Racist Paedophile ring [W:348 & 389]

[Andalublue]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

I feel, the danger--is we still do not get the step change needed, for fear of being called 'it's racist' to tackle said communities.

It depends on what you mean by 'targeting said communities', Paul. Target them with what? Target them by ascribing some kind of collective blame might well stray towards dangerous ground. But targeting suspects from that community, as one would suspects from any community, without pandering or applying over-sensitive methods would seem only correct. It might also be worth connecting with the community leaders, and at more of a street level with younger members of the Pakistani population to examine, address and educate on fairly fundamental issues of respect for women, intolerance of extreme sexual aggression and on the importance of integration and co-existence.

Scapegoating an entire ethnic community for the aberrant behaviour of a few criminals would seem to me to be counter-productive, and you have to be very careful to make the distinction between 'targeting', however you wish to do it, and 'scapegoating' very clear indeed.

 

[Grant]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

It depends on what you mean by 'targeting said communities', Paul. Target them with what? Target them by ascribing some kind of collective blame might well stray towards dangerous ground. But targeting suspects from that community, as one would suspects from any community, without pandering or applying over-sensitive methods would seem only correct. It might also be worth connecting with the community leaders, and at more of a street level with younger members of the Pakistani population to examine, address and educate on fairly fundamental issues of respect for women, intolerance of extreme sexual aggression and on the importance of integration and co-existence.

Scapegoating an entire ethnic community for the aberrant behaviour of a few criminals would seem to me to be counter-productive, and you have to be very careful to make the distinction between 'targeting', however you wish to do it, and 'scapegoating' very clear indeed.

Yes, we must be very careful not to offend ethnic communities when young girls are being 'groomed' and raped. That must be the first priority.

 

[Wiggen]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

Sorry but your convoluted logic makes no sense. If a white Brit goes to Thailand and rapes young girls over there it doesnt make him a racist pedo but if a Pakistani Brit rapes white Brit girls then he is a racist because he aims to brutalize them because whites are inferior? Is that your logic?

Who says the Brit isn't a racist? If his purpose in going to Thailand is purely to rape young girls because he considers them racially inferior and therefore worthy of being raped, then he's a racist.

Try again.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

Well, people can certainly see what you are up to in this thread

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/137961-britain-victims-political-correctness.html

Now, I realize that as a person who has been the #1 supporter of Sharia courts operating in Britain even after it has been pointed out how they discriminate against women that you have a wee bit of a problem seeing women as equal to men, and I realize you will stop at nothing by way of trying to obscure the fact it is your fellow Muslims who are degrading British girls like they are, but my most sincere hope is that a few more Brits out there will say "enough is enough" to your crap. You are used to bullying your way to get whatever you want but it is time for people to start saying "no". No to your sharia. No to your misogyny. No to your intimidation.

You weren't able to bully Lizzie when you called her out, so you resorted to caling out Pinkie who is no longer here to defend herself, so you obviously have problems with women. That is the most telling facet of these threads in that it really tells people what you are all about. You may couch your rhetotic in all sorts of weasely double talk to indicate yours is a soft Islamism rather than hard and you are working towards a gradual undermining of Britain instead of a violent one, but all you are doing is acting the role of the good cop to the the hard Islamists bad cop in this routine. It's pretty effing obvious what you are up to, though.

These rapes were commited by Muslims targeting vulnerable British girls, they were widespread, they represent attitudes that are endemic to much of Briton's Muslim population, they are the product of hatred of the values of the host community, and they have been enabled through the very sort of intimidation you practice regularly.

All you seem capable of is repeating old lies. I asked you a question about the CPS and no response (didn't think you would) as you knew the lie about a "rape jihad" and "trying desperately to make this a white problem" would not be backed up by the facts.

However, a few years ago when the chorus of lies that muslims were responsible for the majority of rapes / majority of child sexual abuse came out I challenged this. You got your butt kicked and have been sore ever since. Andy and Manc Skipper have posted links to the actual figures which is that white males in the UK are responsible for approximately 80 - 90% of sexual abuse of children. No rape jihad but that doesn't suit you - so instead, you deflect with lies and attack. We have a serious problem in some areas where Pakistani muslims - seemingly taxi-drivers mostly - are picking up vulnerable young girls and grooming them. Nobody has denied this - what is denied is that it's a rape jihad or that these guys are responsible for the majority of sexual abuse against children.

