Pulling out of Syria, good or bad decision?

[snakestretcher]

It's a betrayal of our allies. The "leaker", which did no AmeriCAN a favor letting the world know our President's private conversation, did make an accurate point: "The U.S. national security has entered a state of increased danger for decades to come". On the world stage the Kurds are about as inconsequential as it gets, but now, EVERY ONE of our Allies have to be wondering what being our ally means, if anything.

This isn't the first time an ally has been betrayed; the US and Britain conspired between them to minimise and effectively delete Poland's massive contribution to the war effort in WW2 by forbidding Polish forces to be included in the V.E. Day march past celebrations. And all to appease our new 'ally', Stalin who was gifted half of Poland as his reward.

Why did it take 60 long years for Poles to join the Victory Parade? – Polish at heart

 

[jnug]

why, exactly, can't other nato nation's supply those (allegedly critical) 1000 boots on the ground?

because they are not the acknowledged leader of the free world!!

But I know I am just opening the door for you to tell me that position does not matter to Trumpettes. Good....I don't care it doesn't matter to you because its an oblivious position for Trumpettes to take and there is no arguing or debating against an oblivious position.

 

[ttwtt78640]

WTF are you talking about? You act as though the US was the only nation doing anything in Syria. Is that what your domestic propaganda machine is telling you?

Operation Shader - Wikipedia

Operation Chammal - Wikipedia

OK, what makes it "our turn" forever? Surely, at least one other NATO nation (Germany or Italy?) could manage to replace those 1000 troops for a decade or two. You make it sound like the US is the only nation capable of doing anything in Syria requiring such a huge force as 100 to 1000 troops.

 

[jnug]

OK, what makes it "our turn" forever? Surely, at least one other NATO nation (Germany or Italy?) could manage to replace those 1000 troops for a decade or two. You make it sound like the US is the only nation capable of doing anything in Syria requiring such a huge force as 100 to 1000 troops.

Now I know why Trumpettes think Trump is the anti-politician. Trumpettes simply do not understand politics at all and would not recognize geopolitical realities if they crashed on their heads attached to a grand piano. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[snakestretcher]

OK, what makes it "our turn" forever? Surely, at least one other NATO nation (Germany or Italy?) could manage to replace those 1000 troops for a decade or two. You make it sound like the US is the only nation capable of doing anything in Syria requiring such a huge force as 100 to 1000 troops.

You started it. The ball is in your court.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You started it. The ball is in your court.

Exactly, so accept that reality.

 

[Serenity]

WTF are you talking about? You act as though the US was the only nation doing anything in Syria. Is that what your domestic propaganda machine is telling you?

Operation Shader - Wikipedia

Operation Chammal - Wikipedia

You're wasting your time. Too many people couldn't find Turkey or Syria on a map and only know "curds" as being associated with cheese making.

Mention what Turkey did to the Kurds and YPG in unprotected Afrin last year and it will be like the whole Gary Johnson "What is Aleppo" (replace Aleppo with Afrin) debacle all over again. No ****ing clue.

 

[TheParser]

Good decision.

Let the Syrian people settle the matter among themselves. Not one American should die for them.

When Americans had their own disagreement (1861 - 1865), other countries minded their own business, although some Brits wanted to intervene by recognizing the Confederate States.

We should concentrate on the many "challenges" this nation will facing on the domestic front.


Thank you, President Trump. (If I remember correctly, when many Americans were murdered in Lebanon by terrorists, President Reagan simply ordered all American troops to leave.)

 

[snakestretcher]

You're wasting your time. Too many people couldn't find Turkey or Syria on a map and only know "curds" as being associated with cheese making.

Mention what Turkey did to the Kurds and YPG in unprotected Afrin last year and it will be like the whole Gary Johnson "What is Aleppo" (replace Aleppo with Afrin) debacle all over again. No ****ing clue.

And then there was the Turkish massacre of tens of thousands of Kurds. That's our loyal 'ally'.

Anfal genocide - Wikipedia

 

[snakestretcher]

Good decision.

Let the Syrian people settle the matter among themselves. Not one American should die for them.

