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Racial Pride & Double Standards (1 Viewer)

StillBallin75 said:
You haven't seen his threads on Nazis and the Holocaust?
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Okay... just looked at some of his posts. He actually started a thread called "National Socialism" which means he's one of two things...


1) A stormfront asshat; or,
2) A sock puppet trying to smear real socialism by equating it with fascism.​
 
mike2810 said:
That is such a non answer. the same could be said that every month is black,asian,hispanic month. We are a nation made up from many ethnic backgrounds.
When is the last time you say on tv an announcement of lets celibrate "white" history month. Look at what Einstein did for the world.
Yet its seems I have seen black history, hispanic history anouncements. If one was done for "white" history. I will bet the network would get negative responses from non white groups.

IMO, you are either an American or not. It is not needed to state African-American, Hispanic-American, German-American, Itialian-American. Yes, respect your roots and history, but remember the rights and freedom America offers you. We don't need to point out and celebrate a particular ethnic group. America is a blend of many.
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Hey, for those of us who have heritage that started here before we were officially a country, does that make us American Americans?? lol
 
00timh said:
Hey, for those of us who have heritage that started here before we were officially a country, does that make us American Americans?? lol
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Well if it was before America was America, then technically that makes you unAmerican... and I knew it AAALLLLLLL along.
 
poweRob said:
Well if it was before America was America, then technically that makes you unAmerican... and I knew it AAALLLLLLL along.
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Great, now I feel like chapelle when he was a black blind kkk and then found out he was black lol.
 
Stillballin said:
Great! Mind showing us where you got these numbers?
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Okay, you want to take the anecdotal challenge?

You go and find stories about blacks being charged with a hate crime. For every 1 you find, I'll find 10 of the reverse. We'll see whose options are exhausted quicker.
 
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Deuce said:
Every month is white history month.

The double standard you perceive does not exist. Nobody is calling you a racist for having pride in the accomplishments of Albert Einstein.
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He wouldn't be proud of Einstein. Einstein is a Jew.
 
The main crux of this issue to me is this:

"You can be proud of your race, but if you dare say you're proud of your white/Anglo/whatever race, you're racist."

Being black, unlike others, I can see the utter hypocrisy in that. Why can't all races be proud? But even further, why should you be proud of something you were born with, that was totally out of your control? If I was short should I be proud? How about if I was very tall? Should I be proud for being born with hazel/olive eyes? There are questions that need to be answered, imo.
 
Wake said:
We must apply everything equally to all races. Either all races can be proud, or none. When you break the simple concept of true equality, you undoubtedly prefer/discriminate against people.
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And of course that would make perfect sense if all races had been treated equally from day one. However, blacks - over the last 400 years or so in this country - were owned as animals for 250 of those years, then discriminated against both legally and culturally for the next 100. And now you want to assume that everybody started on the same foot and therefore everybody ought to be happy.

Blacks have black history month and black organizations because for most of the history of the United States they have been treated - and told - that they were inferior beings. More power to them.
 
Wiggen said:
And of course that would make perfect sense if all races had been treated equally from day one. However, blacks - over the last 400 years or so in this country - were owned as animals for 250 of those years, then discriminated against both legally and culturally for the next 100. And now you want to assume that everybody started on the same foot and therefore everybody ought to be happy.

Blacks have black history month and black organizations because for most of the history of the United States they have been treated - and told - that they were inferior beings. More power to them.
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So? So what if bad things happened many, many years ago. We're in freaking 2012. Get the hell over it. You don't see me moaning about how my great-great-great-grandfather was a slave. Oh, and for the record, there are many "white" people here who had nothing to do with what happened in the past. There were many white people who fought in the past against slavery, and many white people who helped black people out in the past. There are also many black people here who had nothing to do with the past. Black/white, they came here from other parts of the world. Furthermore, blacks weren't the only race that had bad things happen to them in the past, so why should they receive top focus? Also, there are many successful black people today BECAUSE there are white people that helped them. My uncle's a scientist. He doesn't cry and moan about how the white man keeps him down. Seriously, it's getting really freaking old. I'm responsible FOR MYSELF. I don't try to use history as a crutch.

If white people want to be proud of being white, just as any other race gets to be proud of being their race, then let them the **** do so.
 
It was the sense of white superiority that caused the false pretense for enslaving an destroying the thousands of civilisations throughout Asia, The America's, and Africa. It was because they thought themselves as pure white Christians, that gave them the authority to rule over all other races and discriminate.
 
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Graffias said:
Why is it acceptable for the colored races (blacks, Hispanics, Pakistanis, etc.) to have pride in the accomplishments of their people, but it is considered racist for white people to do so? Whites make up little more than 10% of the world's population, yet have arguably contributed as much if not more to the development of civilization as the other individual races. Why can't there be a White History Month? Why can't one wear a shirt that says "White is beautiful" without being labeled a bigot or extremist?
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I just saw this thread, so my answer has probably been covered already, but I'll say it anyway since I think juvenile arguments and questions like this are easily answered.

Question: Why do groups start "pride" movements?

If you pay attention, the answer is clear: they form them in response to actual or perceived marginalization in society. White pride groups perceive themselves to be marginalized by minorities, policies like Affirmative Action and immigration. Black pride groups perceive themselves to be marginalized by past and current discrimination, government policies that target blacks, the bias of history books, portrayals of blacks in the media, the dominance of white artists in the entertainment industry and so on.

