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Pat Robertson Threads

If Robertson wants to call for the assassination of world leaders, fine. I just want him to make sense. He said theat Venezuela could become a launchpad for communism and Islamic extremism as if the two are connected! The Islamic fundamentalists hate communism more than anything, and allied themselves with the U.S. to fight communism. Communism of course is extremely anti-religion and they wage war on all religions, look at Chechnya, Afghanistan the Balkans, Western China and of course the purging and oppression of religious types from the U.S.S.R.

By the way, even Bill O'Reilly found a call for murder from a Christian on a Christian talk show ridiculous, and the story even found it's way into the British press, although he was not linked to the Republicans or mainstream Christianity in any of the articles I read.
 
If Robertson wants to call for the assassination of world leaders, fine.
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Sounds kinda funny coming from someone who denounced what america is doing in iraq. We went to dethrone a leader(we didnt even kill him) and you call us terrorists, :lol:

Now I start to :doh
 
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epr64 said:
Didn't see it. Will try to find it, for that matter. I just loved the MPs.

Didn't hear 'bout it. I will have a look in that matter (a very good friend of mine is part of a solidarity network with Latin America, and is regularly in Venezuela). If you have a bit more info on this, I'd be glad to have it. Otherwise, I'll look by myself. But let's not forget that the opposition did a coup in 2002, and can nevertheless present candidates during elections. If Nader did a coup in the US ( :rofl ), would Bush still allow him to present himself to the next elections?

And what was that insight view like 15 years ago? I am interested in seeing the evolution of the people's point of view (by that, I mean all the people, whites AND indios). As for his declarations 'bout Cuba, I'll leave it to him and you, as I'm certainly not a great fan of Castro's hard-hand against opposition (eventhough it seems he's now too old to understand the traps that are laid for him to fall in), but I certainly appreceiate some of the efforts he does in the fields of education and health care. And so the Venezuelians, who finally have health care in zones where no doc passed before.

The Bolivarian revolution definitely helped the poor in Venezuela (and that's why Chavez was so easily re-elected at every elections). The reforms are totally socialistic in nature (not communist, BTW..), and help the people live a better life than what the oligarchy that led the country before allowed them to live.

I don't know if hate speech can be measured by the amount of people already killed at one moment in time. Hate speech it is, and as such, it should be condemned.

And be sure that talking with you is also stimulating.

Salmon is great. "Bon appétit"..

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A post like this is welcome. Instead of butting heads you will go study more but...... because of a post like this, so will I. I want to learn and I know that our media isn't the best place to do that. The internet is because we can go places our media only wants to tell us about and in it's biased way. I am a believer. I believe that our media will set the agenda it sees and the heck with the other side. This leads to partial information; partial understanding and partial actions and solutions.

Thanks for a great post. :duel :cool:
 
For the sake of the thread, I totally condem what Pat Robertson said and believe a sincere apology and retraction from him would probably fall short. How can anyone condem those who practice hate speech from one side or the other but not condem anyone that does? It's right for them or it's wrong for them but it's not different for either side. :duel :cool:
 
SKILMATIC said:
Sounds kinda funny coming from someone who denounced what america is doing in iraq. We went to dethrone a leader(we didnt even kill him) and you call us terrorists, :lol:

Now I start to :doh
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Well I do draw a distinction between the actions of a country and the stupid remarks of a single person, I simply didn't want to debate Robertsons right to say whatever he wants, it wasn't illegal (or shouldn't be), just really really hypocritical and damn stupid.
 
I condemn the words of Robertson..........That is the difference between Conservatives and Liberals........When a Conservative like Robertson makes and outrageous statement Conservatives condemn it.......When a Liberal like Sheehan or Moore make outrageous statements liberal never condemn it...........In fact they eat it up........
 
