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You are not a soothsayer.
And it doesn't take one to know that sleeping pills are less deadly than a bullet in the brain.
You are not a soothsayer.
Other methods like pills are often unsuccessful so my statement still stands. He would most likely be alive today if not for that gun.
And it doesn't take one to know that sleeping pills are less deadly than a bullet in the brain.
The Southern California church headed by popular evangelical Pastor Rick Warren says his 27-year-old son has committed suicide.
Warren's Saddleback Valley Community Church said in a statement that Matthew Warren had struggled with mental illness and deep depression throughout his life.
"Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," the statement said.
"Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts. Despite the best health care available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life."
Read more: Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide | Fox News
Matthew Warren suffered from lifelong depression, and he had decided to end it. A bullet in the brain is a most reliable method, but there are others, including carbon monoxide, which was the method of choice for one of my male friends. The point is that you're arguing here about the method when what seems clear was that this young man had decided to kill himself.
Why else would this be true?The nine states that rank lowest in terms of gun prevalence are the very same nine that rank lowest for suicide rates. Similarly, the three states top-ranked for gun prevalence can be found among the four states ranking highest for suicide rates.
What a shame that some are so eager to rush to judgment and to promote a political agenda out of this. It's not just the anti-gun people; there's an open letter at Daily Kos expressing the hope that Rick Warren will now use his personal tragedy to stop making "hateful" remarks to the LGBT community. Daily Kos: My Prayer for Rick Warren upon the suicide of his son, Matthew
Whether he starts recognizing the effects his actions have of promoting the depression of GLBTs and their happiness in this world will be recognized by him remains to be seen. I personally wonder how an evangelical comes to terms with the fact his son committed a pretty powerful sin which will prevent his ascension into heaven according to their beliefs. The demonization of people with suicidal thoughts as potential sinners cannot help the situation when often those people cannot control those impulses and feelings. I imagine they are only trying to help by scaring a person away from an easy out, and considering one of his son's statements about ending the hell of his life so he can just go to heaven I guess you don't want to give them any excuses, but telling someone who feels broken that they are broken and damned for it doesn't help the situation as far as I can see.
Don't get me wrong, i actually do feel bad for him because it has to be hard to watch year after year with your child in so much pain they want to die, and having nothing that can stop it. It sounds like he really did try to find something to help and there was just nothing. I doubt his faith's hatred of suicide pushed the kid over the edge, but I also doubt it made his time any less painful.
Or maybe I can see thru the "man of God"'s act......................
And alcohol....leads to more suicides than firearms.While it is true that you can't stop at determined person from commiting suicide you can save many by limiting availability of guns.
Why else would this be true?
Harvard School of Public Health » HSPH News » Gun prevalence and suicide rank by state
Suicides are recounted in the Bible without condemnation. That belief otherwise is a persistent inferred belief based upon the Thou shall not Kill Commandment in the same way the rapture is not supported in the Bible but persists in many people's thinking.
My question for you is do you have sources saying Warren took all these positions you seem to think he has or are you just stereotyping him based upon his Evangelical alignment? He is not necessarily a conventional pastor from what little I know of him.
So you are saying all the christians who speak out against it based on the bible are liars? Not that i can disagree with the idea that christians often speak of things they know nothing about, but they do speak against it.
As for the gay thing, yes he has taken up the fight against gays. He has supported many anti-gay causes including prop-8. Oh, and in casting sucide in a negative light we could go to his twitter page where he said “Killing time is suicide. Your time IS your life. "Teach us to number our days" Psalm 90:12.” That would certainly cast suicide in a negative light. But why should anyone take his tweets seriously.
I am saying the Bible does not expressly condemn suicide despite the opportunity to do so with suicides being recounted in the Bible. "Liars" is your word not mine.
I think you are stretching with that interpretation of his tweet you cite. He is a motivational writer/speaker too and sounds to me like he is trying to, you know, motivate people with that one.
It is sad that the "best health care available" did not include keeping a gun away from him. He would be alive to day if they just did that one thing.
So you are being polite by not calling them liars. that is cool, but it still would be making stuff up if you were correct. Also, the bible does take a very negative view on throwing god's greatest gift back in the creator's face. yes, it does also refer to killing people as a sin. I am just saying it is quite contradictory to take a demonizing view of suicide and then to be compassionate after the act is done. For those who really care you might want to be compassionate about it before the act. It is one of those things. After a person is dead it is too late for any of that to ease their suffering. Maybe Rick will use his position to start a good discussion about the way we treat the depressed. Only the future will tell that, but it does show a lack of personal empathy and compassion that it would take such a hard hit5 from a clue by four to bring an obvious point to his attention.
yes, and he portrays suicide in a negative light with that quote from the bible which also portrays suicide in a negative light which you claim is not biblical. 2 birds one stone. Perhaps you are telling us that suicide was meant in a positive tone in that quote and that we should waste out time and our lives, and that teaching us to number our days was said sarcastically because we should just let it go like suicide. Is that what you are telling us? If that is not what you are trying to say then my point stands.
So you are being polite by not calling them liars. that is cool, but it still would be making stuff up if you were correct. Also, the bible does take a very negative view on throwing god's greatest gift back in the creator's face. yes, it does also refer to killing people as a sin. I am just saying it is quite contradictory to take a demonizing view of suicide and then to be compassionate after the act is done. For those who really care you might want to be compassionate about it before the act. It is one of those things. After a person is dead it is too late for any of that to ease their suffering. Maybe Rick will use his position to start a good discussion about the way we treat the depressed. Only the future will tell that, but it does show a lack of personal empathy and compassion that it would take such a hard hit5 from a clue by four to bring an obvious point to his attention.
yes, and he portrays suicide in a negative light with that quote from the bible which also portrays suicide in a negative light which you claim is not biblical. 2 birds one stone. Perhaps you are telling us that suicide was meant in a positive tone in that quote and that we should waste out time and our lives, and that teaching us to number our days was said sarcastically because we should just let it go like suicide. Is that what you are telling us? If that is not what you are trying to say then my point stands.
So you are saying all the christians who speak out against it based on the bible are liars? Not that i can disagree with the idea that christians often speak of things they know nothing about, but they do speak against it.
As for the gay thing, yes he has taken up the fight against gays. He has supported many anti-gay causes including prop-8. Oh, and in casting sucide in a negative light we could go to his twitter page where he said “Killing time is suicide. Your time IS your life. "Teach us to number our days" Psalm 90:12.” That would certainly cast suicide in a negative light. But why should anyone take his tweets seriously.
He's not a fire-and-brimstone preacher. Here he is discussing that attraction is not a sin with a most odious talking-head:
And it doesn't take one to know that sleeping pills are less deadly than a bullet in the brain.
Suicide by sleeping pills causes the exact same end as a bullet in the brain......
**Logic 101**
nahh. Sleeping pills usually do not make the floors and walls all bloody in the end.
nahh. Sleeping pills usually do not make the floors and walls all bloody in the end.