Progressive Leftists Win: Then What?

[aociswundumho]

The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years.

You will not win the culture war, because far left culture is something no one wants any part of. White people are evil, there are no meaningful differences between men and women, math is racist, etc, leftist culture is extremely repulsive to everyday Americans, and with good reason.

Corporate donations are banned from politics.

Good luck with that.

America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources,

lol, first you have to come up with literally 4 trillion per year to pay for it. Or you stop treating people to save money and deal with endless stories of people being refused medical care. Or you print money to pay for it, and deal with potentially catastrophic inflation. Or you implement price controls, which will lead to massive shortages. Medicare for all would pretty much destroy the country financially speaking.

There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement.

"Strong labor movement" = sky high prices. Basically you want the entire economy to end up like the healthcare industry.

America transitions to green renewable energy,

By force, via central planning. You want politicians to decide how energy will be produced.

Drugs become legal,

I have never heard of a leftist who supports legalization of all drugs.

Where is humanity at the end of 50 years?

The same place any country which goes full leftist ends up - in the shitter.

 

[element94]

The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.

Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.

What's the plan for all the criminals in society? They are prevalent in every walk of life from elected officials to welfare recipients and they are mostly irredeemable so they need much longer confinement sentences. Will they even be prosecuted? How many more prisons will be built? Probably a thousand would be a good start. Without this you're just talking about Disneyland Anarchy.

 

[less right]

I doubt it, but even if so, why isn't the enlightened leftist answers working s y better after decades of control in major cities?

Take a city like San Fran, it's incredibly rich, so there should be plenty of taxes to solve these problems yet I come inequality and horrible problems like homelessness plague it worst than most.

I don't know. Why did rural America become havens for addicts during the same decades?

 

[Dans La Lune]

How about ordinary Democrats win? Why must we play extremes?

That's literally the status quo.

 

[Dans La Lune]

What's the plan for all the criminals in society? They are prevalent in every walk of life from elected officials to welfare recipients and they are mostly irredeemable so they need much longer confinement sentences. Will they even be prosecuted? How many more prisons will be built? Probably a thousand would be a good start. Without this you're just talking about Disneyland Anarchy.

I would personally implement a universal basic income to replace all welfare and raise millions out of poverty, but that's not mainstream progressive agenda point, so I didn't include it. Even though it is becoming more widely supported by mainstream economics. However, crime is largely solved through raising the quality of living for the average citizen, which was addressed in the scenario.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I don't know. Why did rural America become havens for addicts during the same decades?

You should watch the Problem With Jon Stewart's segment on White People, and how white poverty and addiction is treated FAR differently than black poverty and addiction. The contrast is frankly disgusting, but also indicative of how black people are treated in general compared to whites, even by the so-called mainstream liberal media.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Your first nightmare was less scary.

Cool take, bro. You prefer corporate rule and lack of freedom for women and the LGBTQ to a sustainable future with less racial conflict, less economic anxiety, and universal healthcare.

What do you plan to call big brother in this scenario?

Well, in this scenario, the people have control of government rather than a singular ethnic populist. That's always been the progressive agenda.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.

Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.

The left always win the culture wars, because we have all the facts and conservatives are the bad guys and they are always on the wrong side of history and progress. But there likely would be a new generation of conservatives blocking future progress and find some other thing to try and feign outrage over, that's what they do

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The Progressive Left wins the cultural and political war, allowing them to shape America for the next 50 years. Corporate donations are banned from politics. America attains a form of Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources, saving tens of thousands of lives year, and preventing countless more from going bankrupt. Healthcare is uncoupled from employment, allowing greater flexibility in career choices and the potential for increased wages. There is no need for a minimum wage, as there is a strong labor movement. America provides affordable pre-K, allowing for tremendous flexibility in career planning. Women are encouraged and empowered to have children, rather than the most vulnerable being forced into it by the state. America transitions to green renewable energy, which shifts foreign policy away from conflict and dependance on tyrannical allies, allowing for a reasonable restructuring of military investment -- and also likely saves humanity from a climate apocalypse. Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement. America's policies go further than the most happiest place on Earth (Nordic nations), and other nations follow suit.

Where is humanity at the end of 50 years? I'd say since the people are no longer struggling to survive, there is less hostility towards immigrants, minorities, and the LGBTQ. The culture wars lose their fuel, and ethnic nationalism is effectively impossible as a successful political ideology.

Pipe dreams are fun aren't they.

 

[less right]

You should watch the Problem With Jon Stewart's segment on White People, and how white poverty and addiction is treated FAR differently than black poverty and addiction. The contrast is frankly disgusting, but also indicative of how black people are treated in general compared to whites, even by the so-called mainstream liberal media.

Even without the benefit of Jon Stewart it's not hard to pick out the low info voters Trump loves so much. They self identify with the nonsense they post.

 

[Simpletruther]

I don't know. Why did rural America become havens for addicts during the same decades?

Their sucky policies according to leftists. So how then can they answer this?

 

[Jay59]

Cool take, bro. You prefer corporate rule and lack of freedom for women and the LGBTQ to a sustainable future with less racial conflict, less economic anxiety, and universal healthcare.

I prefer food on the table to starving and the rule of law to Big Brother.

