Preconceptions people have about the military in terms of sex and appearance

[braindrain]

That is a fail - total fail. You got it wrong and are so emotionally frail in your messages that you can't admit it. You claimed I posted she was in ground combat in Afghanistan, mixing that up with a recount of a Marine squad lead I posted about.

She was originally going into the rescue program, but opted out and the military assigned her otherwise. "Kill team" is my word choice. You don't like it. So who cares what words you like.

Your messages are now just outright stupid, claiming there is not such thing as direct combat from the air. You should get out of the Army.

So she wasn’t in ground combat but she was on a kill team that engages in direct contact with the enemy earning multiple Purple Hearts. Tell me do you think anyone takes your bs seriously. You got caught mixing up your lies and note are just desperately flailing around.
You are full of shit.

 

[braindrain]

Apacherat was banned a long time ago and what you claim are contradictions are comparing what she was thinking before signing up in 2013 and what she does now. Because you have done NOTHING in 7 years just means by your own messages you brag of being worthless deadweight. She's never stood still doing nothing new for a year, let alone 7 years.

As I predicted, you are so emotionally frail in messages you could not acknowledge that you confused what I wrote about a Marine Squad leader with my daugher. Instead you go in some bizarre desperate rant going back to messages I posted 7 years ago - ranting that what she was planning to do before enlisting and what she actually is doing 7 years later proves a contradiction is so bizarre only a pure 100% lazyass do-nothing would see it that way.

"Star Trek" tech and "Kill team" are m7 word choices. Who cares if you like it or not? Your messages now are so desperate you claim there is no such thing as direct combat from the air - as stupid as it gets. Even for that you have to lie to attack. I never posted she "leads kill teams." You make of a lie - then rant based your lie.

Just because by your own messages you are deadweight, stuck as an E7 for SEVEN YEARS - that does not mean everyone is like you. To try to make your rant, your had to reach back to 2003 and when she was first signing up - thinking of going into the Sere program but opting out when they were talking to her about "torture" and she realized they would never allow a woman to graduate from that program.

That level of trying to scare her out total that story. That you took a SERE course is irrelevant to anything.

Survival, Evasion, Resistance & Escape Specialist - Requirements & Benefits - U.S. Air Force

SERE specialists are experts who know how to survive in the most remote and hostile environments on the planet.

www.airforce.com

As a part of the Guardian Angels, SERE specialists assist with recovery of isolated personnel.
It is known the for recruits they do tell potential applicants they break their bones, but do not.

Unlike you, which since 2013 you have not advanced one iota in your own words, she - and probably 95% of others in the military - do. For 7 years - in your words - you've just been coasting, drawing the paycheck, going nowhere. Deadweight.

Just because you have accomplished nothing in 7 years in your own words - an E7 in 2003 and an E7 in 2020 - all that means is she and everyone else I've known in the military are exactly not like you. Accomplishing nothing in 7 years?

Your fanatical, tell any lies, any bizarre wacko messages all to attack a woman in military service - while bragging of being deadweight yourself for 7 years - means you should get out of the Army and be thrown out if not. If she was bothered by someone like you that is what would be the end of that story.

FACT: You mixed up my messages posting about a Marine Squad Leader with messages about my daughter - and then go into an absolute hysterical rant trying to mix up my messages from 2013 and now in a full frail emotional breakdown rant. Truly pathetic and dangerously irrational ranting.
You should get out of the Army. By your messages you are just deadweight are too emotionally frail in your messages for military service.

You claimed she enlisted for that career field. Not thinking about. Look more Joko lies.
You should read a bit more about what you claimed your daughter did.

SERE Specialists Working to Expand Their Ranks, Improve Recruitment | Air & Space Forces Magazine

One of the Air Force’s smallest career fields is also one of its most misunderstood—and undermanned—so a handful of instructors here are taking it upon themselves to spread the word.

www.airforcemag.com

Quote from the link.
They also can deploy to combat locations, but SERE airmen do not directly participate in combat operations. Instead, they work as experts alongside pararescue teams in planning recovery and rescue operations. For example, a PJ team may not know how capable a downed pilot is of surviving, but a SERE specialist knows how well trained they are and how to operate the available equipment.