From this explanation alone it seems that white pride movements should be as socially acceptable as black pride movements and other minority pride movements. However, there is one difference between the perceived marginalization that explains why they aren't: Marginalization of blacks is real and marginalization of whites is not. Consequently, the public is less sympathetic with people who claim to be marginalized but aren't (white people) and more sympathetic with those who claim to be marginalized but are (black people).
 
MadLib said:
I don't remember anyone saying that.
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Well, you're kind of right__Apparently you don't know how this works__Please allow me to explain.

Pay attention now__When someone says something ridiculous, I exaggerate it to stress a point.

Silly me thought this was so obvious that a child could figure it out__Ha-Ha, guess I'll never learn.
 
I guess St. Patty's day is to celebrate all those black Irish folk. Thanksgiving for all those black puritan pilgrims. Jolly old black St. Nick.

I keep saying this but there are a lot of people who are in need of help. So many so that we can really do without people who are not in need trying to volunteer themselves as a victim.
 
Empirica said:
Well, you're kind of right__Apparently you don't know how this works__Please allow me to explain.

Pay attention now__When someone says something ridiculous, I exaggerate it to stress a point.

Silly me thought this was so obvious that a child could figure it out__Ha-Ha, guess I'll never learn.
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Apparently you are still confusing the Basement to the actual debate rooms upstairs (frankly, when you do post there there is exactly zero difference in your behavior). If you need help finding the Basement I'd be more than happy to direct you to it.

I knew you were exaggerating, but nobody is saying that white people are evil. The whole point of people getting mad at white pride events is that they are traditionally supremacist (KKK, Stormfront, Neo-Nazism); in addition, white people have a lot of history to be ashamed of. I have no bone to pick with white pride, but the idea that the OP is someone who believes that the races are equal is absurd.

The most anybody is saying is that white people need to sit in the corner a little bit before they can go, "Hey, look at me, I'm white!" As soon as there is true equality, white people stop denying that racism ever happened, end supremacy at their parades, and they admit that they could have been at fault, then they can party 'till they puke.
 
Goshin said:
Truth? Because white folks pretty much whupped everyone else's ass for the past 500 years, and are now supposed to sit quietly and be ashamed of their exploitation of everybody else. Whites are not supposed to take pride in their race's accomplishments because whitey wasn't nice to everybody and didn't play well with others. That's pretty much it.
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I know it's so messed up that white people can't celebrate the fact that they enslaved people, committed genocide, raped and pillaged other countries, damned people's lives to hell, and stole people's land, just to mention a couple of things. (If you wanna generalize it into things "whitey" did)
 
Mr. Invisible said:
I know it's so messed up that white people can't celebrate the fact that they enslaved people, committed genocide, raped and pillaged other countries, damned people's lives to hell, and stole people's land, just to mention a couple of things. (If you wanna generalize it into things "whitey" did)
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I never enslaved anyone. Please point out where any modern white person did anything of the sort.
 
Wake said:
The main crux of this issue to me is this:

"You can be proud of your race, but if you dare say you're proud of your white/Anglo/whatever race, you're racist."

Being black, unlike others, I can see the utter hypocrisy in that. Why can't all races be proud? But even further, why should you be proud of something you were born with, that was totally out of your control? If I was short should I be proud? How about if I was very tall? Should I be proud for being born with hazel/olive eyes? There are questions that need to be answered, imo.
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I think people are overlooking where the ''I'm proud'' came from. The saying I'm black and I'm proud was big in the 70's(I'm assuming that's where the statement originated) b/c during that time (and before) people looked at blacks like they were less than...... less pretty, less articulate, less worthy, less financially stable, etc. Some blacks had low self esteem b/c of how they were ''perceived''. So when I hear the whole I'm black and I'm proud, I hear it coming from a place saying;

''I'm the same as you, I may be different but I am no better or no worse than you''
 
herenow1 said:
I think people are overlooking where the ''I'm proud'' came from. The saying I'm black and I'm proud was big in the 70's(I'm assuming that's where the statement originated) b/c during that time (and before) people looked at blacks like they were less than...... less pretty, less articulate, less worthy, less financially stable, etc. Some blacks had low self esteem b/c of how they were ''perceived''. So when I hear the whole I'm black and I'm proud, I hear it coming from a place saying;

''I'm the same as you, I may be different but I am no better or no worse than you''
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While I think you're largely right, that's where it came from, it's changed dramatically since that time. What was once "I'm black and I'm proud" has turned into "I'm proud because I'm black". It's a fundamental change in attitude that just having a particular skin color is all you need to be proud, you don't have to actually make anything of yourself, the amount of melanin in your skin is all you need to feed your ego.

It shouldn't be.
 
Cephus said:
While I think you're largely right, that's where it came from, it's changed dramatically since that time. What was once "I'm black and I'm proud" has turned into "I'm proud because I'm black". It's a fundamental change in attitude that just having a particular skin color is all you need to be proud, you don't have to actually make anything of yourself, the amount of melanin in your skin is all you need to feed your ego.

It shouldn't be.
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It hasn't changed. That's exactly what it's about. The majority of images blacks see as beautiful, powerful, special, important, etc are those of whites. It's difficult to maintain a belief that you are equal if the world around you says that you are only equal if you're white or resemble white. There is a reason beyond simple style that tells black women to douse their heads with harsh caustic chemicals so it can resemble straight hair.
 
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