Well, in this scenario, the people have control of government rather than a singular ethnic populist. That's always been the progressive agenda.

In this scenario, you have the United Soviet States of America.

Will you use Alaskan gulags for your political dissidents? Is annexing Mexico and/or Canada on the agenda?

 

[BirdinHand]

Medicare-For-All, saving tax payers significant economic resources

Who is paying for this if not taxpayers?

 

[BirdinHand]

America provides affordable pre-K,

More $$$$

Where is it coming from?

 

[BirdinHand]

America transitions to green renewable energy,

More money…and depending on what green energy being referenced, less efficiency.

How we paying for it?

 

[BirdinHand]

Drugs become legal, and addiction is treated rather than punished by law enforcement.

All drugs?

Can we get some heroin at the local CVS now?

Who is paying for the addiction treatment? Is that covered under the Medicare for all? Still wondering who is paying for it.

 

[less right]

Their sucky policies according to leftists. So how then can they answer this?

They can't because the only difference is rural drug addicts aren't usually mixed in with the homeless.

 

[Grim17]

Assuming progressives will be like Stalin is like assuming hardcore conservatives will be like Hitler.

There's no point in just lazily going to extremes to avoid discussion, which is what you are doing.

Hitler, Stalin, and progressives share one thing that conservatives don't... They embrace socialism.

.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Progressives aren't "extreme". They are what should be the middle, with Republicans and 'normal Democrats' to the right and others to the left. Like they were in the FDR era when even an all-Republican government praised labor unions and had a top tax rate of 90% and far lower inequality.

The current ones are all "defund the police" and "pronouns"....let me know when they revive their interest in simple working class issues, thanks.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What the... what? What was 'extreme' about the OP scenario? It didn't propose a UBI, didn't try to radically change standard working hours or otherwise come to grips with the disruptive trends of increasing automation, didn't really address wealth and income inequality at all (just offered a few minimalist ideas to help prop up the low end a little better and mitigate disproportionate influence of the wealthy in politics), certainly didn't advocate any of the 'culture war' bogeymen of conservatives such as abolishing the police and (rather confusingly) implementing a big brother/nanny state or teaching kids to be gay or trans or guilty about their race, and as @Nomad4Ever suggested didn't try to fundamentally change the world-eating system of capitalism at all. Heck, it didn't even mention gun control! Which part was 'extreme' to you?

Perhaps more to the point, what do 'ordinary Democrats' stand for by implication... nothing but the same old status quo and trends of the past few decades? And then they wonder why they struggle to beat the other right-wing party?

Not attempting to paint the mainstream as perfect.

 

[Craig234]

The current ones are all "defund the police" and "pronouns"....let me know when they revive their interest in simple working class issues, thanks.

It never left. I see concern about things like working class issues, and hear little about 'defund the police' or pronouns, though yes, proper pronouns should be used - something I don't recall hearing about for months - your version sounds more like right-wing media's coverage of progressives, not sure where you're hearing progressives talk about those things a lot.

 

[Craig234]

The current ones are all "defund the police" and "pronouns"....let me know when they revive their interest in simple working class issues, thanks.

I just checked the Progressive Caucus web page. It highlights three issues: "A fair economy", "Universal Healthcare", and "Climate Justice".

The web page for "Mother Jones" top stories: "Clarence Thomas", trump's lack of charges, Republican behavior in the Supreme Court hearings, a scientific topic about the climate, 'when a Supreme Court nominee actually had a record that endangered children', Israel and the Ukraine war and another article on the Ukraine war.

"The Progressive" web page: fighting for access to emergency abortion medication, fossil fuel companies, right-wing Supreme Court packing, Supreme Court and democracy in Wisconsin ruling, corruption in Guatemala, racism in Ukraine media coverage versus other wars, and extreme school privatization measures in Tenessee.

Not a word about defund the police or pronouns.

 

[Craig234]

Assuming progressives will be like Stalin is like assuming hardcore conservatives will be like Hitler.

No, it's not. Conservatives are far more likely to be like Hitler.

 

[Dans La Lune]

All drugs?

What's the alternative?

Can we get some heroin at the local CVS now?

Why, do you want to start smoking?

Who is paying for the addiction treatment? Is that covered under the Medicare for all? Still wondering who is paying for it.

The War on Drugs has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars.

 

[Dans La Lune]

More money…and depending on what green energy being referenced, less efficiency.

How we paying for it?

Building New Renewables Is Cheaper Than Burning Fossil Fuels

It’s now cheaper to build and operate new large-scale wind or solar plants in nearly half the world than it would be to run an existing coal or gas-fired power plant.

www.bloomberg.com

Renewable Energy Is Now The Cheapest Option - Even Without Subsidies

Over recent years the march towards an energy industry ruled by renewables has been on the agenda of many countries and international bodies. Aside from their non-depleting and replenishing nature, renewable energy is poised to lessen the world's carbon footprint and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

www.forbes.com

Renewable energy is now a compelling alternative as it costs less than fossil fuels, says Michael Milken

The world is moving away from carbon-based energy not just for the environment, but also because it makes sense economically, said Michael Milken, chairman of the Milken Institute.

www.cnbc.com