question: isn't REQUIRING a sonogram before an abortion

[tessaesque]

Hmmm... 50% of the births on medicaid?? Seems to me some serious pushing of safe sex would save the state some serious money.. I am quite certian that a condomn is a lot cheaper than a child birth.. Pushing safe sex would also help in the other areas.. Like reduce teem pregnancy.. Not to mention reduce the number of abortions.. It just makes me wonder why some people are against it?? Just saying..

Or, ya know, in a state where we're actually hiring and have thousands of available jobs maybe we encourage people to get a damn job and take care of themselves if they're gonna have kids.

 

[mac]

So do you or do you not have a problem with 50% of births in Texas being on medicaid?

You never actually answered the question.

I did, I said:

Condsidering how well Texas is doing economically as compared to the rest of the states, why would we?

That means, no. I don't have a problem with it.

 

[winston53660]

I did, I said:



That means, no. I don't have a problem with it.

Okay that is a direct answer, TY. I'm glad you support this government program. recently it has saved my life.

I am very concerned though about our high teen pregnancy rate and I think our politicians in Austin are throwing good money at bad solutions purely out of ideology.

 

[mac]

Okay that is a direct answer, TY. I'm glad you support this government program. recently it has saved my life.

I am very concerned though about our high teen pregnancy rate and I think our politicians in Austin are throwing good money at bad solutions purely out of ideology.

What do you think is causing the high teen pregnancy rate?

 

[winston53660]

What do you think is causing the high teen pregnancy rate?

I think it would take a doctoral thesis to even begin to approach that.

I do think however we do need to have comprehensive sex education and I do think low cost contraception should be readily and easily accessible.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

Abstract or not, the sound of the heart beat is pretty powerful. Have you ever heard it?

Yep. By choice. A woman seeking an abortion shouldn't be forced to hear it, just as a woman giving a child up for adoption shouldn't be forced to hold it.

 

[winston53660]

Abstract or not, the sound of the heart beat is pretty powerful. Have you ever heard it?

Quite a few times on a echocardiogram utilizing the Doppler method to aid in determining ejection fraction. It actually sounds like something out of a sci-fi movie.

 

[mac]

I think it would take a doctoral thesis to even begin to approach that.

I do think however we do need to have comprehensive sex education and I do think low cost contraception should be readily and easily accessible.

I agree entirely.

 

[mac]

Yep. By choice. A woman seeking an abortion shouldn't be forced to hear it, just as a woman giving a child up for adoption shouldn't be forced to hold it.

She should have every right to ignore the proceedings, however, the sonogram should be required.

 

[mac]

Quite a few times on a echocardiogram utilizing the Doppler method to aid in determining ejection fraction. It actually sounds like something out of a sci-fi movie.

Funny, I've heard it many times, and it sounds like a heart beating to me.

 

[StillBallin75]

What do you think is causing the high teen pregnancy rate?

The high teen screwing rate.

 

[tessaesque]

The high teen screwing rate.

I LOL'd.

10 characters.

 

[mac]

I LOL'd.

10 characters.

I did too.

 

[winston53660]

Funny, I've heard it many times, and it sounds like a heart beating to me.

I think it really depends on what is being looked at. The machine has different settings for different diagnostic tools. This is not the exact sound hear but it is the right condition:

 

[StillBallin75]

I think it really depends on what is being looked at. The machine has different settings for different diagnostic tools. This is not the exact sound hear but it is the right condition:

Huh...interesting, I hate to say it but it almost sounds completely alien.

 

[winston53660]

Huh...interesting, I hate to say it but it almost sounds completely alien.

The medical technology is really amazing. I've been told heart transplant but as bridge they talking something called an LVAD. It is a pump that takes over for your left ventricle.

 

[StillBallin75]

The medical technology is really amazing. I've been told heart transplant but as bridge they talking something called an LVAD. It is a pump that takes over for your left ventricle.

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Well I hope you get everything sorted out and that you end up ok Winston.

