Palin: "Over my dead body"

[Common Sense 1]

While things may now change as vaccine resistant variants emerge (and the US still sits at only 61% of the population fully vaccinated), the unvaccinated continue to make up the majority of COVID cases requiring hospitalization. They comprise the majority of COVID deaths. The evidence suggest the vaccine prevents serious illness and yes, interrupts the chain of transmission. So while you are correct that the vaccinated may still contract, transmit, and even die from COVID, the numbers are significantly less than for the unvaccinated.

Vaccines remain the single best weapon we have against the pandemic. As to the bolded? The personal choice to remain unvaccinated has the potential to directly impact others, with sometimes deadly consequences. You do not have the moral right to endanger others, much as the antivaxxer crowd loves to couch this topic in demagoguery/rhetoric of "personal freedom."

So you agree with his post. Thanks!

 

[Common Sense 1]

No error in his post. Read it again.

The huge error in your logic is that it's Palin who is playing the part of demagogue, and those following the best scientific advice we have at the time are not.


"demagogue- a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument."

 

[Antiwar]

No error in his post. Read it again.

I edited my reply to add another error in his post.

 

[Lycanthrope]

So you agree with his post. Thanks!

Thank you for posting the entirety of my comment in your response.

 

[tres borrachos]

I had a friend who had his oxygen tank blow up in his face. He was smoking. Should he be treated? Afterall, that was stupid also.

Ask his doctor.

 

[justabubba]

reminded of her most famous political statement:

“They say the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull​

- lipstick.”​

 

[EdwinWillers]

Vaccines remain the single best weapon we have against the pandemic.

Except you didn't know that back when. And frankly, you don't know that now either, save for one key fact:

It is only because of demagoguery that you can assert the above; such demagoguery has singularly destroyed any possibility of finding alternative solutions, possibly even safer solutions, and possibly even more effective solutions than the ones the demagogues have sold us as "the single best weapon against the pandemic."

And why? Because too many accepted as gospel, with absolute, utterly blind faith in the demagogues, that the vaccines were the only solution.

So yeah, now we're "stuck" with vaccines of questionable safety, questionable effectiveness, and questionable prevention against transmissibility.

But hey, they might lessen issues with the virus. Whoop.

As to the bolded? The personal choice to remain unvaccinated has the potential to directly impact others, with sometimes deadly consequences.

Again, you can't say that with certainty either - not when the possibility exists for ANYONE, unvaccinated or vaccinated to spread the virus.

You do not have the moral right to endanger others, much as the antivaxxer crowd loves to couch this topic in demagoguery/rhetoric of "personal freedom."

I don't have the moral right? I'm vaccinated, friend. Apparently you are too. What gives you the "moral right" to judge me - or anyone else for that matter? On what authority does your "moral right" trump mine, or anyone elses?

 

[EdwinWillers]

The huge error in your logic is that it's Palin who is playing the part of demagogue, and those following the best scientific advice we have at the time are not. And it's very unlikely that people posting here are political leaders, so your word choice is incorrect.


"demagogue- a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument."

And the gaping error in yours is your apparent inability to read.

 

[armycowboy]

Sarah Palin told a crowd in Phoenix yesterday that she will not get the COVID vaccine, and neither will her kids:

Sarah Palin gave a speech opposing vaccination, and said she would get a shot 'over my dead body'

'I will not [get a vaccine]. I won't do it and they better not touch my kids either,' said the former Alaska governor.

www.yahoo.com

Medical advice has in fact been consistent that people who caught COVID-19 previously should still get vaccinated.

Reinfections have been noted for more than a year, and in March 2021 Insider's Marianne Guenot reported that those 65 and over are especially at risk.

Early data suggests that reinfection is significantly more likely from the fast-spreading Omicron variant.

Nonetheless, Plain concluded that: "It'll be over my dead body that I get a shot."

"I will not. I won't do it and they better not touch my kids either."

Is Palin relevant these days? Politically not so much - she maintains niche appeal with Trump Nation, however, and here she is reinforcing the antivaxxer narrative that will continue to hinder American efforts to combat the epidemic.