Navy Pride said:
I condemn the words of Robertson..........That is the difference between Conservatives and Liberals........When a Conservative like Robertson makes and outrageous statement Conservatives condemn it.......When a Liberal like Sheehan or Moore make outrageous statements liberal never condemn it...........In fact they eat it up........
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I agree, but that's a little harsh....It's not the right's JOB to condemn Robertson, although it may be helpful, just as it's not the left's JOB to condemn Sheehan or Moore, but would be equally helpful...

It works the same way on this forum...I have NEVER seen a Liberal tell another Liberal to "knock it off" or "grow up"...Yes, that is a generalization and I will stand by that until otherwise corrected. Not counting Moderators who try to keep the debate free-flowing, not ONCE....

For those on the Liberal side, please don't argue the same about Conservatives...Navy can be more than happy to be witness to that...

Just once, after someone shouts, "Bush lied! War for oil! He's a psychopath!", I'd like to see someone on the same team say, "Yo dude, you need to grow the hell up and throw out some intelligent thought".

I would be stunned beyond belief...
 
Originally posted by cnredd:
I agree, but that's a little harsh....It's not the right's JOB to condemn Robertson, although it may be helpful, just as it's not the left's JOB to condemn Sheehan or Moore, but would be equally helpful...

It works the same way on this forum...I have NEVER seen a Liberal tell another Liberal to "knock it off" or "grow up"...Yes, that is a generalization and I will stand by that until otherwise corrected. Not counting Moderators who try to keep the debate free-flowing, not ONCE....

For those on the Liberal side, please don't argue the same about Conservatives...Navy can be more than happy to be witness to that...

Just once, after someone shouts, "Bush lied! War for oil! He's a psychopath!", I'd like to see someone on the same team say, "Yo dude, you need to grow the hell up and throw out some intelligent thought".

I would be stunned beyond belief...
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Here's something you will never hear from a party member (either side):

"There guy is not that hot. But neither is ours!"
 
cnredd said:
I agree, but that's a little harsh....It's not the right's JOB to condemn Robertson, although it may be helpful, just as it's not the left's JOB to condemn Sheehan or Moore, but would be equally helpful...

It works the same way on this forum...I have NEVER seen a Liberal tell another Liberal to "knock it off" or "grow up"...Yes, that is a generalization and I will stand by that until otherwise corrected. Not counting Moderators who try to keep the debate free-flowing, not ONCE....

For those on the Liberal side, please don't argue the same about Conservatives...Navy can be more than happy to be witness to that...

Just once, after someone shouts, "Bush lied! War for oil! He's a psychopath!", I'd like to see someone on the same team say, "Yo dude, you need to grow the hell up and throw out some intelligent thought".

I would be stunned beyond belief...
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Well I condemn what he said and the circle of Conservative friends that I associate with condemn it..........I have heard Conservative commentators like Michael Medved and Shawn Hannity condemn what Robertson said but I have yet to hear 1 liberal anywhere here or on TV condemn some of the outrageous things that Sheehan has said..........
 
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Billo_Really said:
Here's something you will never hear from a party member (either side):

"There guy is not that hot. But neither is ours!"
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While your busy trying to create flame, apparently you missed the post where I said I might have voted for Leiberman or Gephardt if the Democratic Party had either of them as their nominee...
 
cnredd said:
While your busy trying to create flame, apparently you missed the post where I said I might have voted for Leiberman or Gephardt if the Democratic Party had either of them as their nominee...
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I don't know about Gephardt, he is a little to controlled by the Unions, but I would have definitely considered a Joe Leiberman ot a John Breax if they were to get the democratic nomination........Sadly because the democratic party is controlled by the far left they would have no chance to ever get their partys nomination...........
 
Originally posted by cnredd:
While your busy trying to create flame, apparently you missed the post where I said I might have voted for Leiberman or Gephardt if the Democratic Party had either of them as their nominee...
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I saw it. So what! What is it about them that you like? Or were you just throwing the dog a bone?

Care to name the post I was illuminating?
 
