I read the law back in August when he took the plea.
That's when I posted the opinion of a prior FEC chairman that said what Trump did wasn't a campaign finance violation.
“My assessment would be that yes, Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to things that probably are not crimes,”
https://www.ntd.tv/2018/08/22/ex-trump-lawyer-cohen-pleads-guilty-in-deal-with-prosecutors-2/
Now you're speaking about a specific case. Whether or not Trump broke this particular law is up for debate. Whether or not it's a crime at all is not.
This was clearly hidden, that's also not a fact that is challenged.
I don't see this as a "deeper descent." If you voted against someone purely out of hatred nursed over the course of two decades, you can justify pretty much any act of criminality or immorality.
There's a very good reason why Conservatives haven't answered one fundamental question for the past two years: "What would have to happen for you to withdraw support for Trump?" Their silence has itself always been the answer: there isn't anything Trump could do to lose their support.
So what they think is unimportant.
I don't see this as a "deeper descent." If you voted against someone purely out of hatred nursed over the course of two decades, you can justify pretty much any act of criminality or immorality.
There's a very good reason why Conservatives haven't answered one fundamental question for the past two years: "What would have to happen for you to withdraw support for Trump?" Their silence has itself always been the answer: there isn't anything Trump could do to lose their support.
So what they think is unimportant.
You two need to get a room.
I read the law back in August when he took the plea.
That's when I posted the opinion of a prior FEC chairman that said what Trump did wasn't a campaign finance violation.
“My assessment would be that yes, Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to things that probably are not crimes,”
https://www.ntd.tv/2018/08/22/ex-trump-lawyer-cohen-pleads-guilty-in-deal-with-prosecutors-2/
That's nice. Read the memorandum. If you choose not to, then whatever.
I see your point, but I still think there's a line that's crossed of you choose to continue supporting a sitting president who broke the law. I think that's when you cross the line of being a supporter and into the zealot zone.
That's nice. Read the memorandum. If you choose not to, then whatever.
This is a debate site, that kind of arrogance is unwarranted and frankly demonizing to discourage opposition. You don't want discussion, you think you should just tell us how it is and that's it. Good luck with that nonsense.
That just confirms what you said - that there is nothing Trump can do to stop his fans from supporting him.
Even if he is convicted and tossed in jail, his supporters will argue that it was not a real crime.
Yeah. I'm talking about this case. In this case if it wasn't a campaign contribution it didn't have to be disclosed. Or, if you prefer, it could remain "hidden". Most Trump payoffs to women are like that.
If trump doesn’t win a second term then his status protecting him from indictment comes to an end.
Trump warned us of what could happen if we had a president under Federal investigation. In 2020 how will voters feel about re-electing a President whose own Justice Department has determined is a criminal?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Here is the problem: "Federal prosecutors said"
BIG PROBLEM: they are overwhelmingly democrat Federal prosecutors. EVERYBODY KNOWS you can't trust democrats. They only act on their unreasonable emotions. They HATE Trump and hate is an emotion. Lying and bringing up false charges on Trump are the actions they take as a direct result of their unreasonable emotions. When coupled with their criminal minded greed for power over the people they become a bit insane. Just watch leftie propaganda FAKE NEWS stations and you'll see your share of insane unhinged leftie propaganda flunkies foaming at the mouth like a rabies infected dog.
Here is the problem: "Federal prosecutors said"
BIG PROBLEM: they are overwhelmingly democrat Federal prosecutors. EVERYBODY KNOWS you can't trust democrats. They only act on their unreasonable emotions. They HATE Trump and hate is an emotion. Lying and bringing up false charges on Trump are the actions they take as a direct result of their unreasonable emotions. When coupled with their criminal minded greed for power over the people they become a bit insane. Just watch leftie propaganda FAKE NEWS stations and you'll see your share of insane unhinged leftie propaganda flunkies foaming at the mouth like a rabies infected dog.
if he broke the law, indict him while he is in office. a president is not above the law.
What have trump supporters done to warrant their opinions mattering (aside from knowingly putting a criminal in office, of course)?
Yes, I agree.
Now, the claim "people in the know say this wasn't a campaign contribution" is just flak, because "people in the know" also say the opposite.
If there is literally nothing that could convince you of the legitimacy of the DOJ's conclusions then you have removed yourself from serious discussion, which is fine by me.
Yes, I agree.
Now, the claim "people in the know say this wasn't a campaign contribution" is just flak, because "people in the know" also say the opposite.
Ordering somebody to commit a federal crime is itself a federal crime. If you feel the laws are unfair then I suggest writing your congressman asking him to change the laws.
Reverse the question. What have you done?What have trump supporters done to warrant their opinions mattering (aside from knowingly putting a criminal in office, of course)?
It has to be a campaign contribution first and foremost, and it has to also be hidden in order to be a crime.
Paying off women with your own money doesn't appear to be seen as a campaign contribution by people who know about such things.
Even if someone pleads guilty to it because he thinks that's what he did.
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