Muslims in Britain have Zero tolerance of Homosexuality, says poll
Survey shows UK Muslims have more conservative attitudes on sex than Muslims in France and Germany
Religious affairs correspondent/Guardian.co.uk.
7 May 2009
Muslims in Britain have Zero tolerance towards homosexual acts compared to their counterparts in France and Germany, according to a survey published today.
The Gallup poll features the results of telephone and face-to-face interviews with Muslims and non-Muslims in the UK, France and Germany and is designed to measure global attitudes towards people from different faith traditions.
It shows that British Muslims hold more conservative opinions towards homosexual acts, abortion, viewing pornography, suicide and sex outside marriage than European Muslims, polling markedly lower when asked if they believed these things were morally acceptable.
The most dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality. NONE of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable. 1,001 non-Muslim Britons were interviewed.
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This compares to 35% in France, the most liberal, and 19% in Germany.
I wonder how it is in Arabic countries.... Criminal.
Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll | UK news | guardian.co.uk
The inevitable apologia of various sorts to follow.
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Mogahed said some of the findings surprised her, particularly that British Muslims identified more with their home nation than did non-Muslims because "it flew in the face of conventional wisdom". She expressed concern that British Muslims were less happier and less "thriving" than Muslims overseas. "The British Muslim community is disproportionately unemployed."
The report suggested that integration should be focusing on economic opportunity rather than religious issues, she added.
The survey, the Gallup Coexist Index 2009, concluded that while European Muslims not only accepted but welcomed the freedoms, democratic institutions, justice, and human rights that characterised their societies, their perceived lack of integration was often explained by their rejection of liberal, sexual mores.
This compares to 35% in France, the most liberal, and 19% in Germany.
I wonder how it is in Arabic countries.... Criminal.
Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll | UK news | guardian.co.uk
The inevitable apologia of various sorts to follow.
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The inevitable apologia of various sorts to follow.
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I INCLUDED the main/opening chunk and it's Headline from Your favorite Leftist source, Guardian.The inevitable other appropriate parts of the article which you chose to leave out.
"The British Muslim community is disproportionately unemployed.".......
Now it might be worth talking about
Red_Dave said:So its not possible to disagree with Muslims while still maintaining that they are not all involved in an apocalyptical conspiricy against the west?
But don't you know, MBIG, that _________ (choose a people) living back in ____ (choose century or millenium) were very similar, and even today you can find some ______(choose people again) who are very similar if you just look hard enough (but NEVER mention the tiny percentage)
So you see - -it's all the same!
I could make a better fill in the blank than that, newb.
It's always so invigorating to be called a newb by a kid young enough to be my grandson.
I INCLUDED the main/opening chunk and it's Headline from Your favorite Leftist source, Guardian.
As we are not allowed to post Whole articles here (see Rule 9a).
So because Muslims have an unemployment rate of (say for argument) 17% vs 12% for the General Populous--- that makes 100% of them Intolerant of Gays?!?!*&^&%&$^$^.
WHAT!
I thought the diversion/delusion in the ME section was preposterous (and it Is), but..
This is more Bizarre, far-fetched, and IRRELEVANT, than the apologism I had imagined I'd find elsewhere. (not really)
This compares to 35% in France, the most liberal, and 19% in Germany.
I wonder how it is in Arabic countries.... Criminal.
Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll | UK news | guardian.co.uk
The inevitable apologia of various sorts to follow.
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-- run the poll in a Christian country 50+ years ago --
-- that is not some way of excusing their backward thinking, just a fact.
Sadly, Mainstream Muslim teaching accepts and promotes Violence.
by TAWFIK HAMID //// April 3, 2007 //// Wall Street Journal
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But indeed, there is much that is clearly wrong with the Islamic world. Women are stoned to death and undergo clitorectomies.
Gays hang from the gallows under the approving eyes of the proponents of Shariah, the legal code of Islam.
Sunni and Shia massacre each other daily in Iraq.
Palestinian mothers teach 3-year-old boys and girls the ideal of martyrdom. One would expect the orthodox Islamic establishment to evade or dismiss these complaints, but less happily, the non-Muslim priests of enlightenment in the West have come, actively and passively, to the Islamists' defense.
These "progressives" frequently cite the need to examine "root causes." In this they are correct: Terrorism is only the manifestation of a disease and not the disease itself. But the root-causes are quite different from what they think. As a former member of Jemaah Islamiya, a group led by al Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, I know firsthand that the inhumane teaching in Islamist ideology...."
".... Yet it is ironic and discouraging that many non-Muslim, Western intellectuals--who unceasingly claim to support human rights--have become OBSTACLES to reforming Islam. Political Correctness among Westerners Obstructs unambiguous criticism of Shariah's inhumanity.
They find Socioeconomic or political EXCUSES for Islamist terrorism such as Poverty, colonialism, discrimination or the existence of Israel. What incentive is there for Muslims to demand reform when Western "progressives" pave the way for Islamist Barbarity?
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Politicians and scholars in the West have taken up the chant that Islamic extremism is caused by the Arab-Israeli conflict. This analysis cannot convince any rational person that the Islamist murder of over 150,000 innocent people in Algeria--which happened in the last few decades--or their slaying of hundreds of Buddhists in Thailand, or the brutal violence between Sunni and Shia in Iraq could have anything to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict.
Western feminists duly fight in their home countries for equal pay and opportunity, but seemingly ignore, under a façade of cultural relativism, that large numbers of women in the Islamic world live under threat of beating, execution and genital mutilation, or cannot vote, drive cars and dress as they please.[.....]Western Appeasement of their Muslim communities has exacerbated the problem.