 

[winston53660]

Well I hope you get everything sorted out and that you end up ok Winston.

It is an experience that is for sure

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

She should have every right to ignore the proceedings, however, the sonogram should be required.

You still haven't really explained why it should be required.

You brought up the point that the woman in question should have the opportunity to judge the humanity of the fetus. Having the opportunity to do so is a far cry from having that opportunity thrust into your face with the force of law.

 

[mac]

I think it really depends on what is being looked at. The machine has different settings for different diagnostic tools. This is not the exact sound hear but it is the right condition:

That sounds nothing at all like any of the ultrasounds I heard through any of our five pregnancies.

 

[mac]

You still haven't really explained why it should be required.

You brought up the point that the woman in question should have the opportunity to judge the humanity of the fetus. Having the opportunity to do so is a far cry from having that opportunity thrust into your face with the force of law.

I did explain exactly why I think it should be required.

 

[winston53660]

That sounds nothing at all like any of the ultrasounds I heard through any of our five pregnancies.

Pfft I do five heart ultra sounds (echocardiograms) a year. :2razz:

In my case they are looking for something different and are trying to determine the ejection fraction of my left ventricle. They are actually listening to the blood flow through the heart. That information then gets visualized.

 

[tessaesque]

I'm sure I'll win no points with pro-lifers, but I watched the ultrasound during my pre-abortion exam. The tech (not a doctor, doctors don't typically do them) pointed out what was what, and showed the heartbeat flicker. I was 10 weeks, and the fetus looked like a kidney bean. It didn't change my mind and didn't make the decision any more difficult than it already was. I actually even took a copy of the sonogram image home and still have it stored away in my memories box. At no point in time during the process did I breeze through it, it was never easy, it never felt "good", and it wasn't something I was able to emotionally separate from. I didn't view it as birth control, I didn't view it as murder, and I certainly recognized that the fetus would eventually be a baby. I knew what I was doing before the ultrasound and I knew what I was doing after.

You want to know what was hardest about the whole thing? Sitting in the waiting room next to a 16 year old girl whose mother was forcing her to have the procedure done. Waiting for two hours next to her while she cried and pleaded with her mother about broke my heart. I'm all for women making their own decisions, and nobody should be forced to make one that they aren't comfortable with. That girl was miserable and I'm betting her relationship with her mother was damaged forever in the process. I still feel parents should be involved in the process, but they should not be dictating what the child can and cannot do.

 

[winston53660]

I'm sure I'll win no points with pro-lifers, but I watched the ultrasound during my pre-abortion exam. The tech (not a doctor, doctors don't typically do them) pointed out what was what, and showed the heartbeat flicker. I was 10 weeks, and the fetus looked like a kidney bean. It didn't change my mind and didn't make the decision any more difficult than it already was. I actually even took a copy of the sonogram image home and still have it stored away in my memories box. At no point in time during the process did I breeze through it, it was never easy, it never felt "good", and it wasn't something I was able to emotionally separate from. I didn't view it as birth control, I didn't view it as murder, and I certainly recognized that the fetus would eventually be a baby. I knew what I was doing before the ultrasound and I knew what I was doing after.

I find it ironic that anti-choicers are attempting to employ via State law people that work in abortion clinics to carry out their ideological stance. Peoople that work in an abortion clinic are not exactly on the same ideological page as them.

You want to know what was hardest about the whole thing? Sitting in the waiting room next to a 16 year old girl whose mother was forcing her to have the procedure done. Waiting for two hours next to her while she cried and pleaded with her mother about broke my heart. I'm all for women making their own decisions, and nobody should be forced to make one that they aren't comfortable with. That girl was miserable and I'm betting her relationship with her mother was damaged forever in the process. I still feel parents should be involved in the process, but they should not be dictating what the child can and cannot do.

That is terrible.

 

[TacticalEvilDan]

I did explain exactly why I think it should be required.

No, you haven't. Your justification could just as easily be satisfied by offering the woman in question the opportunity to view a sonogram, rather than requiring her to ignore it.