Pulling out of Syria, good or bad decision?

[independentusa]

Trump in a single moment has decided he is pulling troops out of Syria and leaving it to Turkey. He has done this right after talking to the President of Turkey. Everyone knows this will allow Turkey to attack the Kurds who have done all of the fighting for us against ISIS. The last town held by ISIS was taken without the loss of a single American life because the fighting and dying was done by the Kurds. This decision has even split the GOP as most are saying it is a bad decision, although a few talking heads on Fox are saying he is just keeping one of his campaign promises. So is this a good decision? Is this an attempt to deflect from the impeachment, something Trump has done before?

 

[Trump]

I’m against War.

Military industrial complex is real....stop believing the bull****

 

[Harshaw]

Trump in a single moment has decided he is pulling troops out of Syria and leaving it to Turkey. He has done this right after talking to the President of Turkey. Everyone knows this will allow Turkey to attack the Kurds who have done all of the fighting for us against ISIS. The last town held by ISIS was taken without the loss of a single American life because the fighting and dying was done by the Kurds. This decision has even split the GOP as most are saying it is a bad decision, although a few talking heads on Fox are saying he is just keeping one of his campaign promises. So is this a good decision? Is this an attempt to deflect from the impeachment, something Trump has done before?

No one -- Republican, Democrat, anyone -- has any consistent rules or guiding principles as to when we should intervene militarily, or cease doing so, especially when it involves the Middle East.

No one.

No one.

If anyone thinks they do, please state whom, and what those principles are.

 

[Casper]

Trump in a single moment has decided he is pulling troops out of Syria and leaving it to Turkey. He has done this right after talking to the President of Turkey. Everyone knows this will allow Turkey to attack the Kurds who have done all of the fighting for us against ISIS. The last town held by ISIS was taken without the loss of a single American life because the fighting and dying was done by the Kurds. This decision has even split the GOP as most are saying it is a bad decision, although a few talking heads on Fox are saying he is just keeping one of his campaign promises. So is this a good decision? Is this an attempt to deflect from the impeachment, something Trump has done before?

Before all is said and done not one of our allies is ever going to trust us again, and they will correct.

 

[CaughtInThe]

A ton of people will now die because of this Trump decision.

This is all because of Trump voters.

 

[Cardinal]

It's possible to not want to be in a foreign land in a combat situation while simultaneously grasping that abandoning our allies to death is going to be pretty horrible for the future of foreign policy for a long, long time.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I have no real interest in defending Trump, but there never was nor will there ever be a "good" foreign policy decision for this area of the world.

Too easy to argue that our hypocritical, confusing, and disastrous policies going back decades now have created a **** show for the greater Middle East region.

And ISIS is not defeated, it is an ideology with roots and calling themselves all sorts of names going back decades stretching all over this same region and beyond.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Before all is said and done not one of our allies is ever going to trust us again, and they will correct.

This administration has proven over and over and over again to the world that an agreement or alliance with the United States isn't even worth using for toilet paper. Our allies, the Kurds, are about to get ****ed hard by a brutal dictatorship.

 

[Irredentist]

Trump in a single moment has decided he is pulling troops out of Syria and leaving it to Turkey. He has done this right after talking to the President of Turkey. Everyone knows this will allow Turkey to attack the Kurds who have done all of the fighting for us against ISIS. The last town held by ISIS was taken without the loss of a single American life because the fighting and dying was done by the Kurds. This decision has even split the GOP as most are saying it is a bad decision, although a few talking heads on Fox are saying he is just keeping one of his campaign promises. So is this a good decision? Is this an attempt to deflect from the impeachment, something Trump has done before?

The Germans during World War One had a chance to stand up to the Turks, to stop them from massacring the Armenians. They didn't. They stood by and let it happen. Now, a hundred years later, here we are doing the same thing. Defenders of the free world, hardly.

 

[Praxas]

No one -- Republican, Democrat, anyone -- has any consistent rules or guiding principles as to when we should intervene militarily, or cease doing so, especially when it involves the Middle East.

No one.

No one.

If anyone thinks they do, please state whom, and what those principles are.

Correct and that is why we shouldn’t intervene like we have been. I have no problem of pulling out of Syria, Afghanistan or Iraq as long as we learn from our mistakes and not do it again. The problem is we don’t learn from our mistakes. America is ****ing AWESOME at decimating a country to the point of regime change. We are not awesome at rebuilding from that. Therefore we shouldn’t be quick to move to regime change of a country.

 

[VanceMack]

It is a difficult decision...one that has far reaching consequences and one that has to be looked at beyond support for or hatred of Trump.

Turkey is an ally. We have an important strategic airbase in Turkey today. Going to war with Turkey has massive long term consequences. Rush headlong to war...bad idea. Bail out completely...bad idea.

 

[VanceMack]

This administration has proven over and over and over again to the world that an agreement or alliance with the United States isn't even worth using for toilet paper. Our allies, the Kurds, are about to get ****ed hard by a brutal dictatorship.