“We’re not a combat career field. We’re not down range shooting people. We’re not kicking doors down,” said Justin Samaniego, the SERE specialist orientation course unit training manager. “We’re instructors.”


Don’t even know what your daughter does. How sad.

Any way you slice my career I have done way more then you.
You wouldn’t know a fact if it hit you in the head. there is no mix up on my end. I quoted you saying she was in direct combat in Afghanistan from which she earned multiple Purple Hearts. You got caught lying as usual.

 

[braindrain]

In his own words he rejected becoming an E8. However, you are correct, I don't know how rank ordinarily works. Claiming I am lying because I don't do the jargon is desperation on his part. I've already posted that from what I've heard the military is not only "top heavy" but has too much middle ground deadweight.

No I have delayed becoming an E8. As do many people in SF. But then I don’t doubt you can’t figure that out. After you are clueless about the military.

 

[joko104]

So she wasn’t in ground combat but she was on a kill team that engages in direct contact with the enemy earning multiple Purple Hearts. Tell me do you think anyone takes your bs seriously. You got caught mixing up your lies and note are just desperately flailing around.
You are full of shit.

"Kill team" was my word choice. If you don't like it, that's your problem. You inability to keep messages straight is your problem, not mine.

Who non-stop lies is you. Quote my saying she has "multiple purple hearts." Just another of your lies. She has serious permanent combat/military related injuries. Your contempt of those who actually go into combat and put their lives on the line is pathetic and you should be booted out of the military just for that reason alone - a dead weight man ranting about those who actually do missions putting their lives on the line.

I understand why you are ranting on this thread. The topic is about the problem for women in the military from misogynist men like you - do-nothing men. Deadweight men. "Nearly a decade and a half" and you've done nothing. All you can do is rant that no one else does anything too. This thread is about men like you.

 

[braindrain]

There are 3 groups of people of military service I know:
1. Ex military. Old. Some were career. Some not. There are a LOT of senior aged ex military here because they can afford to retire here on the Natural Gulf Coast, but not on the Atlantic Gold Coast of Florida.
2. Young people who did not go career and seem to do ordinary things on and ordinary past.
3. Two who are extraordinary (unusual) people who had or have an extraordinary history in the military.
One of those is a Marine and was a Squad leader in Afghanistan. He grew up on a poor dairy farm of a large family, a father earning minimum wage and they living off the land. Starting at a very young age, he hunted for food. He signed up specifically to go into combat in Afghanistan to be a hunter of the greatest game of all - other armed humans. He treated missions as aggressive hunting expeditions with extraordinary success - breaking or following rules, whichever was best for the mission - yet no casualities on his squad.

The other is my daughter. She was a well recognized superstar before signing up - and for this they wanted her badly having nothing to do with her sex/gender. Rather, her scientific and overall extremely diverse resume for such a young person. They did not put her where she wanted to be as her proven expertise was in pathogens/biology. Instead they put her into electronics, something she knew nothing about. Her "gift" is the ability to "see" a massive quantity of info and data as a single set of info - something almost no one can do near her level. Being able to understand enormous amounts of fine detail info as a single collection allows her to "see" want no one else can because she does not have to bracket it down to subsets and therefore does not have to make any assertions or summaries. Very serious minded. This lead her to where she is now.

Of the last group of two, there is a commonality to both. They both understand when to follow orders and when not to. When to do it "the military way" and when not to. They pursue being extraordinary rather than mastering the ordinary. Inferior people will not make their decisions. In terms of any mission, the measure is the result, not doing it how it is usually done - and succeeding at levels other do not - with this first catching the eye of the higher ups while still in basic training for both.

My lack of knowing military jargon and trying to make something out of that is nothing. Just desperation. Collectively, braindrain are the kind of men that deliberately try to get in her way because they can't handle successful women in the military - where it appears braindrain can't handle that anyone is highly successful in the military for ego frailty.

