Ominous signals

[justabubba]

Israel always has contingency plans to engage Hezbollah and Hamas. Any dummy should realize that.

Lol. Even the Hezbollah leadership admitted after the war that it had badly misjudged the Israeli response to its criminality.


2006 Lebanon War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i would have imagined a defensive contingency plan would have already been formulated
this was a war plan, israel going on offense
to wit:

... According to the Ha'aretz daily, which obtained details of Mr Olmert's testimony, the prime minister chose a plan featuring air attacks on Lebanon and a limited ground operation that would be implemented following a Hizbullah abduction. Hizbullah had made several attempts to capture Israeli soldiers on the border since Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000.

Israeli commentators believed that Mr Olmert and Amir Peretz, the defence minister, took the opportunity of the kidnapping to show they could manage a war in spite of their limited military experience. But the outcome of the war seemed to highlight their lack of experience and also deficiencies in Israel's military planning. ...

[same source ... and emphasis again added by bubba]
Israel planned for Lebanon war months in advance, PM says | World news | The Guardian

 

[Mira]

I trust that which is based, and yes you do seem to blindly trust the terrorists since you've just referred to their accusation against Israel of "plotting to assassinate Nasrallah" as if there is any truth to it.

No, I said apparently it is Israel who is provoking. It is not only Hizbollah who has been talking about assassination attempts against Nasrallah.

From past experiences I see every reason for Israel wanting to win militarily over Lebanon, either by permenantly occupying parts of it or by installing their allies as the leading governmental force like they attempted to do in 1982.

 

[Shayah]

i would have imagined a defensive contingency plan would have already been formulated
this was a war plan, israel going on offense to wit:

You just don't quite comprehend war gaming/planning do you?

 

[justabubba]

You just don't quite comprehend war gaming/planning do you?

sure i do
which is why it is obvious that israel was primed and ready to launch an attack on lebanon
i have documented it for those who would seek out the truth
or we can adopt your position that israel did NOT have any defensive contingency plan until immediately prior to its launch of the invasion of lebanon
i do not think the israelis are that stupid ... apparently, you do

 

[Shayah]

sure i do
which is why it is obvious that israel was primed and ready to launch an attack on lebanon
i have documented it for those who would seek out the truth
or we can adopt your position that israel did NOT have any defensive contingency plan until immediately prior to its launch of the invasion of lebanon
i do not think the israelis are that stupid ... apparently, you do

You really are that dense apparently. Israel already has the proper defensive measures in place. You didn't see Hezbollah capturing any Israeli towns in 2006 did ya?

Offensive measures however, have to be constantly tweaked due to situational fluidity.

Once again. Do you have any clue whatsoever on war planning?

 

[justabubba]

You really are that dense apparently. Israel already has the proper defensive measures in place. You didn't see Hezbollah capturing any Israeli towns in 2006 did ya?

Offensive measures however, have to be constantly tweaked due to situational fluidity.

Once again. Do you have any clue whatsoever on war planning?

finally, we have agreement ... now that you acknowledge that israel engaged in offensive war planning for its invasion of lebanon
now we can all see that it was israel which initiated the assault - which contradicts your prior statement
glad to see you can be made to acknowledge the truth

 

[Apocalypse]

No, I said apparently it is Israel who is provoking. It is not only Hizbollah who has been talking about assassination attempts against Nasrallah.

Are you really that dense? You've just confirmed what I was saying, I said that you blindly trust the terrorists' (Hizbollah's) words when you're saying that Israel has been plotting to assassinate the leader of their organization.
And here you are repeating that statement that Hizballah's accusation towards Israel is the unchallenged truth, you blindly follow their words.

From past experiences I see every reason for Israel wanting to win militarily over Lebanon, either by permenantly occupying parts of it or by installing their allies as the leading governmental force like they attempted to do in 1982.

From past experiences, I don't think you see reason.

 

[Mira]

Are you really that dense? You've just confirmed what I was saying, I said that you blindly trust the terrorists' (Hizbollah's) words when you're saying that Israel has been plotting to assassinate the leader of their organization.
And here you are repeating that statement that Hizballah's accusation towards Israel is the unchallenged truth, you blindly follow their words.

From past experiences, I don't think you see reason.

First of all, please keep your suprimacy complex to yourself and speak to people kindly.

Second, apparently means according to the article that I had posted.
That article is not the only one speaking about the assassination attempts agaisnt Nasrallah. I have read it in newspapers, heard it on radio and television talk shows.

And who are you to accuse me of not being reasonable ? From your posts I understand that you were not even born in 1982 so please allow me to believe in what I have seen with my own eyes.

 

[Mira]

All of those "defensive" statements from Hizballah are meant towards the Lebanese population, they seek further support and hence are trying to maintain a defensive position, but just like the 2006 war has started with Hezbollah aggression so will any future war.

And yes Hizballah is covering big parts of Southern Lebanon, and the intel gathered by the IDF through the years point at an excessive rearming by Hizballah and the continued use of the Lebanese civilians of Southern Lebanon as political tools, storing arms next to hospitals and schools and positioning themselves amongst the civilian population.