Originally posted by Navy Pride:
Well I condemn what he said and the circle of Conservative friends that I associate with condemn it..........I have heard Conservative commentators like Michael Medved and Shawn Hannity condemn what Robertson said but I have yet to hear 1 liberal anywhere here or on TV condemn some of the outrageous things that Sheehan has said..........
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You only condemn things that you disagree with. With Sheehan, most people are in agreement with her.

Why do you think she should be condemned? Do you not see just how radical your position is?
 
You only condemn things that you disagree with. With Sheehan, most people are in agreement with her.

Why do you think she should be condemned? Do you not see just how radical your position is?
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Do you think your country is worth fighting for? Sheehan doesn't........do you agree with her?
 
A quick update for clarification. Pat Robertson today went public that his comments were misrepresented. He said his comment to 'take out' Chavez was meant as if Chavez could be deposed, that should be done. He didn't necessarily have assassination in mind but was thinking coup, kidnapping, or any manner of methods by which new leadership could be installed. He apologized for the way he stated the situation and admitted he should have said it differently.

Now I don't know what Pat Robertson had in mind, and whatever it was, it was a really stupid thing to say. I don't condone it and think a lot of folks would do better to think of the effect of their words before they speak to the entire world on public television. Robertson deserves the criticism he is getting. But he has admitted error and has apologized.

Should his clarification and apology be enough to put out the fire?
 
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Do you think your country is worth fighting for? Sheehan doesn't........do you agree with her?
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Of coarse I do. But I don't agree that she doesn't. Your not fighting "for" this country in Iraq. I've got all the freedoms I need right now. The fighting in Iraq will not give me any more. Nor will it make me feel any safer than if we never had gone. This war in Iraq is not about us (American citizens). It is about corporate greed and the WTO.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Should his clarification and apology be enough to put out the fire?
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It won't be until the next big story shows up....

I guess the Republicans can kill another girl in Aruba to get the public's mind off of it, eh?:2wave:
 
Billo_Really said:
Of coarse I do. But I don't agree that she doesn't. Your not fighting "for" this country in Iraq. I've got all the freedoms I need right now. The fighting in Iraq will not give me any more. Nor will it make me feel any safer than if we never had gone. This war in Iraq is not about us (American citizens). It is about corporate greed and the WTO.
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She did not say Iraq.........She just said this country is not worth fighting for........She even did not want to fight in Afghanistan

Oh is that the same WTO that Clinton approved in NAFTA and GATT?
 
Originally posted by Navy Pride:
She did not say Iraq.........She just said this country is not worth fighting for........She even did not want to fight in Afghanistan

Oh is that the same WTO that Clinton approved in NAFTA and GATT?
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I'll have to admit, I didn't see the speech your refering too. If she didn't qualify it with Iraq, then yes, I disagree with her. This country, in spite of the fact I am very disappointed with it right now, IS worth fighting for. I will think that to the day I die.

I have mixed feelings about Afganistan. But I'm more for than I am against.

Yes, the same WTO. I've got issues with the Clinton Admin too. Just not as many as I do with "what's his name".
 
Billo_Really said:
I'll have to admit, I didn't see the speech your refering too. If she didn't qualify it with Iraq, then yes, I disagree with her. This country, in spite of the fact I am very disappointed with it right now, IS worth fighting for. I will think that to the day I die.

I have mixed feelings about Afganistan. But I'm more for than I am against.

Yes, the same WTO. I've got issues with the Clinton Admin too. Just not as many as I do with "what's his name".
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I am shocked you haven't heard her say that because she has said it on almost every News talk show she has been on........I heard her say it to Chris Matthews on hardball..............If you go to Google and search on it you will find it all over the net.....

Well at least you sort of condemn it....
 
I think the both of them are idiots!

They're both examples of selfish, self righteous extremism in the US that only serve to undermine everything that our nation hopes to accomplish.