We teach each of our children starting very young to acquire as diverse of resume experience, skill sets and knowledge sets as possible. Never stand still. We force it. Require this. Once something is mastered, move on to something else - each for their personality. We also control who they associate with - friends, in school etc. Literally had to meet them and their parents. We have veto power. We would never allow our children to be around someone whose parents were like braindrain - a ranting frustrated man with what appears extreme ego issues. We teach them that life is a competition, excuses are worthless and forget about fairness as it doesn't exist. Burn no bridges recklessly.

My daughter has a very rare mental gift she was born with. To the opposite, one of my sons is a slow learner - but very skilled with his hands. Each of my children are very different - so as parents the challenge to us is to guide - even force - them each to non-stop pursue paths most suited to each of them. At 18 we shove them out of the nest - like it or not - but to be as prepared for adult life as possible.We never would have urged her to join the military and we only knew she had after the fact.

What I posted about what she was doing last year is not what she is doing this year, which won't be what she is doing next year. In her words this will continue until she is 40 and then she will "retire" exactly to the career of choice, which she decided upon while still in high school. Until them, she isn't standing still. As long as the AF goes along with her constantly advancing her military career she'll stay in. If she is stagnated, she's out.

Everyone stayed tuned to the next chapter from jokos military fantasy story telling. Just don’t expect realism or even the story to be consistent from post to post. But if you want bs and lies this is the place to be.

 

[joko104]

No I have delayed becoming an E8. As do many people in SF. But then I don’t doubt you can’t figure that out. After you are clueless about the military.

So what? That just sounds like a lazyass to me. Have you ever actually done anything worth mentioning mission wise? Ever been shot at? Ever kill any enemy? Ever done anything in "nearly a decade and a half?"

Make up your mind between being SF or SOF. That means you are neither. LOL

 

[roguenuke]

In his own words he rejected becoming an E8. However, you are correct, I don't know how rank ordinarily works. Claiming I am lying because I don't do the jargon is desperation on his part. I've already posted that from what I've heard the military is not only "top heavy" but has too much middle ground deadweight.

Most in the military are around E5, because most do not stay in for 20 years. One, maybe 2 enlistments is normal.

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[joko104]

Most in the military are around E5, because most do not stay in for 20 years. One, maybe 2 enlistments is normal.

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From what I hear, many in the military stagnant or burn out. I was told the jump from E5 to E6 is a big one and it gets very tight past that as there are few ranks left and the funnel narrows. For enlisted to continue to advance in rank a person has to make the jump to becoming commissioned - and that is a very large hurdle that most can't make. Usually, the decision to go the commissioned officer route has to be made at the start or very near thereafter and, if I'm not mistaken, requires minimally a 4 year college degree.

Do you think the dead-end nature for enlisted should be reconsidered? Should their be a more open path to advance in rank beyond sargeant for enlisted?

 

[joko104]

There are many retired military here - career and not - and am well aware the same stories they tell this year are always a little better than they told last year. For those I get to know, it can become clear which ones are accurate and which are exaggerated to what degree.

What I have NEVER done is call any of them a liar. Never tried to belittle them. How the hell does anyone know what someone else did? I certainly would never ridicule or laugh at anyone who has permanent physical loses from military service whether from combat or accident.

From what those in combat missions tell me, while the military does things certain ways, a lot of that falls to the side for actual combat itself - particularly by those in combat leadership roles actually in the combat itself. Rules and practices that get in the way of mission success are ignored or bypassed. An aircraft may not take off without everything checked out and signed off - unless the base is under attack or lives depend on the aircraft going. Marines will carry all they are to on patrol - unless dropping it to run down the enemy is necessary. Kevlar gloves must be worn at all times, unless in a fire fight at distance where accuracy matters. Rules are to be followed - except when not.

If the military really wants someone, it will ignore or waive requirements to obtain that person. If they don't want a person, they'll find a reason to reject or eliminate that person. All of that is obvious to anyone but a fool. The military is starved for the brainy types because it can't compete with the private sector. The future of the military is in technology, not boots on the ground. The military isn't spending hundreds of millions per aircraft for nothing. There are reasons tens of billions is being poured into geo-space and satellites. Cyper warfare is becoming center stage critical.

