Pelosi: Democrats Are Not Going To Fund Trump's "Immoral" Border Wall

[Moderate Right]

You've got to look at the bigger picture here... our 160 million-person Labor Force is competing with China's 800 million and India's 500 million and the EU's 240 million. The only thing that has kept us on top so far has been our technological edge.... but that's been steadily eroding - information is easier and easier to obtain and with it, comes technological growth. We can't maintain that edge in the same way anymore... if we want to stay competitive, we need all the bodies we can get. If we shut out the world and keep people from coming here, all we're essentially doing is cutting off our nose to spite our face.

But that is what LEGAL immigration is for. Whatever our needs are, we adjust the LEGAL immigration number to what we need. Illegals should be stopped.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Neither party seems to want to fund it. Hey, I guess Trump has managed some bipartisan agreement.

ETA: I don’t think the wall is immoral, just a waste.

 

[Cardinal]

Because Democrats have totally and completely convinced me that it would accomplish a LOT. Even Pelosi thinks the wall will work and therefore deems it "immoral". Therefore, your argument is incorrect.

Her actual quote:

"It's about border security. Most of us, speaking for myself, consider the wall immoral, ineffective, expensive. And the president said he'd promise, he also promised Mexico would pay for it."

Why did you feel the need to lie about what she said and thinks?

 

[Deuce]

The wall pays for itself. Therefore, no one actually pays for the wall. Not Mexico. Not the US. Remember how you guys said the Mueller investigation pays for itself? Ditto this.

Free college tuition will pay for itself.

 

[Cardinal]

Doesn't matter who pays for it in the first place. If it winds up costing 30 billion and we save 30 billion, then it has cost zero, just as in the Mueller investigation, right?

Trump's promises that Mexico would pay for it matter to me. Sorry.

 

[Moderate Right]

In fact, many things the government does actually makes the problem worse.

I would change that statement to, "In fact, most things the government does actually makes the problem worse".

 

[Deuce]

I would change that statement to, "In fact, most things the government does actually makes the problem worse".

This is one of those things.

 

[mike2810]

When my ancestors came from Italy they were greeted at Elis Island, while that was no picnic they were treated humanely and efficiently; they were scrutinized and those that were deemed undesirable were sent back. The truth is we need immigrant labor, we have during my 67 years and will for the foreseeable future. Rather that pretend we don't we need to regulate it and offer a legal way for more immigrants to work here.

- One you need to keep in mind when in historical context of when your ancestors migrated to the US.
- You just stated they came in through legal channels. I have no objections to legal migration. I do object to illegal migration.
- Yes our immigration laws should be reviewed and changed. Things like birth right citizenship, amnesty, work visa, etc. all need to be reviewed and changed.
- Besides controlling the border, employers need to be held accountable.

If one does not have control of the border, then any immigration laws are pretty meaningless.

 

[Moderate Right]

Mm hm. Trump said countless times that Mexico would pay for the wall. In case you haven't caught on yet, I'm not going to let that go.

The wall will cost nothing in the long run. Nobody pays for it. Your argument is for political purposes only.

 

[Cardinal]

1. A wall is infrastructure. Simply because it's become a highly charged political item does not change this.

2. A wall might pay for itself over a lengthy period of time.

3. A wall is not likely to pay for itself within a reasonable period of time. The defeat mechanism for a wall is a ladder, so, while it will stop some illegal immigration across the border, it is unlikely to stop all of it.


A more serious issue would be fixing our Visa Overstay issue. A better issue would be mandating E-Verify, and putting teeth into enforcement. Instead we are yelling at each other and adopting stupid moral-pretensions over an only semi-effective symbol.

The wall will cost nothing in the long run. Nobody pays for it.

A sound approach would be to let Mexico pay for that experiment.

 

[Cordelier]

But that is what LEGAL immigration is for. Whatever our needs are, we adjust the LEGAL immigration number to what we need. Illegals should be stopped.

The problem is that that's not what we're doing.... if our immigration laws weren't too restrictive - like they were before the 1920's - I'd suggest to you that there wouldn't be any illegal immigration.