When Americans had their own disagreement (1861 - 1865), other countries minded their own business, although some Brits wanted to intervene by recognizing the Confederate States.

We should concentrate on the many "challenges" this nation will facing on the domestic front.


Thank you, President Trump. (If I remember correctly, when many Americans were murdered in Lebanon by terrorists, President Reagan simply ordered all American troops to leave.)

Do you want Russian control of Syria, because that's what Trump just gifted the Assad/Putin alliance. In case you forgot ISIS was not confined to Syria; we were fighting them to prevent atrocities from being committed around the globe.
America has just betrayed our strongest and most effective ally against ISIS, the Kurds, and left them hanging out to dry awaiting the tender mercies of their mortal enemy, Erdogan. Nobody is ever going to trust America again; at least not for a very long time. Trump whines about disloyalty; where's his?
One day, when he has lost all support, he'll learn loyalty is a two-way street.

 

[Thoreau72]

Trump in a single moment has decided he is pulling troops out of Syria and leaving it to Turkey. He has done this right after talking to the President of Turkey. Everyone knows this will allow Turkey to attack the Kurds who have done all of the fighting for us against ISIS. The last town held by ISIS was taken without the loss of a single American life because the fighting and dying was done by the Kurds. This decision has even split the GOP as most are saying it is a bad decision, although a few talking heads on Fox are saying he is just keeping one of his campaign promises. So is this a good decision? Is this an attempt to deflect from the impeachment, something Trump has done before?

If one's interests happen to include what's best for the US, then it is an excellent decision.

The Kurds likely contributed cannon fodder in the battle against ISIS our own creature, but the bulk of the success against our own creature was brought by Russian military force in assisting Assad their ally.

Trump tried to get us out of there before, but more powerful men in government stopped that. I hope this time he succeeds.

Let Putin and Erdogan sort it all out. With any luck, the Syrian government will make peace with the Kurds.

It's none of our damn business.

Israel will be angry, but that's there problem. There is a fair chance that all the condemnation of Trump's actions is being brought by AIPAC members.

 

[VanceMack]

More infantile 'insults' from someone with nothing else to offer. Keep 'em coming.

Thats simply an accurate description. If you are insulted by it, then you probably should examine what you lot have become.

 

[Fledermaus]

If one's interests happen to include what's best for the US, then it is an excellent decision.

The Kurds likely contributed cannon fodder in the battle against ISIS our own creature, but the bulk of the success against our own creature was brought by Russian military force in assisting Assad their ally.

Trump tried to get us out of there before, but more powerful men in government stopped that. I hope this time he succeeds.

Let Putin and Erdogan sort it all out. With any luck, the Syrian government will make peace with the Kurds.

It's none of our damn business.

Israel will be angry, but that's there problem. There is a fair chance that all the condemnation of Trump's actions is being brought by AIPAC members.

You were semi rational until the "our creature" part.

 

[jnug]

Good decision.

Let the Syrian people settle the matter among themselves. Not one American should die for them.

When Americans had their own disagreement (1861 - 1865), other countries minded their own business, although some Brits wanted to intervene by recognizing the Confederate States.

We should concentrate on the many "challenges" this nation will facing on the domestic front.


Thank you, President Trump. (If I remember correctly, when many Americans were murdered in Lebanon by terrorists, President Reagan simply ordered all American troops to leave.)

The Syrian ""PEOPLE. Hate to tell ya...but Syria is another concoction of European Imperialists playing pin the tail on the donkey with maps. Its not a country. Its a pseudo-country. Iran is actually ancient Persia which is why it made such little sense to try to screw around with those people. They have real traditions and a real history unlike the rest of the Middle East which is chock full of pseudo-countries. Iran is a real country. Egypt and Turkey are the only other REAL countries in the middle east. The rest are a collection of tribal clusters eventually overlaid by oil politics when some of them discovered this black goo bubbling up and that is all. Syria does not even have any oil. This is of course, way over DonDon's head.