For years, braindrain has followed me across the military board ranting that no one in the military ever did anything like he never did with grotesque attacks against the Marines and the Air Force. He incessantly posts extreme misogynistic messages. In fact, there are women that have been and are in active theaters of war and combat. There are highly specialized women who do so. It is not only men who are injured, wounded or killed in the military and in combat. There are super geeks, technos and brainiacs in the military - including women - and among those are involved in highly classified activities and missions. But it also includes areas that women are cutting new paths into for the first time - and can face huge misogynistic resistance by men such as braindrain.

Angry, frustrated malcontents as are braindrain's messages are an example of exactly what this thread is about. Whether my daughter could physically do what he does is irrelevant. I am certain not only could he not do what she does, he could never even uderstand it for lack of the intellectual capacity, nor could I.

 

[roguenuke]

From what I hear, many in the military stagnant or burn out. I was told the jump from E5 to E6 is a big one and it gets very tight past that as there are few ranks left and the funnel narrows. For enlisted to continue to advance in rank a person has to make the jump to becoming commissioned - and that is a very large hurdle that most can't make. Usually, the decision to go the commissioned officer route has to be made at the start or very near thereafter and, if I'm not mistaken, requires minimally a 4 year college degree.

Do you think the dead-end nature for enlisted should be reconsidered? Should their be a more open path to advance in rank beyond sargeant for enlisted?

No. There is nothing wrong with being an E6 or E7 throughout your career. Those provide plenty of opportunities in themselves.

Not everyone wants to be an officer. It is a very different job with different expectations than being enlisted. In fact, CWO is available for higher level enlisted who want a hybrid of both officer and enlisted and have degrees plus technical expertise in their actual military field.

It is a tough life, especially for 20 years, during the time when most are looking to marry and raise a family. And it is tougher for those in jobs that are highly valued within the civilian world, IT, medical/dental, engineers, electricians, etc., who know they can get paid much more outside the military. Not all jobs translate outside the military service, but some do. Even for those that don't though, gettimg out early can be a better choice towards starting a civilian career with actual experience rather than trying to make it to retirement and then having to start a civilian career from scratch.

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[joko104]

No. There is nothing wrong with being an E6 or E7 throughout your career. Those provide plenty of opportunities in themselves.

Not everyone wants to be an officer. It is a very different job with different expectations than being enlisted. In fact, CWO is available for higher level enlisted who want a hybrid of both officer and enlisted and have degrees plus technical expertise in their actual military field.

It is a tough life, especially for 20 years, during the time when most are looking to marry and raise a family. And it is tougher for those in jobs that are highly valued within the civilian world, IT, medical/dental, engineers, electricians, etc., who know they can get paid much more outside the military. Not all jobs translate outside the military service, but some do. Even for those that don't though, gettimg out early can be a better choice towards starting a civilian career with actual experience rather than trying to make it to retirement and then having to start a civilian career from scratch.

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What she does, knows, her ratings and certifications is very much is desirable in the private sector. However, as you said, some jobs in the military are not very transferrable to the private sector. We had an employee who was in the Navy, who said "there's not a lot of job openings for people trained to watch for Russian submarines."

I do understand many do not want to be officers. My question more was should commissioned officers basically always have rank authority over all enlisted? I understand in some ways that is not entirely accurate, but also largely is. More I am pondering why enlisted ceiling at the rank of sergeant? It seems an outdated ranking structure. You know more of this than I, of course.

While still an enlisted, she has a massive showdown with a base CO over a long planned major mission in which to stop the mission she basically lead a munity and then broke the aircraft to stop it - because she knew "something was wrong." Her reputation was so strong with the others and because the mission required all sign off - and she refused - none would go. Then "accidentally" broke the aircraft to prevent replacement personnel. That is a BIG deal. And by a belligerent young gay woman ruining the mission no less with nothing more than "something is wrong." The CO wanted court martial. He lost. It turned out she was correct. Had the mission continued? The end would have been the aircraft nothing but wreckage plowing into earth at 500 mph - and it would have been the CO's fault. So panicking about the mission, telling no one on the team, he had sent in E3s to check the aircraft out the night before - and they decided to run some big grounding wires from the whatever-it-is to the airframe. Sort like if a couple of mechanics from Joe's Auto Shop secretly doing some extra wiring on the space shuttle the night before take off because the CO of where the launch pad is located thought it'd be a good idea. He wasn't going to trust his future on a team of weirdo geeks, gays and a young woman. One of those kind of military men.