Like I said in a different COVID thread - if the decisions of antivaxxers only affected themselves then fine - freeberty yourself into a debilitating and potentially fatal illness. It's just a shame that their decision will affect their immediate loved ones, and it's morally repugnant when it has the potential to endanger the lives of innocents around them. Toxic individualism at its finest.

Sarah Palin is still desperately trying to stay relevant by kissing up to the anti-vaxxers. Kind of sad, actually.

 

[AGENT J]

Sarah Palin told a crowd in Phoenix yesterday that she will not get the COVID vaccine, and neither will her kids:

Sarah Palin gave a speech opposing vaccination, and said she would get a shot 'over my dead body'

'I will not [get a vaccine]. I won't do it and they better not touch my kids either,' said the former Alaska governor.

www.yahoo.com

Medical advice has in fact been consistent that people who caught COVID-19 previously should still get vaccinated.

Reinfections have been noted for more than a year, and in March 2021 Insider's Marianne Guenot reported that those 65 and over are especially at risk.

Early data suggests that reinfection is significantly more likely from the fast-spreading Omicron variant.

Nonetheless, Plain concluded that: "It'll be over my dead body that I get a shot."

"I will not. I won't do it and they better not touch my kids either."

Is Palin relevant these days? Politically not so much - she maintains niche appeal with Trump Nation, however, and here she is reinforcing the antivaxxer narrative that will continue to hinder American efforts to combat the epidemic.

Like I said in a different COVID thread - if the decisions of antivaxxers only affected themselves then fine - freeberty yourself into a debilitating and potentially fatal illness. It's just a shame that their decision will affect their immediate loved ones, and it's morally repugnant when it has the potential to endanger the lives of innocents around them. Toxic individualism at its finest.

I hope she spreads that message far and wide . . .

in most cause peoples minds are made up
but she might actually motivate somebody to get vaccinated . . i mean who wants to admit to themselves or even worse out loud that they agree with Palin on health and family

LOL i know i wouldnt that would be embarrassing as hell

 

[justabubba]

I hope she spreads that message far and wide . . .

in most cause peoples minds are made up
but she might actually motivate somebody to get vaccinated . . i mean who wants to admit to themselves or even worse out loud that they agree with Palin on health and family

LOL i know i wouldnt that would be embarrassing as hell

that clever woman and her reverse-psychology

 

[AGENT J]

that clever woman and her reverse-psychology

Bwhahahahah if only

 

[Metric Mouse]

She should get vaccinated, barring any known contraindications.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Sarah Palin is still desperately trying to stay relevant by kissing up to the anti-vaxxers. Kind of sad, actually.

Probably set to flood the remainder racks with "Goin' Rogue 2: Alaskan Boogaloo"

 

[Lycanthrope]

Except you didn't know that back when. And frankly, you don't know that now either, save for one key fact:

It is only because of demagoguery that you can assert the above; such demagoguery has singularly destroyed any possibility of finding alternative solutions, possibly even safer solutions, and possibly even more effective solutions than the ones the demagogues have sold us as "the single best weapon against the pandemic."

And why? Because too many accepted as gospel, with absolute, utterly blind faith in the demagogues, that the vaccines were the only solution.

So yeah, now we're "stuck" with vaccines of questionable safety, questionable effectiveness, and questionable prevention against transmissibility.

But hey, they might lessen issues with the virus. Whoop.

Again, you can't say that with certainty either - not when the possibility exists for ANYONE, unvaccinated or vaccinated to spread the virus.

I don't have the moral right? I'm vaccinated, friend. Apparently you are too. What gives you the "moral right" to judge me - or anyone else for that matter? On what authority does your "moral right" trump mine, or anyone elses?

I am referring to "you" in terms of any individual. Not you specifically. I should not have assumed that was obvious from the context, so I apologize.

As for the "you" out there who chooses to remain unvaccinated when they could, I do judge them - it is a choice that puts others at risk, and is therefore selfish and irresponsible. Personal liberty stops when you put the liberty (and life) of others at risk needlessly.