Now, I expect you to conveniently ignore this and continue to lie about me. You and "your posse" who remain too blinded to see that actual statistics mean more than fake links from hate websites will never understand the basic facts.

You're just not worth my getting myself threadbanned for anymore - you posted false facts and you have fooled some people but I will simply continue to expose your lies when you dare post them.

 

[PoS]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

Who says the Brit isn't a racist? If his purpose in going to Thailand is purely to rape young girls because he considers them racially inferior and therefore worthy of being raped, then he's a racist.

Try again.

Where in the news reports did it say that the Pakistanis raped the underage girls because they were racially inferior?

 

[Wiggen]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

I don't know, just a conclusion reached based on the race of the perpetrators, the race of the victims, and the Koran's teachings about how 'infidel' women are to be treated. But you are right - perhaps it was just a coincidence that all of the victims were white and the rapists were Pakistani Muslims. Maybe there were no Pakistani women available to be raped.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

-- perhaps it was just a coincidence that all of the victims were white

They weren't.

-- and the rapists were Pakistani Muslims.

They weren't just Pakistani muslims

-- Maybe there were no Pakistani women available to be raped.

There were female Pakistani victims too.

Has nobody here actually read the report itself? That's the second time I've linked it.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

Page 94

Pakistani-heritage Women and Girls
11.14 One of the local Pakistani women's groups described how Pakistani-heritage girls
were targeted by taxi drivers and on occasion by older men lying in wait outside
school gates at dinner times and after school. They also cited cases in Rotherham
where Pakistani landlords had befriended Pakistani women and girls on their own for
purposes of sex, then passed on their name to other men who had then contacted
them for sex. The women and girls feared reporting such incidents to the Police
because it would affect their future marriage prospects.

Later:

11.16 The Deputy Children's Commissioner’s report reached a similar conclusion to the
Muslim Women's Network research, stating 'one of these myths was that only white
girls are victims of sexual exploitation by Asian or Muslim males, as if these men only
abuse outside of their own community, driven by hatred and contempt for white
females. This belief flies in the face of evidence that shows that those who violate
children are most likely to target those who are closest to them and most easily
accessible.' The Home Affairs Select Committee quoted witnesses saying that cases
of Asian men grooming Asian girls did not come to light because victims 'are often
alienated and ostracised by their own families and by the whole community, if they go
public with allegations of abuse.'

 

[Manc Skipper]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

I'm afraid your attempt to inject some reality is falling on deaf ears, IC, they don't want to know.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

I'm afraid your attempt to inject some reality is falling on deaf ears, IC, they don't want to know.

29 effin pages of lies and contempt for truth and statistics.

 

[Andalublue]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

I'm afraid your attempt to inject some reality is falling on deaf ears, IC, they don't want to know.

29 effin pages of lies and contempt for truth and statistics.

You can hardly say we haven't been here before.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

You can hardly say we haven't been here before.

What is it that makes people look at crystal clear facts and reports and then blindly continue to assert a twisted version of truth which can only be defended by using the tactic of smear and attack and the inevitably predictable response of - "apologia," "white man's burden," "political correctness?"

 

[Grant]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

When I saw a report about it on tv, they said several approaches to invistigate after first clues were known were halted, because the authorities were afraid of being accused of "racism". If that's true, that finally one example when it's legitimate to complain about "political correctness running amok".

I'm not sure if the Asians responsible for these deeds are "racists", or if it would be more appropriate finding another term, but obviously ethnicity did play a role here. Absolutely despicable.

The Hindu community was certainly not concerned about being called 'racist', and good for them..

 

[Grant]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

I'm afraid your attempt to inject some reality is falling on deaf ears, IC, they don't want to know.