If you were AF, you know how much electricity some airframes build up in flight. There went a billion or more dollars, everyone aboard dead, no clue what happened, and likely the end of the program. It didn't go well for that CO. For this incident, the team was given a fair amount of written autonomy and a couple given officers ranks (going thru the appropriate steps) - though doing the same things. The CO had no authority to order her to sign off, no authority to try to end run around her, no authority to have anyone touch that particularly aircraft, and no authority to order anyone aboard the aircraft that had been red Xed/blackballed (or whatever the expression is). She had done exactly what she was supposed to do. Not allow that aircraft to roll if something is wrong. Period. She said one of the officers of the hearing board winked and said something about thank god for accidents. LOL. I think they knew it was no accident. She was just doing her job best she could in the face of a maniac CO.

A few incidents like that also increasingly put her on the map - and in good ways. She'll save you ass if you just stay out of her way. It may not go well for you if you don't. No one is going to die for their stupidity, regardless of rank.

Why does a newbie officer have rank over a 22 years in service senior master sergeant? That said, I have been told a few stories of a senior master sergeant or chief master sergeant dressing down high ranking officers for missions matters - usually to back up lower ranking enlisted under them. Basically telling the officer to back off or to just go away. Have you heard anything like that happening? I don't pretend I was in the military. I only repeat what I have been told and evaluate the person telling me from what I know of each person.

 

[braindrain]

"Kill team" was my word choice. If you don't like it, that's your problem. You inability to keep messages straight is your problem, not mine.

Who non-stop lies is you. Quote my saying she has "multiple purple hearts." Just another of your lies. She has serious permanent combat/military related injuries. Your contempt of those who actually go into combat and put their lives on the line is pathetic and you should be booted out of the military just for that reason alone - a dead weight man ranting about those who actually do missions putting their lives on the line.

I understand why you are ranting on this thread. The topic is about the problem for women in the military from misogynist men like you - do-nothing men. Deadweight men. "Nearly a decade and a half" and you've done nothing. All you can do is rant that no one else does anything too. This thread is about men like you.

I am keeping your messages straight and have quoted you multiple times talking about her conducting combat operations on the ground. That you continue to deny it tells everyone all they need to know about you.

poor Joko forgetting the lies you have told.

My kid has suffered terrible combat related injuries in the theater of Iraq and Afghanistan - but remains in when could get out.

So tell us how she suffered terrible combat related injuries in multiple combat zones but didn’t get multiple Purple Hearts. Always with the lies Joko. So sad.

I have no issues with woman serving in the military. What I have an issue with is people telling lies.
Which is all you are doing. And is pathetically obvious.

 

[braindrain]

So what? That just sounds like a lazyass to me. Have you ever actually done anything worth mentioning mission wise? Ever been shot at? Ever kill any enemy? Ever done anything in "nearly a decade and a half?"

Make up your mind between being SF or SOF. That means you are neither. LOL

What it sounds like to you is irrelevant as your knowledge base is nonexistent.
And Joko I can guarantee I have done way more then you. And it’s rather obvious that if your daughter is not completely made up, which is what I think, that she has done nothing remarkable in the military because if she had you wouldn’t be here making up bs stories about the adventures of female Rambo.

I see that you still don’t understand the difference between SF and SOF. This is fun. Keep embarrassing yourself. I enjoy watching it.

 

[braindrain]

From what I hear, many in the military stagnant or burn out. I was told the jump from E5 to E6 is a big one and it gets very tight past that as there are few ranks left and the funnel narrows. For enlisted to continue to advance in rank a person has to make the jump to becoming commissioned - and that is a very large hurdle that most can't make. Usually, the decision to go the commissioned officer route has to be made at the start or very near thereafter and, if I'm not mistaken, requires minimally a 4 year college degree.