As a republican, pro-war american, I'm disgusted that I would be associated with a man like Pat Robertson who is now the poster boy of the american right! A man that confirms all the Rhetoric that these sick Islamic extremists are preaching to naive kids who don't know any better but to believe it!

and Cindy Sheehan's posters are right next to Pat's on Islamic fundamentalists walls giving them all the more reason to believe they can regress our military operations into a somalia or vietnam! (all due respect for her grief). Its no better then Pat Robertson, that she schedules press conferences every day to spread anti-bush, anti-american sentiment without any regard for the rest of the soldiers who stand to suffer as a direct consequence of her activism.

Combine them both and you've given extremist a moral stance and an emboldened confidence thats fueling what they're doing.

And you know? the both of them have the right to say what they're saying and do what they're doing, but, the extra body count that'll result from both their actions because Zarkowi thinks he can stage the Iraq version of the Tet offensive doesn't give me any pleasure in the fact that people like this have the right to say or do anything!

God bless America for putting up with Selfish, self-righteous pains in the A$$es like these two!
 
Crispy said:
I think the both of them are idiots!

They're both examples of selfish, self righteous extremism in the US that only serve to undermine everything that our nation hopes to accomplish.

As a republican, pro-war american, I'm disgusted that I would be associated with a man like Pat Robertson who is now the poster boy of the american right! A man that confirms all the Rhetoric that these sick Islamic extremists are preaching to naive kids who don't know any better but to believe it!

and Cindy Sheehan's posters are right next to Pat's on Islamic fundamentalists walls giving them all the more reason to believe they can regress our military operations into a somalia or vietnam! (all due respect for her grief). Its no better then Pat Robertson, that she schedules press conferences every day to spread anti-bush, anti-american sentiment without any regard for the rest of the soldiers who stand to suffer as a direct consequence of her activism.

Combine them both and you've given extremist a moral stance and an emboldened confidence thats fueling what they're doing.

And you know? the both of them have the right to say what they're saying and do what they're doing, but, the extra body count that'll result from both their actions because Zarkowi thinks he can stage the Iraq version of the Tet offensive doesn't give me any pleasure in the fact that people like this have the right to say or do anything!

God bless America for putting up with Selfish, self-righteous pains in the A$$es like these two!
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That was harsh, emotional, cutting, and I loved every minute of it...:2wave:
 
OK. Robertson, after saying he didn't say it, made excuses.. immediately followed by a stream of comments on Chavez that are pure BS.

What matters is that he excused himself for the fact of promoting the killing of someone (anyone, for that matter), and that's what is important. Not that I believe he's really sorry, mind me. But because that will probably set off any nutcase that thought it was a good idea to follow on his craziness.

As for his other comments, he's got the right to criticize anyone he wants.

Thx for all of you for the discussion on this thread. After quite a time on forums a lot less civil than this one, I was a bit stunned by the intelligence, balance and interest of most of the posts here, right and left alike. Kind of a fresh breeze ;) .

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epr64 said:
OK. Robertson, after saying he didn't say it, made excuses.. immediately followed by a stream of comments on Chavez that are pure BS.

What matters is that he excused himself for the fact of promoting the killing of someone (anyone, for that matter), and that's what is important. Not that I believe he's really sorry, mind me. But because that will probably set off any nutcase that thought it was a good idea to follow on his craziness.

As for his other comments, he's got the right to criticize anyone he wants.

Thx for all of you for the discussion on this thread. After quite a time on forums a lot less civil than this one, I was a bit stunned by the intelligence, balance and interest of most of the posts here, right and left alike. Kind of a fresh breeze ;) .

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When someone on the right is wrong, those on the right come out and condemn it...discussion is pretty much over....

When someone on the left is wrong....Well......

I think this is EXACTLY what this country(or, at least, this forum) needed...

A good 'ol right-wing idiot proving that freedom of speech is different from freedom of making yourself out to be an classless moron....

Right Cindy?
 
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