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We tried being nice. We tried using logic and reason. We tried using data. We tried using bribes. We tried appealing to emotion, to general decency and empathy. You're surprised that we eventually got frustrated with your hostility? "SHEEP! THINK FOR YOURSELVES! YOU'RE LIVING IN FEAR!" was your response.
**** off, antivaxxers. We tried to be nice to you. You get the stick now.
B.S.Antivaxxerss tend to be either irrationally fearful or massively ignorant.
"Catching covid from taking the vaccine" oh for ****'s sake.
"Catching covid from taking the vaccine" oh for ****'s sake.
B.S.
Yeah, although the willing more often citing problems getting it is to be expected. They are, after all, willing, just haven't been able.What I found interesting was how similar the concerns were between those willing to get the vaccine and those who are resistant to getting it.
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I don't think it's a doctoral thesis. It appears to be an actual study.
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As noted in the snipped above from the study, it's the "publicly facing entities/individuals" that have the lowest levels of trust.
And I think their supporters, whom I'm calling here the "pro-vaxxers," are largely responsible for much of the mistrust - their vilifying, condemnatory, and insulting tactics against anyone who remotely isn't towing the line they are. Heck, just two posts up they were called "brain dead."
In their frustration to get people to agree with them, not realizing just how untrustworthy their tactics are, they've resorted to wishing people dead, wishing they'd die in their own pus, even wanting to see them burned at the stake; none of which is exactly trust-inducing rhetori
B.S.
Just wondering if you realize the massive irony here?
The folks NOT getting the vax are not living in fear at all. The folks that are demanding everyone get a jab are the ones in fear - OMG the sky is falling! You must comply, resistance is futile!
I'm not antivax at all, but if you are concerned, get the vax and stay out of other's personal choices. If someone gets sick and didn't get the vax, why should you care?
My wife worked with a secondary high school counselor that was fully vaxxed and died from Covid this week. In her 50s.
Somehow it's all the antivaxers fault.
Where is the logic in that?
Yes, I kind of questioned that.What I found interesting was how similar the concerns were between those willing to get the vaccine and those who are resistant to getting it.
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Yeah very interesting... why would anyone question safety of vaccine... Hmmm?
What I'm saying is that once they had the other reasons and expressed them, the reaction by the vaccine insisters made them even more resolved not to take it.No, that’s not what’s going on.
1. Read the report linked to in the OP. If what you were saying is true the report would say the respondents said they didn’t take the vaccine because “people were mean to me.” Instead most of them say they didn’t take the vaccine for other reasons such as fears of side effects. If you read comments on this forum most people aren’t saying they are anti vax because people are mean to them, they are saying they are anti vax for other reasons. Is it your opinion that everyone is just lying about why they are anti vax?
I'd like to see some evidence that the carping didn't start until Delta started. I think the attacks did spike to current levels when we realized what a colossal mistake Fauci and the CDC had made in telling us that enough people were vaccinated already to stop masking and distancing. That seems like misplaced anger to me.2. There wasn’t much hostility towards anti vaxxers in early 2021 when vaccines became widely available or even at the beginning of summer. The hostility mostly started when the Delta wave started hitting the US and caused a huge spike in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. We know most of the problems we are experiencing now are mostly the result of people not getting vaccinated. That’s when people started blaming the unvaccinated and insulting them, and for good reason. It’s their fault. They’ve had 6 to 8 months to get vaccinated and they decided for whatever reason they didn’t want to do it. And that’s why people are being mean to them now.
Then why are people of color less likely to be vaccinated than Whites? Are they also following those evil Republicans?3. There appears to be a very strong cultural, geographic, and political aspect to being anti vax. Look at the states where people are vaccinated the least. They are mostly rural, or southern, or the predominantly evangelical regions of the country. And when you look at it from that angle it is not as if people are anti vax in those places because people in their community are mean to them. It as if people are anti vax because other people in their community are also anti vax. Then what do you hear on Fox News, and OANN, and Newsmax? What are evangelical preachers saying? What are Republican political leaders doing and saying? This idea you have that someone is watching CNN or reads a comment on an Internet forum gets insulted and then decides to become anti vax is silly. What they are doing is watching conservative news, consuming content from their anti vax friends and relatives, and listening to Republican elected officials, and listening to their evangelical preacher who doesn’t know shit about science. THAT is how they are forming their conclusions about getting vaccinated.
Maybe... Just maybe... People might question it because there's no way to know if the vaccine has any long term negative side effects.
That would be a damned good reason if you ask me.