Do you think the dead-end nature for enlisted should be reconsidered? Should their be a more open path to advance in rank beyond sargeant for enlisted?

And here is Joko proving he is clueless about the military once again.
Tell me more Joko about how the only way people can advance after E6 is to go officer.

And there is no dead end nature for enlisted. That’s just you being clueless

Tell me who is the one you are hearing all this BS from. Is it your made up daughter. If so. You should probably tell her to do some more research about the military if she wants to be believed.

 

[braindrain]

There are many retired military here - career and not - and am well aware the same stories they tell this year are always a little better than they told last year. For those I get to know, it can become clear which ones are accurate and which are exaggerated to what degree.

What I have NEVER done is call any of them a liar. Never tried to belittle them. How the hell does anyone know what someone else did? I certainly would never ridicule or laugh at anyone who has permanent physical loses from military service whether from combat or accident.

From what those in combat missions tell me, while the military does things certain ways, a lot of that falls to the side for actual combat itself - particularly by those in combat leadership roles actually in the combat itself. Rules and practices that get in the way of mission success are ignored or bypassed. An aircraft may not take off without everything checked out and signed off - unless the base is under attack or lives depend on the aircraft going. Marines will carry all they are to on patrol - unless dropping it to run down the enemy is necessary. Kevlar gloves must be worn at all times, unless in a fire fight at distance where accuracy matters. Rules are to be followed - except when not.

If the military really wants someone, it will ignore or waive requirements to obtain that person. If they don't want a person, they'll find a reason to reject or eliminate that person. All of that is obvious to anyone but a fool. The military is starved for the brainy types because it can't compete with the private sector. The future of the military is in technology, not boots on the ground. The military isn't spending hundreds of millions per aircraft for nothing. There are reasons tens of billions is being poured into geo-space and satellites. Cyper warfare is becoming center stage critical.

For years, braindrain has followed me across the military board ranting that no one in the military ever did anything like he never did with grotesque attacks against the Marines and the Air Force. He incessantly posts extreme misogynistic messages. In fact, there are women that have been and are in active theaters of war and combat. There are highly specialized women who do so. It is not only men who are injured, wounded or killed in the military and in combat. There are super geeks, technos and brainiacs in the military - including women - and among those are involved in highly classified activities and missions. But it also includes areas that women are cutting new paths into for the first time - and can face huge misogynistic resistance by men such as braindrain.

Angry, frustrated malcontents as are braindrain's messages are an example of exactly what this thread is about. Whether my daughter could physically do what he does is irrelevant. I am certain not only could he not do what she does, he could never even uderstand it for lack of the intellectual capacity, nor could I.

More Joko lies and ramblings. How typical.

 

[braindrain]

What she does, knows, her ratings and certifications is very much is desirable in the private sector. However, as you said, some jobs in the military are not very transferrable to the private sector. We had an employee who was in the Navy, who said "there's not a lot of job openings for people trained to watch for Russian submarines."

I do understand many do not want to be officers. My question more was should commissioned officers basically always have rank authority over all enlisted? I understand in some ways that is not entirely accurate, but also largely is. More I am pondering why enlisted ceiling at the rank of sergeant? It seems an outdated ranking structure. You know more of this than I, of course.

While still an enlisted, she has a massive showdown with a base CO over a long planned major mission in which to stop the mission she basically lead a munity and then broke the aircraft to stop it - because she knew "something was wrong." Her reputation was so strong with the others and because the mission required all sign off - and she refused - none would go. Then "accidentally" broke the aircraft to prevent replacement personnel. That is a BIG deal. And by a belligerent young gay woman ruining the mission no less with nothing more than "something is wrong." The CO wanted court martial. He lost. It turned out she was correct. Had the mission continued? The end would have been the aircraft nothing but wreckage plowing into earth at 500 mph - and it would have been the CO's fault. So panicking about the mission, telling no one on the team, he had sent in E3s to check the aircraft out the night before - and they decided to run some big grounding wires from the whatever-it-is to the airframe. Sort like if a couple of mechanics from Joe's Auto Shop secretly doing some extra wiring on the space shuttle the night before take off because the CO of where the launch pad is located thought it'd be a good idea. He wasn't going to trust his future on a team of weirdo geeks, gays and a young woman. One of those kind of military men.