Nobody cares about Syria and nobody cares about Syrians who were an early casualty of climate change induced famine which of course nobody in the Trump Administration is ever going to talk about. There was probably a chance to turn Syria into something more than it is back when the European Imperialists carved up the region, then left in a huff when they went broke squabbling amongst themselves on the European continent itself. Enter the United States in a big way simply taking over the European role of Oil Imperialist.

Now Syria will be a place that must be controlled else terrorists simply use it as a training ground and geopolitical adversaries use it to gain more access and control of the middle eastern countries that either have sea access or oil or both. That is all there is. We leave, our adversaries move in and that is that. In addition, while we did not have a dog in the fight of Turkish destruction of Kurds in Turkey (that was a job for the UN, not the US) we have a dog in defending an ally that actually IS the reason why ISIS has been driven back and no longer has territory in Syria.

Nobody will trust the US again until they can get the stench of Trump out of their noses and the putrid, rotted taste of Trump out of their mouth. But of course, Trumpettes don't care about any of that completely oblivious to the value of being the leader of the free world.

In addition, we will end up confronting Syrian born terrorism either on our home turf or elsewhere unless we remain influential in Syria itself and/or we will end up putting strategic interests of the United States at risk as adversaries carve up Syria and sidle right up to the borders of countries with oil assets or sea access or both. Its that simple. Its a lousy deal. But its the deal we have and to ignore it is flat stupid....actually Trumpian which is a whole new level of stupid.

 

[Middle_Ground]

Completely agree...no decision should be rash. If Trump has some evidence that US troops are in harms way in a conflict we arent ready to commit to, then I would agree with his decision to get them out right away. But if its just a kneejerk response, its a very bad decision.

There is zero chance that the left will put aside their petty hatred regardless the circumstance. If he stays and theres a fight and servicemen die, the left will **** themselves blaming him. If he fights, they will call him a warmonger. If he leaves, they will vilify that choice as well. Whatever choice he makes I hope the safety of the troops is paramount.
I wil say....this is why he ****ed up not working with and keeping Mad Dog.

Well being on the left as I am I just want what's best for the country.
Decisions were made years ago and we are over there. We can't turn back the hands of time. However we should try to make the best decisions going forward for ourselves & those that helped us in our fight.
We can all say **** em let them sort it out but we must remember we went into their backyard.
Whatever you think of past decisions is irrelevant. What's relevant is the path going forward.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Trump in a single moment has decided he is pulling troops out of Syria and leaving it to Turkey. He has done this right after talking to the President of Turkey. Everyone knows this will allow Turkey to attack the Kurds who have done all of the fighting for us against ISIS. The last town held by ISIS was taken without the loss of a single American life because the fighting and dying was done by the Kurds. This decision has even split the GOP as most are saying it is a bad decision, although a few talking heads on Fox are saying he is just keeping one of his campaign promises. So is this a good decision? Is this an attempt to deflect from the impeachment, something Trump has done before?

I say we had no business being there in the first place, but O-bomb-a decided we did.

 

[slick]

I say we had no business being there in the first place, but O-bomb-a decided we did.

Of course Trump's spot on, getting our troops out of these ****hole countries. If Trump didn't try to run for President
we would have troops in Syria & Afganistan until every poster on this site would have great grandchildren. We don't
have the funds to continue to police the world & offer free medical care, free housing & welfare checks to illegals like
those opposed to Trump demand!

 

[j brown's body]

Our troops in Syria have been protecting a loyal ally who continues to fight ISIS. There are not very many of them and they don't seem to suffer very many casualties. So a small number of troops there are performing an important function with very little sacrifice. With that in mind, what is the point in pulling them out?

 

[j brown's body]

Of course Trump's spot on, getting our troops out of these ****hole countries. If Trump didn't try to run for President
we would have troops in Syria & Afganistan until every poster on this site would have great grandchildren. We don't
have the funds to continue to police the world & offer free medical care, free housing & welfare checks to illegals like
those opposed to Trump demand!

We poor, are we? 2000 troops is a bank breaker for us? Wasn't that way before the Trumpster fire came along.

 

[j brown's body]

What really stands out here, as it does consistently in all Trump's efforts: he can't negotiate anything. As a leader, he is an utter failure. As a demagogue, he is a rousing success.

