Real Estate Gov. Ron DeSantis Backs Proposal To Eliminate Property Taxes in Florida

[Callen]

It is a dumb proposal.

Florida has no income tax, therefore a massive sales tax increase would be needed. A massive tax falling on the people least capable of paying a massive tax.

Services have to be paid for. If not property tax or income tax....how?

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Property taxes are an abomination. You basically have to pay rent to the government for life. I've known many people on fixed incomes who had to sell their homes because the couldn't afford to pay the rent demanded by rotten government.

There are ways this side of anarchy to solve that problem.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Services have to be paid for. If not property tax or income tax....how?

Probably a regressive tax policy. Sales tax, user fees, and the like.

 

[Callen]

Probably a regressive tax policy. Sales tax, user fees, and the like.

That ought really help FL tourism especially snow birds. So glad I'm outta here as a property owner

 

[Argent]

Without knowing your property's appraised value that doesn't mean much to the rest of us.

Real Market Value is $710,930; assessed value is $484,430. We get a 3% increase every year regardless of whether assessed value goes up or down. We copied that idea from California to ensure that people don't get taxed out of their houses.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

That ought really help FL tourism especially snow birds. So glad I'm outta here as a property owner

My brother-in-law sold his catamaran. I doubt I’ll ever go back.

 

[dmpi]

I'd love it but I don't see how they can do it. That funding has to come from somewhere.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Ugh. I live in a small city, pop. 86,000. Poverty rate is 13%.

I'm in the Hudson Valley. 40 or so miles NW of NYC. Was once rural but is suburban now but still some farms, horse farms in the area. Apple orchards are also plentiful. Good schools and resources, that's what I pay for. Thee high-school I graduated from had a planetarium as well as all the sports. Not cheap.

 

[ttwtt78640]

That does not compute. With a population of 23.37 million that's $32,500 per person annually. Have I misplaced a zero. or something?

Nope, and that seems crazy. IMHO, that $760B has to be wrong.

In a densely populated state like Florida, if policymakers wanted to eliminate property taxes, they would need to raise $43 billion (or $2,015 per capita) to maintain public services currently funded with property tax revenue. (See Figure 1.)[15] Moreover, in states that prohibit different types of taxation (e.g., nine states do not collect personal income taxes, including Florida), designing an equitable and balanced tax system is difficult. In Florida, eliminating property taxes would not only erode local fiscal autonomy — it would also exacerbate the state’s reliance on sales taxes, which disproportionately overburden families and workers with low to moderate income.

A Risky Proposition: Weakening Local Governments by Eliminating Property Tax Revenue

Local governments would struggle to fund police, fire, schools, and other crucial public services.

www.floridapolicy.org

 

[Argent]

I'm in the Hudson Valley. 40 or so miles NW of NYC. Was once rural but is suburban now but still some farms, horse farms in the area. Apple orchards are also plentiful. Good schools and resources, that's what I pay for. Thee high-school I graduated from had a planetarium as well as all the sports. Not cheap.

My part of the state is rural and part of the Greater Idaho Movement. A high school gym was destroyed 2 wks. ago when a snowfall of 12" collapsed the roof. We're still in recovery from a devastating wildfire that burned through 2 towns in 2020. Our high school students stay in the area and most are drop-in, drop-out at the University. They stay for a term or two then leave to earn money to go back. We're better than we were 10 years ago in some ways. As land becomes more expensive to the north, businesses are trickling down here.

 

[Allan]

That does not compute. With a population of 23.37 million that's $32,500 per person annually. Have I misplaced a zero. or something?

That might include commercial properties.

 

[Safiel]

Services have to be paid for. If not property tax or income tax....how?

VERY EASILY.

By leaving the existing property tax system in place and leaving it the **** alone.

It works fine at funding Florida local government.

A wise man once said, "if it ain't broke, don't **** with it."

 

[ttwtt78640]

In Florida, we have a Homestead Exemption. I won't bore you with the details, but for instance a $175,000 property that is homesteaded pys about $300 a year in property tax. The same property would about $2,000 a year if it were a rental or a second home.

Our 952 sq. ft. manufactured (mobile) home in Uhland, Texas is appraised at just under $38K and (after our homestead and senior exemptions) our annual property tax bill was just under $68. We pay far more annually to tag our tow vehicle (2002 Chevy Tahoe) and two work trailers (5’ x 8’ utility and 7’ x 16’ enclosed).

 

[Allan]

our annual property tax bill was just under $68.

Everyone hates you now.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Property taxes are an abomination. You basically have to pay rent to the government for life. I've known many people on fixed incomes who had to sell their homes because the couldn't afford to pay the rent demanded by rotten government.

Now think it through. I've known many people on fixed incomes who where saved from living on the streets because their property taxes were a hell of a lot cheaper then paying rent and paying not only for the landlords space but the landlords propety taxes.

I live in the Tidewater of Virginia. Our property taxes are about $4,800 a year. On the other hand a small apartment runs $1,200-$1,500 per month ($14,400 - $18,000 per year.

No thanks, I'd rather own the home and pay less per year.

WW

 

[ttwtt78640]

Everyone hates you now.

If it makes you any feel better, our 1/2 acre lot rent is (currently) $291/month (3,492/year).

 

[aociswundumho]

Now think it through. I've known many people on fixed incomes who where saved from living on the streets because their property taxes were a hell of a lot cheaper then paying rent and paying not only for the landlords space but the landlords propety taxes.

The government doesn't own the house that it's renting out. A landlord does own the house he's renting. The "services" government provides aren't anywhere near what they cost in taxes, which is what one would expect in a coercive monopoly situation.

I live in the Tidewater of Virginia. Our property taxes are about $4,800 a year.

$4800?

<cries even harder in lower fairfield county ct>

 

[aociswundumho]

H

How do you propose to fund government and public services?
Police
Sanitation
Fire
Parks
Licenses
Roads
Water
Sewer
Hospitals
Equipment
Various other stuff

Do you really believe I want the government to use my tax dollars to pay for occupational licenses? They are a particularly insidious kind of government regulation.

 

[Allan]

Do you really believe I want the government to use my tax dollars to pay for occupational licenses? They are a particularly insidious kind of government regulation.

Are you a sovereign citizen?

 

[Callen]

My avatar is my home..$3800 a year.....).

 

[aociswundumho]

sovereign citizen?

I'm not sure. I don't think we are morally obligated to obey the state. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[Allan]

My avatar is my home..$3800 a year.....).

Your house is really tiny!

Seriously though snow clearing costs have a big impact on taxes especially places like Winnipeg.

 

[Allan]

I'm not sure. I don't think we are morally obligated to obey the state. Do you agree or disagree?

Yeah you're a sovereign citizen.

 

[aociswundumho]

Yeah you're a sovereign citizen.

Yeah but you didn't answer the question. Gee I wonder why.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

I'm not sure. I don't think we are morally obligated to obey the state. Do you agree or disagree?

We're not morally obligated to "obey the state," but we are, to an extent, ethically obligated to do so.

Making the decision to disobey the state ("morally" or otherwise) requires, as a fundamental consideration, an acceptance of the possible consequences of that action.