I've been meaning to ask you. When the other side has the most sophisticated weaponry, spy network, drones, military aircraft and armored personnel cariers, where exactly should Hisbollah hide weapons ?

 

[Apocalypse]

Second, apparently means according to the article that I had posted.
That article is not the only one speaking about the assassination attempts agaisnt Nasrallah. I have read it in newspapers, heard it on radio and television talk shows.

The article is giving the sources of this rumor, being some Russian unidentified sources, and you were referring to it as if it was the truth.
The last line in the Haaretz article states that "Experts have suggested, however, that the report may be part of Hezbollah's propaganda war and not based on actual facts".
Nevertheless, you were referring to it as the unquestionable truth, you were blindly following the terrorists' propaganda and that's why I do not think that you see reason.

 

[Apocalypse]

I've been meaning to ask you. When the other side has the most sophisticated weaponry, spy network, drones, military aircraft and armored personnel cariers, where exactly should Hisbollah hide weapons ?

Anywhere but next to the civilians of Lebanon, it's a war-crime and a war-crime against the civilians of your own nation, that is simply unacceptable.
I realize that a significant portion of the people in Lebanon support anti-Israeli terrorism no matter what, so Hezbollah will enjoy its people's support even when it risks their lives for the sake of propaganda, but what I ask you to understand is that Hezbollah is not your friend, nor is it a resistance group.

 

[Mira]

The article is giving the sources of this rumor, being some Russian unidentified sources, and you were referring to it as if it was the truth.
The last line in the Haaretz article states that "Experts have suggested, however, that the report may be part of Hezbollah's propaganda war and not based on actual facts".
Nevertheless, you were referring to it as the unquestionable truth, you were blindly following the terrorists' propaganda and that's why I do not think that you see reason.

Apocalypse, have you forgotten how to read ? I said, that article is NOT the only article speaking about this. Please do show me how to post ink on paper, radio and television talk shows and I will.

When I say that I do not always trust what the Lebanese government or Hizbollah say, that is aparent in my posts on this forum. But you have not once doubted your government or your army from what I see.

 

[Apocalypse]

Apocalypse, have you forgotten how to read ? I said, that article is NOT the only article speaking about this. Please do show me how to post ink on paper, radio and television talk shows and I will.

I've read it and understood it completely Mira, and then I have taken the time to explain to you that this rumor has one source, each of the articles you've read are merely taking their information on that rumor from one source, a Russian unidentified source, so basically that was what you were believing in.
I thought you were a journalist? You're supposed to know those kind of stuff.

When I say that I do not always trust what the Lebanese government or Hizbollah say, that is aparent in my posts on this forum. But you have not once doubted your government or your army from what I see.

What's apparent from your posts in this thread is that you blindly trust the terrorist organization of Hizballah, as if what it says must be true.
You still haven't taken back your claim that this rumor is true.

 

[Mira]

Anywhere but next to the civilians of Lebanon, it's a war-crime and a war-crime against the civilians of your own nation, that is simply unacceptable.
I realize that a significant portion of the people in Lebanon support anti-Israeli terrorism no matter what, so Hezbollah will enjoy its people's support even when it risks their lives for the sake of propaganda, but what I ask you to understand is that Hezbollah is not your friend, nor is it a resistance group.

You haven't answered my question at all. Where exactly would that be ? Think about it .

Well, as much as I don't support Hizbollah because they are a religious group, I admit that they busted your arses better than any Arab army has done since 1948.

 

[Apocalypse]

You haven't answered my question at all. Where exactly would that be ? Think about it .

The Lebanese army doesn't seem to be storing its weapons next to civilian houses, hospitals, mosques and schools. So I really do not get your point.
Besides that, how would you like me to answer to that question? "The exact location"? Coordinates?

Well, as much as I don't support Hizbollah because they are a religious group

Why not because they're a terrorist organization?

I admit that they busted your arses better than any Arab army has done since 1948.

That's the myth promoted by the terrorists and their supporters. As much as you'd love seeing Israeli soldiers die, the 120+- soldier casualties are nothing compared to each and every of Israel's war with its neighboring countries.
Besides that, the 500-600 dead Hezbollah terrrorists and the total lost of the Hezbollah's main HQs in Beirut speak for themselves.

 

[Mira]

I've read it and understood it completely Mira, and then I have taken the time to explain to you that this rumor has one source, each of the articles you've read are merely taking their information on that rumor from one source, a Russian unidentified source, so basically that was what you were believing in.
I thought you were a journalist? You're supposed to know those kind of stuff.

What's apparent from your posts in this thread is that you blindly trust the terrorist organization of Hizballah, as if what it says must be true.
You still haven't taken back your claim that this rumor is true.

You know what ? Most of my Israeli friends are left-wing (the ones you like to call far-left wing). The only place where I have talked to right-wing Israelis is on this forum. Talking to you, anyone would become a Hizbollah supporter. I have seen a hateful and arrogant side that I naively tried to believe it didn't exist. Good job folks, good job.