 

[jnug]

Of course Trump's spot on, getting our troops out of these ****hole countries. If Trump didn't try to run for President
we would have troops in Syria & Afganistan until every poster on this site would have great grandchildren. We don't
have the funds to continue to police the world & offer free medical care, free housing & welfare checks to illegals like
those opposed to Trump demand!

Outstanding...another "wonderful" citizen.

Nobody wants useless foreign adventure. See Bush 43/Chaney/Bolton for the last useless careless foreign adventure that the Middle East has never recovered from. But 1,000 troopers aiding and supporting our Kirdish allies in Syria just makes buckets of common sense as does a scaled back force in Afghanistan. Complete withdrawal makes no sense at all and its flat stupid....Trumpian stupid for that matter.

 

[VanceMack]

Well being on the left as I am I just want what's best for the country.
Decisions were made years ago and we are over there. We can't turn back the hands of time. However we should try to make the best decisions going forward for ourselves & those that helped us in our fight.
We can all say **** em let them sort it out but we must remember we went into their backyard.
Whatever you think of past decisions is irrelevant. What's relevant is the path going forward.

I completely agree with this comment. That is why I have said from my original post...this is a difficult situation and NOT just something that should be supported because you like Trump or denounced because you hate Trump. There are tremendous complexities including the fact that the aggressor in this situation is a NATO ally and a host nation of a very important strategic military installation.

 

[slick]

Outstanding...another "wonderful" citizen.

Nobody wants useless foreign adventure. See Bush 43/Chaney/Bolton for the last useless careless foreign adventure that the Middle East has never recovered from. But 1,000 troopers aiding and supporting our Kirdish allies in Syria just makes buckets of common sense as does a scaled back force in Afghanistan. Complete withdrawal makes no sense at all and its flat stupid....Trumpian stupid for that matter.

Why should more American blood be shed for countries that hate us? Let countries in the region lose their young, brave soldiers and bare the cost of fighting another war in the Middle East.But then again how will the neocons make their fortunes without endless wars??? The withdrawn troops in middle east should be replaced by all our
DC politicians who are hating the troop withdrawal & are so concerned by peace in middle east.

Neocons and Democrats are mad because their efforts to start a war with Turkey have been thwarted. That war would have been SOOOO helpful in their impeachment efforts. Now they're going to have to try something else. Boohoo, you mentally ill neocons and Democrats. Hundreds and maybe thousands of our troops won't be killed just to push this TDS impeachment.

 

[Ikari]

Trump in a single moment has decided he is pulling troops out of Syria and leaving it to Turkey. He has done this right after talking to the President of Turkey. Everyone knows this will allow Turkey to attack the Kurds who have done all of the fighting for us against ISIS. The last town held by ISIS was taken without the loss of a single American life because the fighting and dying was done by the Kurds. This decision has even split the GOP as most are saying it is a bad decision, although a few talking heads on Fox are saying he is just keeping one of his campaign promises. So is this a good decision? Is this an attempt to deflect from the impeachment, something Trump has done before?

Probably bad in the end, but we've been doing this crap for far too long and at some point we can't be running around being the World's Police.

 

[slick]

If it wasn't so serious, I'd be laughing hysterically at that question.

It's an awful choice with no upside for the US whatsoever. Turkey will wipe out the Kurds, which is only good for ISIL. There are already concerns that an attack on Kurdish forces could result in the release of ISIL prisoners.

It also tells our allies that the US will stab you in the back, at any time.

It also sends a big signal that Trump just loves those authoritarian leaders like nobody's business.

And of course, it also suggests that a foreign authoritarian leader can easily convince Trump to act against the interests of the United States with a single phone call.



That seems unlikely, as he's constantly throwing Twitter Tantrums about his impending impeachment.

Kurds seem like fine people. Brave, hardworking — a considerable step up from your average American
college student of today. And they seem to be truly trying to shake off the yoke of tyranny, which at least
half of Americans support. But why do politicians drop everything they should be working on and come
together to do something only for the “Dreamers,” who, again, are illegal aliens? Or for the Kurds?