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Progressives need to realize that radical Islam is based on an antiliberal system. They need to awaken to the inhumane policies and practices of Islamists around the world. They need to realize that Islamism spells the death of liberal values. And they must not take for granted the respect for human rights and dignity that we experience in America, and indeed, the West, today.
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It is a huge irony that the Muslims in the West that tend to be defended by the 'tolerant' and politically correct Left, are themselves highly intolerant of the looser sexual mores that the Left 'prides' itself in.
The Left makes mascots of anything they perceive as exotic. They are especially fascinated with the customs of those with darker skin, for some reason. If you practice voodoo or Muslim fundamentalism and have dark skin, then you are the darling of the Multiculturalists. If you practice Christian faith healing or Mormonism and have a lighter complexion, you are considered a dangerous member of the Christian Right worthy of comtempt and ridicule.
I agree. They are supposedly 'tolerant' but want to squelch the free expression of those who differ with them. Somehow, a prayer said by a coach before a school football game is a huge threat to their freedom of thought and religion and a fundamental violation of the American constitution. Yet for non-Christian minorities they give a carte blanche.Beyond the incredible hypocrisy of these people, I'm often amazed at how illiberal they are. This stupid dogmatism of theirs has replaced any semblance of liberalism, as they have become little more than lock step fundamentalists, themselves.
There are still some true liberals out there these days, but they are becoming increasingly difficult to find due to all the bleating provided by the leftist fundies.
It is a huge irony that the Muslims in the West that tend to be defended by the 'tolerant' and politically correct Left, are themselves highly intolerant of the looser sexual mores that the Left 'prides' itself in.
The Left makes mascots of anything they perceive as exotic. They are especially fascinated with the customs of those with darker skin, for some reason. If you practice voodoo or Muslim fundamentalism and have dark skin, then you are the darling of the Multiculturalists. If you practice Christian faith healing or Mormonism and have a lighter complexion, you are considered a dangerous member of the Christian Right worthy of comtempt and ridicule.
Not even 50, in most parts of Europe, laws against homosexual acts were only repealed in the last 30-40 years.
And the huge irony is that the "christian" community is in total denial of their own issues on exactly the same thing.
It is the Christian right and right wing in the US that is pushing for denying homosexuals the same basic rights as heterosexuals and I would wager if they could get away with it, then they would ban homosexuality and make it a crime in a heartbeat. It is Christians in Africa that are attacking gays and burning women and girls for being "witches". It is Christian evangelicals that are pushing for the death penalty in Uganda for the "crime" of being gay... and funny enough these very same evangelicals are funded and backed by US evangelicals.
So the question is, if we are to be disgusted of those in the muslim community
that have these opinions then why are we not just as disgusted of the Christians who have the exact same (and worse) opinions in our own communities? No people defend those Christians tooth and nail and claim some sort of attack on Christianity, while the next second they attack Muslims.... hypocrites.
And if anything, it is the right (conservatives) that are promoting anti-gay, anti-jewish, anti-muslim and anti everything basically and always have. The amount of denial out there is astounding, especially in the US, but yes it is not only in the US.
Or, you can act intelligently, and consider the attitudes expressed rather than those expressing them.
If all you have is a simplistic template whereby you label something according to who says it, and then either suport or reject accordingly, you have rendered yourself little more than a reactionary.
And in FACT I Did add the other RELEVANT numbers which were better for France and Germany.Even if you are not allowed to print the whole article it would be possible to give an indication of what it was saying.
True, the Leftist Piece of crap Guardian, in full apology mode (and as panicked as you about these Disturbing numbers for which there is No excuse but Bigotry), went a wandering for IRRELEVANT economic factors, as the ridiculous 'unemployment' you cited.Your mistake was in choosing the Guardian rather than the Daily Mail which would have had an article to suit your mindset.
Odd. (and Contrary to your red herring)...When people are to some degree persecuted as I think it is fair to say Muslims are in the UK, then of course you will find them looking to some way to find some meaning in their life's. If they are left feeling isolated then the only thing they have left to base their identity on, is being Muslim and we should not be surprised if that is sometimes taken somewhat to extremes.
The attitudes expressed are stupid and moronic regardless of the religion of the person expressing them and that is my point.
Time and time again (even in this thread) it is Muslim this muslim that with total disregard to what certain Christian or Jews or others do in the exact same situation.
Yes many Muslims and especially religious Muslims are anti-gay, but so are many Christians and Jews, especially the religious radicals. There is zero difference in their attitudes. And this often goes on many issues, the amount of agreement among the radicals in any religion is startling.
Focusing constantly on Muslims and their views is un-intelligent drivel by people (usually) on the right but also in general. One should focus on the opinion's and actions of the people in question regardless of what religion they have..A gay basher is a gay basher, regardless if he is Christian, Muslim, Jewish, an Athiest or a martian.
But as long as the right seems to be in their anti-Muslim mode, then they will be countered by people like me, with their own hypocrisy in the fact they are not just as equally critical of their own "people" who have exactly the same views often and are not Muslim.
Going slightly off topic. extremism, from both sides, has and does breed disproportionate reactionary responses. After reading various articles about the 7/7 bombers what often shines through is the utter hopelessness some elements of society feel [in this case the Muslim community] The bombers grew up in a westernized society, integrating for the most part-holding down jobs or in education, but still became radicalised. What we need to understand is aggression often breeds aggression. This is not me coming from a pacifist stance but following logic.
Paul
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