So YOU would advocate all out war with Turkey...right? What do you do about our airbase there?

 

[Harshaw]

This administration has proven over and over and over again to the world that an agreement or alliance with the United States isn't even worth using for toilet paper. Our allies, the Kurds, are about to get ****ed hard by a brutal dictatorship.

So YOU would advocate all out war with Turkey...right? What do you do about our airbase there?

AND the fact that Turkey is a NATO ally, by formal treaty. But sure, it's totally as simple as RA says.

 

[VanceMack]

AND the fact that Turkey is a NATO ally, by formal treaty. But sure, it's totally as simple as RA says.

Its a **** sandwich. There are no easy answers. But those committed to their hatred of Trump dont feel the need to actually think about this.

 

[Harshaw]

Its a **** sandwich. There are no easy answers. But those committed to their hatred of Trump dont feel the need to actually think about this.

Nobody thinks about it. Nobody has any guide other than gut feelings. And no one in this thread has demonstrated anything contrary to that assessment.

 

[VanceMack]

Nobody thinks about it. Nobody has any guide other than gut feelings. And no one in this thread has demonstrated anything contrary to that assessment.

I was based in Turkey many moons ago. We flew AC130 and A-10 missions protecting the Iraqi kurds one day and supported the Turks killing Kurds the next. It was ****ed up. Thats real life. We did our job. Even when we didnt love that our Commander in Chief sent us to do it.

 

[snakestretcher]

It is a difficult decision...one that has far reaching consequences and one that has to be looked at beyond support for or hatred of Trump.

Turkey is an ally. We have an important strategic airbase in Turkey today. Going to war with Turkey has massive long term consequences. Rush headlong to war...bad idea. Bail out completely...bad idea.

The Kurds are an ally. Your 'ally', Erdogan, is the sort of dictator Trump admires; a gross violator of human rights. Gagging the free press, arresting and imprisoning journalists, running a police state. You name it.

World Report 2019: Turkey | Human Rights Watch

Trump is about to oversee a massacre of America's ally, of his own making, and Erdogan is no more an 'ally' than Putin.

 

[Harshaw]

The Kurds are an ally. Your 'ally', Erdogan, is the sort of dictator Trump admires; a gross violator of human rights. Gagging the free press, arresting and imprisoning journalists, running a police state. You name it.

World Report 2019: Turkey | Human Rights Watch

Guess what -- as a member of NATO, Turkey is your ally, too.

 

[VanceMack]

The Kurds are an ally. Your 'ally', Erdogan, is the sort of dictator Trump admires; a gross violator of human rights. Gagging the free press, arresting and imprisoning journalists, running a police state. You name it.

World Report 2019: Turkey | Human Rights Watch

Your pathetic response just further demonstrates why the opinions of brits are irrelevant anymore.

 

[snakestretcher]

Your pathetic response just further demonstrates why the opinions of brits are irrelevant anymore.

I see. So how about actually addressing what I wrote and the link I provided? Or is the reality that you actually have nothing to contribute except infantile attempts at insult? You can now explain why you believe my response is "pathetic". That'll be a good start. Go on Mr.Relevant, you can do it.

 

[snakestretcher]

Guess what -- as a member of NATO, Turkey is your ally, too.

Sadly, yes. There's a reason why Turkey was never admitted to the European Union; her human rights abuses are notorious. Not far short of Saudi Arabia in fact; another US 'ally'.

 

[snakestretcher]

So YOU would advocate all out war with Turkey...right? What do you do about our airbase there?

Close it and move out.

 

[Visbek]

So is this a good decision?

If it wasn't so serious, I'd be laughing hysterically at that question.

It's an awful choice with no upside for the US whatsoever. Turkey will wipe out the Kurds, which is only good for ISIL. There are already concerns that an attack on Kurdish forces could result in the release of ISIL prisoners.

It also tells our allies that the US will stab you in the back, at any time.

It also sends a big signal that Trump just loves those authoritarian leaders like nobody's business.

And of course, it also suggests that a foreign authoritarian leader can easily convince Trump to act against the interests of the United States with a single phone call.

Is this an attempt to deflect from the impeachment, something Trump has done before?

That seems unlikely, as he's constantly throwing Twitter Tantrums about his impending impeachment.

 

[Harshaw]

Guess what -- as a member of NATO, Turkey is your ally, too.

Sadly, yes. There's a reason why Turkey was never admitted to the European Union; her human rights abuses are notorious. Not far short of Saudi Arabia in fact; another US 'ally'.

And being a NATO ally is all VanceMack was referring to, not admiration for Edrogan.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

So YOU would advocate all out war with Turkey...right? What do you do about our airbase there?

Who said war with Turkey? Sure, they're a brutal dictatorship, but Trump loves those.

AND the fact that Turkey is a NATO ally, by formal treaty. But sure, it's totally as simple as RA says.

And Trump throws the Kurds under the bus without even trying to stop it.