Progressive does not mean ultra-socialist or super-liberal

[RGacky3]

So as you go farther and farther left, you see more government, more government, more government, until finally no government?

The spectrum is actually pretty accurate in terms of total government vs. total freedom.

Perhaps, but it isn't really that simple, anarchists are anti-capitalists, conservatives don't want the government in somethings, but do in other things, so do socialists, libertarians are against government accept for organizing or setting the framework for capitalism, Nazi's want governemnt to do one thing, liberal's another.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

No, nobody votes for it because its not something that can be voted for.

REally? So nobody can vote to change their government? Interesting.

 

[Neomalthusian]

Perhaps, but it isn't really that simple, anarchists are anti-capitalists, conservatives don't want the government in somethings, but do in other things, so do socialists, libertarians are against government accept for organizing or setting the framework for capitalism, Nazi's want governemnt to do one thing, liberal's another.

This is mostly consistent with the simple spectrum I posted a while back. The spectrum is from total government to zero government. Anarchists are not anti-capitalists as much as they are anti-government. Any anti-capitalist sentiment among anarchists is peripheral to the fact that they apparently want no organizing social structure at all.

The most simple way to put it is that, as you move left from anarchy, you see increasing government involvement in economics and daily life, starting with libertarianism, conservatism, moderatism, liberalism, and Communism, and authoritarianism, totalitarianism, etc.

 

[instagramsci]

REally? So nobody can vote to change their government? Interesting.

Meaningful changes? No.

 

[DVSentinel]

That's okay, there's no noticeable difference between conservative, right leaning libertarian, and selfish douchebag.

Oh, and anyone who simple-mindedly thinks that government and liberty and two ends of a spectrum clearly need a lot of history lessons, as a public government, like the one we have here in the US, is the best way to stave off horrific abuses of privately controlled power. Private control of power, like medieval kings and emperors, and the dictators of today like Kim Jong Un, engage unfailingly in the most horrific abuses of power and destruction of liberties. Public power is the antithesis of tyranny. Only when some are powerful and others are powerless is there oppression. When everyone holds the power together, then there is liberty.

I'll leave your first sentence/paragraph to the conservatives and the right leaning libertarian's to answer. While I don't think all of them are a "selfish douchebag", It is them you are addressing so it is them who should defend themselves.

As to your second paragraph, could you please rewrite the first sentence so that it actually is readable and makes some sort of sense. I think you accidentally left something out.

What exactly are you talking about? What liberties are you talking about being destroyed.

 

[Heebie Jeebie]

Meaningful changes? No.

Sure they can. How do you think we got such a wide variety of governments?

 

[instagramsci]

Sure they can. How do you think we got such a wide variety of governments?

You think we have a wide variety of governments in the world because people VOTED for them?

 

[Paschendale]

As to your second paragraph, could you please rewrite the first sentence so that it actually is readable and makes some sort of sense. I think you accidentally left something out.

What exactly are you talking about? What liberties are you talking about being destroyed.

A public government, that is, one that is by, for, and of the people, is wholly different from a private one. That would be every aristocracy that existed throughout history, the dictatorships of a lot of nations right now, those are always for the private benefit of whoever is in charge. It is idiotic to be afraid of public government on principal, and to declare it necessarily a bastion of tyranny. That is simply ignorance of history. A representative government like ours really is about securing the blessings of liberty. It is a tool, not something to fear. Fear its misuse, but don't simply have a phobia of government.

 

[RGacky3]

This is mostly consistent with the simple spectrum I posted a while back. The spectrum is from total government to zero government. Anarchists are not anti-capitalists as much as they are anti-government. Any anti-capitalist sentiment among anarchists is peripheral to the fact that they apparently want no organizing social structure at all.

The most simple way to put it is that, as you move left from anarchy, you see increasing government involvement in economics and daily life, starting with libertarianism, conservatism, moderatism, liberalism, and Communism, and authoritarianism, totalitarianism, etc.

Yes ... they are anti-Capitalist, infact they are MORE anti-Capitalist than anti-governemnt, and it has nothing to do with organizing social structure, it's that Capitalism is a system of power and authority.

Communism and Conservatism are not more or less government, it's what the governemnt does ....