In fact there have been any on these boards, including me, who have spoken out against the treatment of women and girls by Muslim men. The most common response to this is 'not all Muslims are __________. Fill in the bank.

 

[Grant]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

You can hardly say we haven't been here before.

Is that surprising when the problems still continue? Do you want the discussion of female abuse by Muslim men to end? That may stop when the abuse stops, and that could take a while.

 

[Andalublue]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

What is it that makes people look at crystal clear facts and reports and then blindly continue to assert a twisted version of truth which can only be defended by using the tactic of smear and attack and the inevitably predictable response of - "apologia," "white man's burden," "political correctness?"

Because when facts come into conflict with their prejudices it creates a cognitive dissonance and it's easier to either attack the facts or ignore them rather than to reconsider their preconceived dogma. the fact that such preconceived dogma is based on ignorance of the society they are observing doesn't really make any difference.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

-- a cognitive dissonance --

Haha, should have added that to my list of defence phrases that gets thrown out when cornered.

In fact there have been any on these boards, including me, who have spoken out against the treatment of women and girls by Muslim men. The most common response to this is 'not all Muslims are __________. Fill in the bank.

If it's that common - you'll easily be able to prove this with a link?

I shouldn't have to wait 4 days before a brave response as I had when a hate site was posted in response to my request for facts backing up a rape jihad...

 

[Gardener]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

All you seem capable of is repeating old lies. I asked you a question about the CPS and no response (didn't think you would) as you knew the lie about a "rape jihad" and "trying desperately to make this a white problem" would not be backed up by the facts.

However, a few years ago when the chorus of lies that muslims were responsible for the majority of rapes / majority of child sexual abuse came out I challenged this. You got your butt kicked and have been sore ever since. Andy and Manc Skipper have posted links to the actual figures which is that white males in the UK are responsible for approximately 80 - 90% of sexual abuse of children. No rape jihad but that doesn't suit you - so instead, you deflect with lies and attack. We have a serious problem in some areas where Pakistani muslims - seemingly taxi-drivers mostly - are picking up vulnerable young girls and grooming them. Nobody has denied this - what is denied is that it's a rape jihad or that these guys are responsible for the majority of sexual abuse against children.

Now, I expect you to conveniently ignore this and continue to lie about me. You and "your posse" who remain too blinded to see that actual statistics mean more than fake links from hate websites will never understand the basic facts.

You're just not worth my getting myself threadbanned for anymore - you posted false facts and you have fooled some people but I will simply continue to expose your lies when you dare post them.

There is a section of this forum dedicated to these sorts of playground antics. Did you not know of it?

This isn't a group activity, though, as you seemed inordinately preoccupied with making it so, what with how you "butt kicked" me with the help of your underlings, and always going on and on about my much imagined following and whatnot. Since you have chosen women, especially, to call out and try to bully, were you thinking here that I had some sort of harem and so this elicits some primal cultural imperative in you or something? It seems most odd.

As to your statistics, I already explained how to interpret them in that thread two years ago by using the sort of basic math that American children learn by the time they are ten years old. In that thread you tried to claim that statistics revealing that if only 1/3 of a group has been identified by ethnicity, and only 49% of the group thus identified were white, that somehow meant the majority was white. What a ludicrous conclusion considering the true figure could be as low as 1/6 white not even factoring in the relative populations involved or the very real tendency to gloss over the ethnicity because they are Muslim as has been revealed to be the modus operandi of the very people whose inactivity is responsible for enabling this epidemic of child rape to begin with. . Now, just because you can find other people who lack the math proficiency necessary to understand how to interpret numbers, this does not mean your fallacious interpretation is correct. It just means that they are as improficient in math as you are.

I'm thinking here that if the schools in your culture would teach a little more basic math and a lot less cultural supremacy, the whole world might be better off.

 

[Baltim]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

You're right that major paedophile cases are not being ignored per se, although the Westminster ring seems to have conveniently disappeared, but what is ignored when discussing the other rings is the religion and ethnicity of perpetrators. When paedophile priests were being unearthed at a rate of knots a few years ago now, so many people falling over themselves to point out how this was an aberration from the Catholic faith. Here you'd get the distinct idea that the behaviour of the gang in Rotherham is an inevitable consequence of having Pakistani Moslems living amongst us. You must have been reading those claiming seriously that it's fairly mainstream Moslem belief that rape can be a form of jihad. WTF?

