Porn sustains societal sexual stereotypes

[Fiddytree]

I definitely think pornography tries to romanticize social taboos, a prime example are inter-racial stereotypes. For example pornography tries to continuously establish black men being well endowed. Or black women as "ebonies" or "ghetto booty hoes."

I think in this respect what porn does is it feeds societal self-consciousness by making these genres sexually desirable although socially and openly it isn't. We also see the economical side as inter-racial porn does not sell as well as non inter-racial porn. I think although there are consumers of various genres, porn still sustains social stereotypes which is validated by consumers.

Well, as Malcolm X once sarcastically discussed, there was no shortage of white women that would get "jungle fever" and go hunting for black men based on the faulty premise that being a black male suddenly granted you sexual prowess or girth. It was a social taboo, and still somewhat is, but much less so now. The wording does feed on stereotypes, for much of what you discussed. But what is interesting about it is you could still make the plausible argument that there is more control and power in it for those who did not have as much in the past. It is also still arguable about the economics of interracial porn (perhaps for all configurations of partners involved), but I too had long heard that it was not profitable to sell interracial material-despite the apparent number of big-name professionals that engage in it. What is also interesting is if you expand that discussion to how much each partner is paid for that (which information I do not have). On a related note, I long heard that woman-woman scenes do not pay the actors as much, despite the stereotype (one I think we can largely say is true) that straight men get off to the idea of two women quite a bit.

 

[Hypersonic]

Well, as Malcolm X once sarcastically discussed, there was no shortage of white women that would get "jungle fever" and go hunting for black men based on the faulty premise that being a black male suddenly granted you sexual prowess or girth. It was a social taboo, and still somewhat is, but much less so now. The wording does feed on stereotypes, for much of what you discussed. But what is interesting about it is you could still make the plausible argument that there is more control and power in it for those who did not have as much in the past. It is also still arguable about the economics of interracial porn (perhaps for all configurations of partners involved), but I too had long heard that it was not profitable to sell interracial material-despite the apparent number of big-name professionals that engage in it. What is also interesting is if you expand that discussion to how much each partner is paid for that (which information I do not have). On a related note, I long heard that woman-woman scenes do not pay the actors as much, despite the stereotype (one I think we can largely say is true) that straight men get off to the idea of two women quite a bit.

You're right, their is a dynamic power shift in the porn world on what sells, and what doesn't. Speaking on expanding the discussion, we can also discuss feminine empowerment through sexual and economic freedom as women are paid more than men, and in some cases, women being about to determine negotiations regarding pay. On the flip side a hardcore feminist would argue that in order for women to be.economically stable they must become subservient to the patriarchal rules that are in place.

I read long ago Katherine Mackinnon would argue that porn takes thep erson away and replaces her with an object.

For Mackinnon, pornography is to satisfy male lust through female subservience. A prime argument you would say would be what we see in hardcore porn are women getting on their knees waiting for the money shot.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

What if it's the other way around?

Porn is as old as humanity. Some of the oldest human artwork is basically pornography.

Not all porn follows the sexual stereotypes that exist in America in 2013. A lot of cultures had, and still have, very female-reverent pornography.

And even with porn in the West, you can find porn that isn't misogynist or racist, if you start looking outside the "mainstream" labels.

I think porn is more a reflection of culture than a trendsetter in and of itself.

 

[Wiseone]

I for one think (using Mike Tyson's word) pornography "exasperates" social stereotypes. Porn and consumers of porn, demonstrates perverse, racial, and misogynistic qualities of society. I think when I see sights like "Ghetto gaggers, Milf lessons, Monster C***" I think people who mildly, or moderately consume porn, subconsciously subscribe to it. So do you guys think so?

If I were a black man I'd have no problem with the stereotype that I have a massive member. All I got right now is pointing out to women that I have fairly large feet and asking "You know what they say about guys with big feet right?"

Most don't.

