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Real Estate Gov. Ron DeSantis Backs Proposal To Eliminate Property Taxes in Florida

aociswundumho said:
Finally. There's the problem. The idea that anyone is bound by some ridiculous "contract" the terms of which no one would actually agree to.
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TheDoctorWasIn said:
Fundamentally, the constant throughout the various "sovereign citizen movements" is the premise that their moral position can overcome society's ethical positions.
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Eliminating property taxes would defund public schools, and he hates public schools.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
The state can exert those consequences whether or not the individual agrees to it. That's how states work.
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Yes, that’s how they work, but that doesn’t mean they are morally correct. Sacrificing individuals for some abstract ‘common good’ is not morally justified.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
Fundamentally, the constant throughout the various "sovereign citizen movements" is the premise that their moral position can overcome society's ethical positions.
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This only works if they have explicitly granted their consent to the state. Otherwise it's based on coercion.
 
aociswundumho said:
Yes, that’s how they work, but that doesn’t mean they are morally correct.
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You're almost there.

My morals are different than yours. So are everyone else's. We'll all have a lot in common, but whether or not something is "morally correct" is a personal opinion, not a objective binary value.

aociswundumho said:
Sacrificing individuals for some abstract ‘common good’ is not morally justified.
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wut?
 
aociswundumho said:
This only works if they have explicitly granted their consent to the state. Otherwise it's based on coercion.
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No, it works that way anyway, no matter what your feelings are.

"I didn't sign it" isn't an out from the social contract. The law doesn't care if you agree with it.
 
Helix said:
Eliminating property taxes would defund public schools, and he hates public schools.
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About half of the American population reads at a 6th grade level. About 20% are illiterate. You can imagine their math skills are similar in development.

It's not like you didn't have enough time. Government-run schools have been around for over 300 years and this is the result.

How obvious does it have to be? The smart thing to do at this point would be to try something else.
 
aociswundumho said:
About half of the American population reads at a 6th grade level. About 20% are illiterate. You can imagine their math skills are similar in development.

It's not like you didn't have enough time. Government-run schools have been around for over 300 years and this is the result.

How obvious does it have to be? The smart thing to do at this point would be to try something else.
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That would sound like a great self congratulatory argument for destroying public education if I still watched faux. I don't. Good luck pulling yourself out.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
Fundamentally, the constant throughout the various "sovereign citizen movements" is the premise that their moral position can overcome society's ethical positions.
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I was thinking the constant is mental illness.
 
Something tells me Florida democrats won't contribute their own money to the state's coffers to make up for this.

Leftoids always "want" higher taxes....just on everyone else.
 
I think the 60% threshold requirement will prevent this stupidity from passing.

A vigorous ad campaign showing to voters how State sales taxes will soar without property taxes should be enough to kill this stupid proposal.
 
I suspect Florida will, if they haven't already, will squawk about cutting taxes...but somehow a whole raft of fees show up and old fees get increased for most government services...like tag renewal.

That's what former Gov. Ehrlich (R) did when he realized that he still needed to pay for his agenda. He hiked existing fees and created new ones...while touting "cutting taxes".
 
aociswundumho said:
About half of the American population reads at a 6th grade level. About 20% are illiterate. You can imagine their math skills are similar in development.

It's not like you didn't have enough time. Government-run schools have been around for over 300 years and this is the result.

How obvious does it have to be? The smart thing to do at this point would be to try something else.
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You have to see the humor in those here arguing the intrinsic ethical superiority of the Trump administration.
 
Captain Mars said:
That does not compute. With a population of 23.37 million that's $32,500 per person annually. Have I misplaced a zero. or something?
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Imagine what Disney pays? And nobody lives there.
 
aociswundumho said:
About half of the American population reads at a 6th grade level. About 20% are illiterate. You can imagine their math skills are similar in development.

It's not like you didn't have enough time. Government-run schools have been around for over 300 years and this is the result.

How obvious does it have to be? The smart thing to do at this point would be to try something else.
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The top ten PISA scoring countries, including Canada, Finland and Estonia, have government run schools.
The problem isn't 'the left' running schools, the problem is the right insisting that schools focus on producing proud, loyal citizens, not informed critical thinkers.
 
If Florida does this, the only alternative for revenue to the State is much higher sales tax (regressive,) higher taxation on vacation rentals and hotels (potentially harming tourism,) various licensure and infrastructure (airports and ports,) and ultimately throwing it at the Federal level to make up the difference.

They are not going to cut all that spending.
 
Eliminating property taxes altogether would force the government to seek taxes elsewhere to cover the shortfall. That means higher income taxes, sales taxes, etc. Those most affected by property taxes tend to be the ones with ownership in high-value real estate.
 
RdS is supporting/creating yet another way to transfer wealth from the poor to the wealthy. Sales taxes take proportionally more from the poor, while property taxes take more actual $'s from the wealthy (on average). If you look at most of the US conservative agenda, it supports increasing the wealth of the already wealthy at the expense of the poorer parts of society. All we need to do is let that agenda play out until the country is a collection of wealthy gated communities , abject poverty outside the gates. This appears to be the US conservative utopian goal. I've lived in a country like that, as one of the lucky ones, and absolutely hated seeing the poverty every time I had to leave home.
 
aociswundumho said:
That's all? Come to CT, where you will dream of the days of paying only $1000 a month to rent your home from the local government.
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Who should pay for the benefits of living in a community?
 
watsup said:
This is becoming pretty standard. The red states are ditching property taxes and income taxes in favor of sales tax which, of course, is the most regressive tax available to them since it hits those at the bottom of the economic scale as a greater percentage of their income. Always screw those at the bottom while reducing taxes on the uber-wealthy is their constant credo.
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So it's already at 6 percent. What will it have to go up to for it to make up for this shortfall? 20 percent.
 
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