I did see that yes, and I disagreed with it earlier in this thread.

You see, I don't believe, although I'm sure this will emerge at trial, that the criminals in Rotherham were targetting any particular race - they just went for what was available and that, in a borough where 93.2% of the population are white, is almost certain to be white.

You're quite right, we have to be doubly vigilant, first to stamp out the behaviour, address the attitudes that cause it to happen and root out every last person who seeks to abuse the most vulnerable kids. No fear, no favour and no special treatment for any social or ethnic minority. Secondly, we have to protect those people who are likely to be the innocent victims of any hysterical and misinformed vigilante backlash. What's the betting there will be an increase in assaults on Asian shop-owners, 'Paki-bashing' sprees and fire-bombings of Mosques in the coming months? Rotherham's Moslem community must be feeling both shame and fear at the moment. There are fewer than 10,000 Moslems in the borough, they'll make an easy target.[/QUOTE]

You're right that there could be a backlash against the wider Muslim community. I do hope not.

 

[Andalublue]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

This isn't a group activity, though, as you seemed inordinately preoccupied with making it so, what with how you "destroyed" me with the help of your underlings, and always going on and on about my much imagined following and whatnot.

Did you run this by Grant, mbig and Wiggen before posting?

 

[Andalublue]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

I did see that yes, and I disagreed with it earlier in this thread.

I must have missed that. Sorry.

You're in Bradford right? What's your impression of how feelings are running in both the Asian and non-Asian communities of the city? Rotherham's not that far away, I'm sure this must all be having an impact across S. and W. Yorkshire, isn't it?

 

[Gardener]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

Did you run this by Grant, mbig and Wiggen before posting?

I don't reference them when I am so insecure in my positions that I need the troops behind me. I don't do that stupid group thing.

 

[Andalublue]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

I don't do that stupid group thing.

No Gardener, sure you don't. :roll: There's that cognitive dissonance again, or maybe it's the air conditioner buzzing.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

What is it that makes people look at crystal clear facts and reports and then blindly continue to assert a twisted version of truth which can only be defended by using the tactic of smear and attack and the inevitably predictable response of - "apologia," "white man's burden," "political correctness?"

There is a section of this forum dedicated to these sorts of playground antics. Did you not know of it?

This isn't a group activity, though, as you seemed inordinately preoccupied with making it so, what with how you "butt kicked" me with the help of your underlings, and always going on and on about my much imagined following and whatnot. Since you have chosen women, especially, to call out and try to bully, were you thinking here that I had some sort of harem and so this elicits some primal cultural imperative in you or something? It seems most odd.

As to your statistics, I already explained how to interpret them in that thread two years ago by using the sort of basic math that American children learn by the time they are ten years old. In that thread you tried to claim that statistics revealing that if only 1/3 of a group has been identified by ethnicity, and only 49% of the group thus identified were white, that somehow meant the majority was white. What a ludicrous conclusion considering the true figure could be as low as 1/6 white not even factoring in the relative populations involved or the very real tendency to gloss over the ethnicity because they are Muslim as has been revealed to be the modus operandi of the very people whose inactivity is responsible for enabling this epidemic of child rape to begin with. . Now, just because you can find other people who lack the math proficiency necessary to understand how to interpret numbers, this does not mean your fallacious interpretation is correct. It just means that they are as improficient in math as you are.

I'm thinking here that if the schools in your culture would teach a little more basic math and a lot less cultural supremacy, the whole world might be better off.

The CPS and government statistics just flew right by your head didn't they - just another inconvenient truth to ignore.

Dogmatism at its finest.

 

[Gardener]

re: Racist Paedophile ring [W:348]

No Gardener, sure you don't. :roll: There's that cognitive dissonance again, or maybe it's the air conditioner buzzing.

Have you considered improving your deficient math skills instead of just saying whatever comes into your head?