There is also no way to know if radiation coming out of latest IPhones as well as Android phones has any long term negative side effect, yet 99% of people don't seem to care.
Nice try at turning the blame around but it is a fail. You might as well just quote the one term mistake, he said the same thing. He said the anti-vaxxers don't trust the vaccine because he lost the election. We aren't the ones making a political statement by endangering the health and welfare of millions of Americans.I don't think it's a doctoral thesis. It appears to be an actual study.
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As noted in the snipped above from the study, it's the "publicly facing entities/individuals" that have the lowest levels of trust.
And I think their supporters, whom I'm calling here the "pro-vaxxers," are largely responsible for much of the mistrust - their vilifying, condemnatory, and insulting tactics against anyone who remotely isn't towing the line they are. Heck, just two posts up they were called "brain dead."
In their frustration to get people to agree with them, not realizing just how untrustworthy their tactics are, they've resorted to wishing people dead, wishing they'd die in their own pus, even wanting to see them burned at the stake; none of which is exactly trust-inducing rhetoric.
Did you mistype that?Vaccine long term side effects have always been found within first few months.
What I'm saying is that once they had the other reasons and expressed them, the reaction by the vaccine insisters made them even more resolved not to take it.
When I was about eight and my brother was about six, we once asked my dad for a gumball from the machine. Dad would usually do that, it was a penny or a nickle back then. But this time, he said no, probably because he had grocery bags in his arms, the old fashioned paper kind. My brother literally threw himself on the floor and drummed the floor with his fists and kicked the floor with his feet and said "Aaaaaagh." He must have seen that on a TV show, because he had never done anything like that before.
My dad chastised him outside and told him that if he ever pulled a stunt like that, he would "literally wear you out." He didn't spank him, or even ground him. But he sure AF did NOT go back in and buy him a gumball, even though he could put the groceries down and dig out a nickel with no problem.
I didn't know back then, fifty-one years ago, that I would be telling that story now, or I would have tracked whether my father ever bought my brother a gumball again. I'm guessing not for a long time.
I'd like to see some evidence that the carping didn't start until Delta started. I think the attacks did spike to current levels when we realized what a colossal mistake Fauci and the CDC had made in telling us that enough people were vaccinated already to stop masking and distancing. That seems like misplaced anger to me.
Then why are people of color less likely to be vaccinated than Whites? Are they also following those evil Republicans?
Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity | KFF
KFF is collecting and analyzing data on COVID-19 vaccinations by race/ethnicity to gain increased insight who is receiving the vaccine and whether some groups are facing disparities in vaccination.www.kff.org
Why are migrant at the border refusing vaccinations at the same rate as Americans? Did they watch a lot of Sean Hannity before they decided to migrate?
Thousands of detained undocumented immigrants are refusing to get vaccinated
Advocates and public health experts say it's understandable and have offered solutions.www.wtsp.com
The biggest expressed concern of those that didn't vaccinate and know they are about to die of Covid is that they are very stupid people.Guessing this is a doctoral thesis using a study?
I wonder how long it will take for someone to blame Republicans or blast outright to just get it?
Are you Duece?1. Are you Edwin?
2. This study was released today. If the primary reason people were not taking vaccines because they felt insulted you would see it in this study. Instead it’s stuff like vaccine side effects. Do you trust this study you posted or nit
If people weren’t getting vaccinated because people were mean to them then this study you posted would say so. Are the people who participated in this study lying?
don’t know. but I do know the group that is the least vaccinated is Republicans. The group less vaccinated than Republicans is 2020 Trump voters. MA
Don’t know, but it is interesting to me their rate of vaccination is much higher than Republicans.
Oh dear, an anti-vaxxer who pushes propaganda is going to ignore someone he disagrees with....the horror....Are you Duece?
So, you believe - you know, in fact, that people always reveal their true self in surveys and polls?
If you don't get that a motive like not trusting a vaccine that was rushed to the market, could be reinforced by the childish behavior of people who insist that the mistrusting person get vaccinated, then you do not understand human nature.
I recommend you get out from behind the keyboard more.
I provided links for my claims about who is and isn't vaccinated.
Until you do the same, I will ignore your assertions about it.
And I think their supporters, whom I'm calling here the "pro-vaxxers," are largely responsible for much of the mistrust - their vilifying, condemnatory, and insulting tactics against anyone who remotely isn't towing the line they are. Heck, just two posts up they were called "brain dead."
In their frustration to get people to agree with them, not realizing just how untrustworthy their tactics are, they've resorted to wishing people dead, wishing they'd die in their own pus, even wanting to see them burned at the stake; none of which is exactly trust-inducing rhetoric.
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