If you were AF, you know how much electricity some airframes build up in flight. There went a billion or more dollars, everyone aboard dead, no clue what happened, and likely the end of the program. It didn't go well for that CO. For this incident, the team was given a fair amount of written autonomy and a couple given officers ranks (going thru the appropriate steps) - though doing the same things. The CO had no authority to order her to sign off, no authority to try to end run around her, no authority to have anyone touch that particularly aircraft, and no authority to order anyone aboard the aircraft that had been red Xed/blackballed (or whatever the expression is). She had done exactly what she was supposed to do. Not allow that aircraft to roll if something is wrong. Period. She said one of the officers of the hearing board winked and said something about thank god for accidents. LOL. I think they knew it was no accident. She was just doing her job best she could in the face of a maniac CO.

A few incidents like that also increasingly put her on the map - and in good ways. She'll save you ass if you just stay out of her way. It may not go well for you if you don't. No one is going to die for their stupidity, regardless of rank.

Why does a newbie officer have rank over a 22 years in service senior master sergeant? That said, I have been told a few stories of a senior master sergeant or chief master sergeant dressing down high ranking officers for missions matters - usually to back up lower ranking enlisted under them. Basically telling the officer to back off or to just go away. Have you heard anything like that happening? I don't pretend I was in the military. I only repeat what I have been told and evaluate the person telling me from what I know of each person.

None of that is true. You should just stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Considering who the OP is, I am quite shocked that I can post in agreement here.

Yes, women vets are generally ignored or forgotten, especially when mixed in with men (even if not vets).

I am looking for a decal and/or tag cover for my car indicating my being a retired Chief. Even while I search, I think of those who may accuse me of using my husbands service as my own or just who may thank me for my husbands service.

Another example is when we go to the free dinners/meals on Veterans day, especially having stood in those lines with my husband and having older male veterans around us. They immediately start talking to my husband, asking about branch, rank, MOS/rating, where he served, etc, and completely ignore me. It doesnt seem to even dawn on many older men that women do serve, are veterans.

The other times it has irked me has actually been military wives. Telling me your husband fought for my right to say something has got to be one of the most sexist and ignorant comments you can make.

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That's a damn shame.

When my dad got back from Vietnam he was not welcome at the local American Legion because he was told Vietnam was not actually a war. Now they are taking in non veterans! Not that he wanted to attend as he said it seemed more of a bar scene with guys drinking all the time.

 

[joko104]

I am keeping your messages straight and have quoted you multiple times talking about her conducting combat operations on the ground. That you continue to deny it tells everyone all they need to know about you.

poor Joko forgetting the lies you have told.

So tell us how she suffered terrible combat related injuries in multiple combat zones but didn’t get multiple Purple Hearts. Always with the lies Joko. So sad.

I have no issues with woman serving in the military. What I have an issue with is people telling lies.
Which is all you are doing. And is pathetically obvious.

You not just resort to lying. You have never quoted me posting about her conducting combat operations on the ground.

I have never posted about Purple hearts. That is another lie. Anyone can search my ID and the term purple or hearts to know so. She has never mentioned a Purple Heart nor showed me one. She continues to have surgeries and treatments. She was given an extended leave and light duty for an extended time. There are some tasks she is no longer to do. There are some potential roles such injuries closed the door on.

 

[joko104]

None of that is true. You should just stop embarrassing yourself.

There are AF or ex-AF on the forum. All know that AF personnel with technical ratings in regards to heavy aircraft were highly sought after by the private sector. If this also includes high security clearances then is moreso it is true in the defense industry.

 

[joko104]

Angry, frustrated malcontents as are braindrain's messages are an example of exactly what this thread is about. Make any attack and tell any lies - refusing to answer anything - anything to attack a female service member. What he can't do is tell anything of significance he had done in 14 years in the Army.

 

[eohrnberger]

Had a long talk with my daughter in the military. I won't post about that much about that anymore. But this is interesting as a sociological topic, not just a military one.