 

[Helix]

It's sad and disgusting that the Republican party made anti-vax ignorance into a plank.

 

[Higgins86]

Are they against the vaccine or are they against the vaccine mandate?

Tucker Carlson has been against the vaccine itself despite I believe having to get it in order to work at Fox News.

 

[Superfly]

I wouldn't deny healthcare to anyone, whether they refused the vaccine or not.

Do you deny healthcare to smokers? The obese? The mentally ill who are off their meds?

If someone is sick, they are to be treated.

Doctors who refuse to do so are in violation of every oath they agree to uphold upon becoming physicians.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Sarah Palin told a crowd in Phoenix yesterday that she will not get the COVID vaccine, and neither will her kids:

Sarah Palin gave a speech opposing vaccination, and said she would get a shot 'over my dead body'

'I will not [get a vaccine]. I won't do it and they better not touch my kids either,' said the former Alaska governor.

www.yahoo.com

Medical advice has in fact been consistent that people who caught COVID-19 previously should still get vaccinated.

Reinfections have been noted for more than a year, and in March 2021 Insider's Marianne Guenot reported that those 65 and over are especially at risk.

Early data suggests that reinfection is significantly more likely from the fast-spreading Omicron variant.

Nonetheless, Plain concluded that: "It'll be over my dead body that I get a shot."

"I will not. I won't do it and they better not touch my kids either."

Is Palin relevant these days? Politically not so much - she maintains niche appeal with Trump Nation, however, and here she is reinforcing the antivaxxer narrative that will continue to hinder American efforts to combat the epidemic.

Like I said in a different COVID thread - if the decisions of antivaxxers only affected themselves then fine - freeberty yourself into a debilitating and potentially fatal illness. It's just a shame that their decision will affect their immediate loved ones, and it's morally repugnant when it has the potential to endanger the lives of innocents around them. Toxic individualism at its finest.

COVID sez:
Challenge accepted.

 

[Overitall]

Ask his doctor.

I’m asking you. You’re not hesitant about opining on the treatment of non vaccinated people being denied because of their stupidity.

 

[Phys251]

Except you didn't know that back when. And frankly, you don't know that now either, save for one key fact:

It is only because of demagoguery that you can assert the above; such demagoguery has singularly destroyed any possibility of finding alternative solutions, possibly even safer solutions, and possibly even more effective solutions than the ones the demagogues have sold us as "the single best weapon against the pandemic."

And why? Because too many accepted as gospel, with absolute, utterly blind faith in the demagogues, that the vaccines were the only solution.

So yeah, now we're "stuck" with vaccines of questionable safety, questionable effectiveness, and questionable prevention against transmissibility.

But hey, they might lessen issues with the virus. Whoop.

Again, you can't say that with certainty either - not when the possibility exists for ANYONE, unvaccinated or vaccinated to spread the virus.

I don't have the moral right? I'm vaccinated, friend. Apparently you are too. What gives you the "moral right" to judge me - or anyone else for that matter? On what authority does your "moral right" trump mine, or anyone elses?

^ Unhinged nonsense. Righties are the ones who politicized the virus.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Denying healthcare to unvaccinated COVID sufferers is no less morally repugnant than eligible recipients refusing the vaccine in the first place.

All that idea does is exacerbate the rancor and division. The goal is to preserve the lives of fellow citizens, whether that goal takes place on the preventative end (vaccines) or the therapeutic end (treating those afflicted).

 

[CaughtInThe]

You guys remember all the arguments about smoking in public that we had to endure from the right as the left pushed smokers out of restaurants and bars? How that was their right.

Man, those arguments seem so long ago now.

 

[reflechissez]

, Are they against the vaccine or are they against the vaccine mandate?

"I would have gotten vaccinated, but since you told me I have to, I'm not gonna."

 

[Rexedgar]

It's sad and disgusting that the Republican party made anti-vax ignorance into a plank.

How can they call it a ‘platform’ if there is only one plank?