 

[Mira]

The Lebanese army doesn't seem to be storing its weapons next to civilian houses, hospitals, mosques and schools. So I really do not get your point.
Besides that, how would you like me to answer to that question? "The exact location"? Coordinates?
Why not because they're a terrorist organization?

That's the myth promoted by the terrorists and their supporters. As much as you'd love seeing Israeli soldiers die, the 120+- soldier casualties are nothing compared to each and every of Israel's war with its neighboring countries.
Besides that, the 500-600 dead Hezbollah terrrorists and the total lost of the Hezbollah's main HQs in Beirut speak for themselves.

The Lebanese army isn't at war with Israel as far as I know.

Also as far as I know, if not for Hizbollah, south Lebanon would have still been occupied by Israel.

 

[Apocalypse]

You know what ? Most of my Israeli friends are left-wing (the ones you like to call far-left wing). The only place where I have talked to right-wing Israelis is on this forum. Talking to you, anyone would become a Hizbollah supporter.

That's the weakest reasoning for terrorism I've ever seen Mira.
Like it or not, I do not promote any extreme opinions, nor do I promote right-wing opinions, I'm merely promoting the sane opinions that are based on pure logic and the understanding of the values of Democracy.

That you have many Hezbollah supporters over there is not because of right-wing Israelis who seek to maintain their nation's right to self-defense (the one you and your ilk are against since it doesn't promote terrorism), it's because of the brainwashing you've been going through all of your lives.
Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that uses the civilians of its country as political tools in its propaganda war against Israel and its existence, you and your ilk are merely its brainwashed pawns who take part in their propaganda war, attempting to justify their actions and claiming they are a group that "resists" Israel, as if Israel would have any hostile past with Lebanon if it was not for Lebanese terrorism.

 

[Apocalypse]

The Lebanese army isn't at war with Israel as far as I know.

The Lebanese army would not move all of its weapons storages and bases to civilian population centers in case of a war with Israel, that's ridiculous and torn-off.

Also as far as I know, if not for Hizbollah, south Lebanon would have still been occupied by Israel.

If not for Lebanese terrorism, South Lebanon would have never been occupied by Israel.

 

[Mira]

The Lebanese army would not move all of its weapons storages and bases to civilian population centers in case of a war with Israel, that's ridiculous and torn-off.

If not for Lebanese terrorism, South Lebanon would have never been occupied by Israel.

That is not what Hizbollah did. They moved their weapons into building where they could hide, would you expect them to be out in the open, in the arid mountains and get busted since day one ? Most of the civilians who were died were killed WHILE they fled, THAT you cannot deny the entire international press was there to witness.

If Israel wasn't established, the entire region would have lived in peace.

 

[Mira]

That's the weakest reasoning for terrorism I've ever seen Mira.
Like it or not, I do not promote any extreme opinions, nor do I promote right-wing opinions, I'm merely promoting the sane opinions that are based on pure logic and the understanding of the values of Democracy.

That you have many Hezbollah supporters over there is not because of right-wing Israelis who seek to maintain their nation's right to self-defense (the one you and your ilk are against since it doesn't promote terrorism), it's because of the brainwashing you've been going through all of your lives.
Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that uses the civilians of its country as political tools in its propaganda war against Israel and its existence, you and your ilk are merely its brainwashed pawns who take part in their propaganda war, attempting to justify their actions and claiming they are a group that "resists" Israel, as if Israel would have any hostile past with Lebanon if it was not for Lebanese terrorism.

I will try to be as calm as I can and not respond angrily to your insults.
I am smart, educated, well-read, well travelled and well-read enough not to be brainwashed by anyone.

I think you should step down from your high horse one day and face reality, or smell the coffee if you wish.

 

[Apocalypse]

If Israel wasn't established, the entire region would have lived in peace.

First of all no it wouldn't.
Secondly, looks like the cat is out of its sack.

 

[Apocalypse]

I will try to be as calm as I can and not respond angrily to your insults.
I am smart, educated, well-read, well travelled and well-read enough not to be brainwashed by anyone.

Brainwashing works when the subject is not aware of the fact that he was brainwashed.
I do not expect you to come up and say "alright I've been brainwashed and filled with hatred towards the Israeli country and its people".

I think you should step down from your high horse one day and face reality, or smell the coffee if you wish.

I've decided to face reality a long long time ago. Your time is long past, you'll never face reality.

 

[Mira]

First of all no it wouldn't.
Secondly, looks like the cat is out of its sack.

We would have been just fine.

Yes the cat just got back from Lebanon and hadn't spent so much time in south Lebanon since 2006. What the cat saw and what the cat heard there makes her see Israel as a bulldog.

Israel has the means to cover up its ugly face but who knows for how long.

 

[Mira]

Brainwashing works when the subject is not aware of the fact that he was brainwashed.
I do not expect you to come up and say "alright I've been brainwashed and filled with hatred towards the Israeli country and its people".

Israel ? hell yes, I hate her guts and never ashamed to say so. Its people ? no, not at all, I adore my left-wing friends and look at the right-wing with dismay.

I've decided to face reality a long long time ago. Your time is long past, you'll never face reality.

Haha ! I guess that makes you feel better, I'll let you be happy with your beliefs.