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Gardener said:
The European left promotes Palestinian hatred just as fiercely as do the Islamists.
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Yes, right, Palestinians have to listen to Europeans in order to understand the monster that Israel is ? Why go that far when Israel is right there in front of them ???
 
Gardener said:
The European left promotes Palestinian hatred just as fiercely as do the Islamists.
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And you promote Israeli hatred just as much as its diaspora, so your any better...how?
There is the irrational European left, and the irrational American right. Its those in the centre who base there opinions on analytical evidence rather than hot headed hatred for either side. So our opinions are most valued, and im telling you both sides are disgusting and both sides are at fault.
 
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kaya'08 said:
And you promote Israeli hatred just as much as its diaspora, so your any better...how?
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I defend Jews and the Jewish state against all the hatred, yes.
 
Mira said:
Yes, right, Palestinians have to listen to Europeans in order to understand the monster that Israel is ? Why go that far when Israel is right there in front of them ???
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Ah -- a cancerous MONSTER it is, now, is it?

Yep -- the hate speech rule does not apply to you at all.
 
Now, i am not one to advocate for the removal of the Israeli state as i have always supported its strategic significance. But with its constantly "changing" boarders it must be said....
Netanyahu has started the fire and is blaming the wood for the smoke. It high time you guys picked up your balls and dealt with the situation more diplomatically.

If Israel cannot bring itself to return occupied Golan heights, which isn't even there's and they damn well know it (at least East Jerusalem has very much become an integral part of the Jewish state) then that in itself shows us that the inherit fault of peace in the ME is with Israel.
 
Gardener said:
I defend Jews and the Jewish state against all the hatred, yes.
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And you believe that anybody who is not pro-Israel in anti-Semitic, right ?
 
Gardener said:
I defend Jews and the Jewish state against all the hatred, yes.
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With absolute partisanship it makes one sick to the stomach. Your complete ignorance to the reality of the situation and your refusal to criticize Israel makes you another addition to the irrational elite who would fight with Israel to the grave with or without a cause, just or not.
If you had your own mind, could think for yourself, and could make decisions based on impartiality and humanism, you'd be ok (rather than repeating whatever you hear).
Unfortunately thats not the case.
 
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Mira said:
And you believe that anybody who is not pro-Israel in anti-Semitic, right ?
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I believe anybody who calls Israel a cancerous monster is antisemitic, certainly.
 
Gardener said:
Ah -- a cancerous MONSTER it is, now, is it?

Yep -- the hate speech rule does not apply to you at all.
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You're sounding like a child now Gardener, booooohhooooohhooooo, she don't love my Israel.

Do you know what a hate speech is ? I'm neither a hypocrite nor a traitor to my country. Israel IS my enemy and yes I see it as a monster and a cancer, what's so shocking about that ?
 
Gardener said:
I believe anybody who calls Israel a cancerous monster is antisemitic, certainly.
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Just FYI, not ALL Jews live in Israel and not ALL Jews support Israel. Just saying ....
 
Gardener said:
I believe anybody who calls Israel a cancerous monster is antisemitic, certainly.
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So you believe calling Germany cancerous is not racist against Germans but calling Israel cancerous amounts to anti-semetism?
Fortunately anti-semetism applies to Arabs too, which would make you the biggest anti-semite ive had the unfortunate opportunity to meet.
 
kaya'08 said:
With absolute partisanship it makes one sick to the stomach. Your complete ignorance to the reality of the situation and your refusal to criticize Israel makes you another addition to the irrational elite who would fight with Israel to the grave with or without a cause, just or not.
If you had your own mind, could think for yourself, and could make decisions based on impartiality and humanism, you'd be ok (rather than repeating whatever you hear).
Unfortunately thats not the case.
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Oh, my yes. A young boy who doesn't even shave yet thinks he knows more about the history that I have seen unfold over the last 40 years than I do.:roll:
 
Gardener said:
Oh, my yes. A young boy who doesn't even shave yet thinks he knows more about the history that I have seen unfold over the last 40 years than I do.:roll:
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I didn't ask for your insults.
Quiet ironic then that you should meet a "boy" who brings up an argument you fail to refute with an insult.
Mentally it seems i surpass your "wise old age". Wake up grandad. Your not savour of the Jews. Look at both sides of the argument.
 
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By the way Gardener, what are you doing in a thread about Lebanon when only a week ago you didn't even know that the official language in Lebanon is Arabic and you thought that the Lebanese speak ...Lebanese ?
 
Mira said:
By the way Gardener, what are you doing in a thread about Lebanon when only a week ago you didn't even know that the official language in Lebanon is Arabic and you thought that the Lebanese speak ...Lebanese ?
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Even i knew they spoke Arabic. How embarrasing, a young boy like me should know such an obvious thing when my "elder" remains ignorant to such basic knowledge. Christ this is beyond pathetic. Sometimes i think your all so heated on anger and testosterone and resentment you cant think straight when it comes to this goddamn stupid war you guys have been fighting needlessly for the past 100 miserable years.

You would have thought the West would have mastered secularism by now but there still struggling to pull themselves away from conflicts in Jerusalem ever since the Pope ordered a crusade. In dissapointed in ourselves. We should let Israel get on with its own devices, pull the plug on IDF funding and see how quick Liberman will be to arrange a land swap. Now thats a real incentive for peace.
 
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Apocalypse said:
I've never said that it is the unquestionable research backed fact, but you've yet to give an explanation as to why my reasoning cannot be valid.
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Your reasoning is valid, your statement is not. It is in your opinion that nearly ever Israeli family has suffered terrorism.
Apocalypse said:
If the range covers the majority of Israel, and Israel is a small state, then it is only safe to assume that the majority of the Israeli families would have at least one person in them who is living or has been to those areas during the time they were being targeted.
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You cannot assume something based on the probability that something is capable of happening. Just because a percentage of Israeli families are within range of suffering terrorism does not mean that they conclusively have like you purport.

Appeal to probability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Locking this thread until an ME forum specialist can go over it. You folks need to calm down please
 
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As far as I'm concerned, this thread was nothing but personal attacks from page 4. It stays locked.
 
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