 

[obvious Child]

I for one think (using Mike Tyson's word) pornography "exasperates" social stereotypes. Porn and consumers of porn, demonstrates perverse, racial, and misogynistic qualities of society. I think when I see sights like "Ghetto gaggers, Milf lessons, Monster C***" I think people who mildly, or moderately consume porn, subconsciously subscribe to it. So do you guys think so?

Nah

These are more telling on what porn does:

Naomi Wolf on Why Porn Turns Men Off the Real Thing -- New York Magazine
How Porn Is Affecting the Libido of the American Male -- New York Magazine

 

[opendebate]

You're right, their is a dynamic power shift in the porn world on what sells, and what doesn't. Speaking on expanding the discussion, we can also discuss feminine empowerment through sexual and economic freedom as women are paid more than men, and in some cases, women being about to determine negotiations regarding pay. On the flip side a hardcore feminist would argue that in order for women to be.economically stable they must become subservient to the patriarchal rules that are in place.

I read long ago Katherine Mackinnon would argue that porn takes thep erson away and replaces her with an object.

For Mackinnon, pornography is to satisfy male lust through female subservience. A prime argument you would say would be what we see in hardcore porn are women getting on their knees waiting for the money shot.

The porn industry needs to evolve. It is working off of old ideas about taboos and women's roles and clings to them because there is a certainty in an audience for them still and after all, they aren't making these films because they are an artistic expression they are making then to make money. If anyone produced work that was more in step with how people really think and behave they would probably make a killing. I guess that's why home grown videos and tumbler are so successful.

 

[Hypersonic]

The porn industry needs to evolve. It is working off of old ideas about taboos and women's roles and clings to them because there is a certainty in an audience for them still and after all, they aren't making these films because they are an artistic expression they are making then to make money. If anyone produced work that was more in step with how people really think and behave they would probably make a killing. I guess that's why home grown videos and tumbler are so successful.

Agreed.

 

[rathi]

Porn is as diverse in its attitudes and material as any other form of video. Some of it reinforces crude stereotypes, some of it shatters said stereotypes. The idea you can generalize the entire subject with sweeping statements is simply inaccurate.

 

[Higgins86]

"me so horny" as the Japanese would say.

 

[Surtr]

So do you guys think so?

Nope. Unless you buy into the stereotype that pizza boys show up to your doorstep with their dicks in the box.

 

[Hypersonic]

Porn is as diverse in its attitudes and material as any other form of video. Some of it reinforces crude stereotypes, some of it shatters said stereotypes. The idea you can generalize the entire subject with sweeping statements is simply inaccurate.

Just because porn is diverse does not mean the videos that are popular do not represent the crude stereotypes of society. Shall I do my homework and prove this right?

 

[rathi]

Just because porn is diverse does not mean the videos that are popular do not represent the crude stereotypes of society. Shall I do my homework and prove this right?

If you have the data, show it. I'd be curious to see what genres are the most popular myself.

 

[sangha]

If you have the data, show it. I'd be curious to see what genres are the most popular myself.

Lesbian porn (for straight guys), POV bj, asian...

Oh wait! Those are *my* faves:3oops:

 

[douglas]

Agreed. But ejaculating on a woman's face is that NOT pornographic? Is that NOT sustaining male dominance?

No. First of all, there's a strange concept that covering skin with semen is a form of degradation; this is provably false, since just about every man has had it touch their own skin, and at no time said, "Oh, NO! I've Degraded myself!", or had any thoughts to that effect. It simply doesn't stem from any real basis where semen "degrades" something.

The other idea is quite the reverse; semen = mother's milk. It's a neo-Freudian idea that a man is attempting to "breast feed" the women. Within the context of that viewpoint, it's actually about feminizing the man. Just as a Woman expressing breast milk, even when it is "shown" instead of "consumed", it's never a masculine trait to show milk, but a feminine one; why would it suddenly be a masculine act just because a man does it? When we're talking about an action, it should be defined objectively, and that would show ejaculation to be a feminine act; that it's from a man doesn't change the act of expressing "milk". If we define an action as masculine simply because a man did it, then it's circular logic.