 

[trouble13]

Interesting word choice. I don't claim to know every migrant's motivation, but the poor generally come because they have very limited means of supporting themselves in their countries so they leave when they cannot provide for their families.

Isnt what you just described a definition of greed?

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[Dittohead not!]

The wall will cost nothing in the long run. Nobody pays for it. Your argument is for political purposes only.

If that's true, then the government doesn't have to pay for it. Private capital will pay for it in order to earn a profit. Why look for a socialistic solution when capitalism serves better?

 

[Moderate Right]

Interesting word choice. I don't claim to know every migrant's motivation, but the poor generally come because they have very limited means of supporting themselves in their countries so they leave when they cannot provide for their families.

And the left want us to buy the nonsense that they are leaving their countries because of thugs. If that were true they would have just stayed in Mexico instead of pressing on to the US.

 

[Moderate Right]

Her actual quote:

"It's about border security. Most of us, speaking for myself, consider the wall immoral, ineffective, expensive. And the president said he'd promise, he also promised Mexico would pay for it."

Why did you feel the need to lie about what she said and thinks?

Nothing but partisan babble. Her own statement contradicts itself.

 

[Moderate Right]

Free college tuition will pay for itself.

No it won't.

 

[Ikari]

We do lots of things in government that do not "fully solve our long term problems" - probably most of what government does don't fully solve the problem.

It's how we find ourselves in such deep holes all the time. We keep going for short-term immediate gratification instead of long-term solutions.

 

[Cordelier]

I think the only recent Administration that had a sensible immigration policy was George W. Bush's... if we had passed a sensible compromise bill in 2005 - along the lines of the Kennedy-McCain bill - with amnesty, a substantial guest worker program, and a loosening of immigration restrictions... and with more money for border security - we'd be in a far better situation than we find ourselves today.

 

[OrphanSlug]

In today's nearly daily shocking statements here is another that makes average Americans shake their heads in wonder....

What exactly is "immoral" about wanting to construct a wall on our border to protect it from illegal entry?

This is an old but expected argument, and the "immoral" part is a political argument devoid of much else.

The real issue is Republicans losing the House pretty much set us up to see budgets and other legislation efforts held up by Trump's wall.

 

[Moderate Right]

The problem is that that's not what we're doing.... if our immigration laws weren't too restrictive - like they were before the 1920's - I'd suggest to you that there wouldn't be any illegal immigration.

Hey, I'm all for making whatever adjustments are needed for legal immigration as long as we clamp down on illegal immigration. The goal for illegal immigration should always be zero.

 

[prometeus]

In today's nearly daily shocking statements here is another that makes average Americans shake their heads in wonder....

What exactly is "immoral" about wanting to construct a wall on our border to protect it from illegal entry?

It is immoral to throw money away to fund Trumps idiocy.

 

[Moderate Right]

If that's true, then the government doesn't have to pay for it. Private capital will pay for it in order to earn a profit. Why look for a socialistic solution when capitalism serves better?

Interesting thought. I'm going to make a poll on that.

 

[Cordelier]

Hey, I'm all for making whatever adjustments are needed for legal immigration as long as we clamp down on illegal immigration. The goal for illegal immigration should always be zero.

Isn't that North Korea's goal?

 

[trouble13]

1. A wall is infrastructure. Simply because it's become a highly charged political item does not change this.

2. A wall might pay for itself over a lengthy period of time.

3. A wall is not likely to pay for itself within a reasonable period of time. The defeat mechanism for a wall is a ladder, so, while it will stop some illegal immigration across the border, it is unlikely to stop all of it.


A more serious issue would be fixing our Visa Overstay issue. A better issue would be mandating E-Verify, and putting teeth into enforcement. Instead we are yelling at each other and adopting stupid moral-pretensions over an only semi-effective symbol.

I dont agree with you about the wall not being necessary but I do agree with you on the other two things. Imo they can both be fixed easily and inexpensively by combining your Visa status and you gov issued ID card together and make them expire on the same date.

If you get a driver's license it shows you here as a guest and it expires the same day as your Visa expires. I think that some change would reduce overstays and illegal hires.



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[Cardinal]

Nothing but partisan babble. Her own statement contradicts itself.

You lied about what she said. Why did you do that?