get COVERED treatment. She went to a cancer support group and she was disgusted that a lot of the support they were receiving was not about death and dying - but how to fight insurance companies that were attempting to withhold approval for covered services. She survived her cancer and kept her house because a lawyer with terminal cancer in her support group used his remaining months sticking it to the insurance companies that were attempting NOT to give covered treatment.

But good for you for all those years of perfect premium health care insurance. Millions of the rest of us had been progressively screwed over for one or two decades.


But actually, I would be ok with those 70 pages going down to a single payer option. But my guess is that suggestion alone would make you see red and spout off about socialism and such.
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I think we are failing to make a connection, I also saw those increase but they were minor compared to this. Now that is enough. lord
 
Rocketman said:
I think we are failing to make a connection, I also saw those increase but they were minor compared to this. Now that is enough. lord
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That is your experience. Millions of others have a different experience.

That is enough? :doh :lamo You realize how that sounds, right?;)
 
year2late said:
That is your experience. Millions of others have a different experience.

That is enough? :doh :lamo You realize how that sounds, right?;)
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I realize how you sound. You make the assumption that I have never seen a steep incease until now which is asinine on your part.
 
Rocketman said:
I realize how you sound. You make the assumption that I have never seen a steep incease until now which is asinine on your part.
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Well you certainly made it sound like every insurance issue you have is due to Obama and ACA.

Did you ever have a steep increase prior to ACA?
 
year2late said:
Well you certainly made it sound like every insurance issue you have is due to Obama and ACA.

Did you ever have a steep increase prior to ACA?
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Yes, but the worst one came after 26 year olds were added. The worst ones have been the last 6 years without a a doubt.

You know rewarding people for bad behavior as the administration has done while punishing hard working people that have maintained coverage all their lives is wrong.
 
year2late said:
Nobody else over the past 10 0r 15 years saw it coming either. This all started before Obama. Won't blame Bush either. It is a for profit insurance program with high overhead and greedy CEOS that bear the brunt of it.

Our plans have been priced up and stripped away for a very long time. At least now, when we get cancer or a serious disease we do not have to worry about being dumped. I can tell you some doozies about my friends cancer support group from about 10 plus years ago. There was an ongoing theme about how folks were either screwed out of coverage for "pseudo" pre-existing conditions or premium checks were "lost" or standard cancer treatment was disputed as "experimental".
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So is this going to be the narrative going forward? "It's okay if Obamacare wrecks everyone's private insurance because insurance was getting more expensive anyways?"
 
funny you dont mention the SUBSIDY, and max out of pocket you get with the ACA........

but thats right, your rich with over 400% of poverty income........so TFB for you.
 
year2late said:
But you act like many have not been facing crappier policies for more money ( as well as same level policies for MUCH higher premiums) for many years.

In addition to these higher priced crappier policies the insurance companies might just screw you over anyway. This was the direction insurance was going in this country PRE Obama.

Glad you had a sweet ride for years, but you were lucky. Millions of others not so much.

I have a friend with breast cancer that fought tooth and nail with her insurance company to get COVERED treatment. She went to a cancer support group and she was disgusted that a lot of the support they were receiving was not about death and dying - but how to fight insurance companies that were attempting to withhold approval for covered services. She survived her cancer and kept her house because a lawyer with terminal cancer in her support group used his remaining months sticking it to the insurance companies that were attempting NOT to give covered treatment.

But good for you for all those years of perfect premium health care insurance. Millions of the rest of us had been progressively screwed over for one or two decades.


But actually, I would be ok with those 70 pages going down to a single payer option. But my guess is that suggestion alone would make you see red and spout off about socialism and such.
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It is a shame that there are so many people that are happy with their current insurance mostly because they have never had a claim. This why we couldn't go to single payer, it would piss off people even more. They would get cheaper better coverage but they wouldn't even know it. All insurance is great when you never need them to pay out.
 
iguanaman said:
It is a shame that there are so many people that are happy with their current insurance mostly because they have never had a claim. This why we couldn't go to single payer, it would piss off people even more. They would get cheaper better coverage but they wouldn't even know it. All insurance is great when you never need them to pay out.
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You really never knew what kind of insurance you have until you have a serious claim. I was shocked when my friend told me (years back) that he cancer support group was dominated not by death and dying and body image issues....but by people who thought they had great insurance and all of a sudden were harassing them over covered treatment or attempts at dropping them due to magical pre-existing conditions.
 
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