If you assembled 1,000 random adults and ask people to "guess the one you think has killed the most enemy - not counting not specific targeted artillery and bombing - more one on one-ish?" They'd go thru at least half before guessing her. She's not butch looking or square shoulders, doesn't look tough. Cute. Not petite but not a pound over weight. Is young and looks a bit younger than she is. Her tats tell another story - military and tough but feminine. Otherwise, no clue. But it almost certainly is her as the correct guess - even a Seal team, special ops team and a sniper duo was in that 1000.

They'd pick me quick - tough, stern and hardened looking middle aged guy. Scars. Tall. Still a fair amount of noticeable muscularity. I've never been in the military.

Anyway... She had given me a cap with her branch of service and one of her areas of action (often in combat, many theaters known and unknown.) This is a very, very pro military area, lots of retirees and a lot of those were in the military. Everywhere I went wearing that cap I would be told "Thank you for your service" and many adding asking what theater of combat was I in? So I stopped wearing it.

What is funny is she said she stopped wearing that same cap too also for what people constantly said to her.

What would people say to her wearing that cap? "Thank your husband for his service. How long has he been in?"

Of course, it must be a man - her husband since she has on a wedding ring, right? However, for anything she'd done in the military, she's been the first woman in that area of duty. Interesting how easily people draw conclusions on appearance and a person's sex. So not her husband, right?

It also would not possibly cross their mind that she's married to another woman, not a man, who also is in the military. She just answers how long her spouse has been in not clarifying the gender. Why get into a discussion or argument with people you don't know? Just acknowledge their support of the military with a "thank you" and left it go.

We both were laughing pretty hard. Both of us had stopped wearing the cap due to misconceptions about appearances and gender - her and I both.

Let me at least thank both you and her for your service. I'll leave it at that.

 

[joko104]

Let me at least thank both you and her for your service. I'll leave it at that.

I have never served in the military, but I appreciate your recognizing her service. Thank you.

While usually she has been deployed elsewhere and in the M.E., currently she is in California. She avoids leaving the base because some in California all but spit at her. She's been seriously confronted in a store while shopping having to show her military ID to buy liquor - the clerk and others calling her and the military murderers trying to block her leaving the store to rant at her etc. But not around here in Central Florida - all positive and appreciative.

Again, thank you.

 

[joko104]

And here is Joko proving he is clueless about the military once again.
Tell me more Joko about how the only way people can advance after E6 is to go officer.

And there is no dead end nature for enlisted. That’s just you being clueless

Tell me who is the one you are hearing all this BS from. Is it your made up daughter. If so. You should probably tell her to do some more research about the military if she wants to be believed.

I never posted the only advancement past E-6. At this point, literally nothing you post is true.

What we know is that you are nobody who has done nothing in the military - and rant about and at anyone who claims they have. Tell how much you hate Marines against and how no Marines were in combat in Afghanistan and other crap.

 

[braindrain]

You not just resort to lying. You have never quoted me posting about her conducting combat operations on the ground.

I have never posted about Purple hearts. That is another lie. Anyone can search my ID and the term purple or hearts to know so. She has never mentioned a Purple Heart nor showed me one. She continues to have surgeries and treatments. She was given an extended leave and light duty for an extended time. There are some tasks she is no longer to do. There are some potential roles such injuries closed the door on.

Poor Joko. Forgetting the lies he has told.

My kid's in the AF and has been shot at by small arms, mortars and Russian S300s plus some lesser surface to air missiles. Of missiles, my kid said they are no threat, just annoying. Combat injuries (serious and permanent) happened on the ground,

So is it that you don’t know what a Purple Heart is for or are you just lying. If she had really suffered combat related injuries in multiple combat zones she wouldn’t have multiple Purple Hearts

 

[braindrain]

There are AF or ex-AF on the forum. All know that AF personnel with technical ratings in regards to heavy aircraft were highly sought after by the private sector. If this also includes high security clearances then is moreso it is true in the defense industry.

That’s not the part that’s complete BS. It’s you military fantasies about your made up daughter that are complete and utter garbage.
But then you know that.