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Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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It appears Obama is not willing to compromise. Yet he expects others to

Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts | Reuters

With time running out and high political and economic stakes, Obama is pushing Democratic leaders to determine if they can win an acceptable extension of the cuts, which he could sign into law.

Resurgent Republicans are demanding that all the tax cuts be renewed, including those for wealthier Americans -- individuals making more than $200,000 and families above$250,000.

Obama favors renewing the tax cuts only for those at or below those level, saying the nation cannot afford to renew them for wealthier Americans.
 

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It appears Obama is not willing to compromise. Yet he expects others to

Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts | Reuters

With time running out and high political and economic stakes, Obama is pushing Democratic leaders to determine if they can win an acceptable extension of the cuts, which he could sign into law.

Resurgent Republicans are demanding that all the tax cuts be renewed, including those for wealthier Americans -- individuals making more than $200,000 and families above$250,000.

Obama favors renewing the tax cuts only for those at or below those level, saying the nation cannot afford to renew them for wealthier Americans.


Compromise to a radical liberal like Obama always means dropping your opposition, and seeing things his way.

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his entire lame duck agenda is doa

except this, the bush cuts, which MUST be extended to middle earners, all agree, including the presidential putz

and too many dems, 47 downstairs and at least 5 in the senate, are on record---no tax hikes for anyone in times like these

it is what it is

he doesn't WANT to touch these bush cuts, not if he can't do his druthers, which is tax the rich

but he has to, and he has to do it before jan 1

and he has to do it before boehner is speaker

can't any of these fools see even a half move ahead?

apparently not, because they've each on various days of the fast-wending week called for, separately, dadt, dream, start, michelle's nutrition bill (which comes at the cost of cuts to food stamps, in times like these)

all mere balloons, puffed up and hyper inflated with hot air

all impotent

this duck is all quack
 

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So I see you three are keeping busy. never hurts to be completely Partisan, three times in row, with three different "conservatives".
 

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It appears Obama is not willing to compromise. Yet he expects others to

Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts | Reuters

With time running out and high political and economic stakes, Obama is pushing Democratic leaders to determine if they can win an acceptable extension of the cuts, which he could sign into law.

Resurgent Republicans are demanding that all the tax cuts be renewed, including those for wealthier Americans -- individuals making more than $200,000 and families above$250,000.

Obama favors renewing the tax cuts only for those at or below those level, saying the nation cannot afford to renew them for wealthier Americans.

Another Lib president for raising taxes and spending like a drunk who won the lottery.
What else is new?

What is new... is Dems are in disarray over it. Remember the 100-page thread about some Dems wanting to break with Obama about this before the election.

"Disarray" is beautiful when it's the opposition and has to do with taxes. It's a lose-lose for them, and a win for America.

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So I see you three are keeping busy. never hurts to be completely Partisan, three times in row, with three different "conservatives".

Says the partisan socialist leaning contributor.

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Says the partisan socialist leaning contributor.

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I'm a socialist?

When did this happen?

Dogmatic is a silly thing to be my friend.

I don't support left wing ideas or right wing ideas, I believe there is no such thing.

So, I don't think of Universal Healthcare as a left wing idea, I think it's a good idea and I support good ideas.

Another good idea I support is that Murder should be illegal.
 

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Another good idea I support is that Murder should be illegal.

Ah -- so you ARE a socialist!! We finaly have some hard evidence to prove it!
 

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I'm a socialist?

When did this happen?

Dogmatic is a silly thing to be my friend.

I don't support left wing ideas or right wing ideas, I believe there is no such thing.

So, I don't think of Universal Healthcare as a left wing idea, I think it's a good idea and I support good ideas.

Another good idea I support is that Murder should be illegal.


In what nation that currently has Universal Health Care, do we find anything close to sustainable? It is breaking the countries that have it now, and they are running from it.

j-mac
 

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In what nation that currently has Universal Health Care, do we find anything close to sustainable? It is breaking the countries that have it now, and they are running from it.

j-mac

Now I understand your point about government involvement.

Yes, I can see it all clearly now.

Life_expectancy_vs_spending_OECD.png


You spend more then any other country on Health Care, and get worse results...

Who's sustainable?

(aren't you guys almost fully bankrupt?)
 

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I'm a socialist?

I don't support left wing ideas or right wing ideas, I believe there is no such thing.

So, I don't think of Universal Healthcare as a left wing idea, I think it's a good idea and I support good ideas.

Another good idea I support is that Murder should be illegal.
ROTFLOL... you might THINK you're not a socialist, but you line up on that side over, and over and over.

It must be terrible when you've been fooling yourself and are the last person to know the truth about yourself. But you're young. You've got time to learn about yourself.

As for Universal Healthcare, it is a vile socialist program where the government acts as an intermediary to remove wealth from one group and give it to another. It's slow, corrupt, centralized and inefficient. It's why the Quebec Supreme Court ruled waiting lists do not constitute care. And why Kanuckistani's go to the US for serious and not so serious medical conditions. All this rot in not too many decades!!! OH! Kanuckistan!

Milton Friedman called pre-ObamaKare "communist" in nature.

Welcome to your Socialist Outing Party!

As for your little chart, Americans try to and do save lives that other countries call lost causes.

J-Mac,
Not only countries have found the system unsustainable, slow and corrupt, but it's been the bane of auto companies in the US.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/29/AR2005042901385.html

What Ails GM

Who knew? Speculation about which welfare state will be the first to buckle under the strain of the pension and medical costs of aging populations usually focuses on European nations with declining birthrates and aging populations. Who knew the first to buckle would be General Motors, with Ford not far behind?

GM says health expenditures -- $1,525 per car produced; there is more health care than steel in a GM vehicle's price tag -- are one of the main reasons it lost $1.1 billion in the first quarter of 2005.

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ROTFLOL... you might THINK you're not a socialist, but you line up on that side over, and over and over.

It must be terrible when you've been fooling yourself and are the last person to know the truth about yourself. But you're young. You've got time to learn about yourself.

As for Universal Healthcare, it is a vile socialist program where the government acts as an intermediary to remove wealth from one group and give it to another. It's slow, corrupt, centralized and inefficient. It's why the Quebec Supreme Court ruled waiting lists do not constitute care. And why Kanuckistani's go to the US for serious and not so serious medical conditions.

Milton Friedman called pre-ObamaKare "communist" in nature.

Welcome to your Socialist Outing Party!

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The. Cold. war. Is. Over.
 

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I always love when people make the cost argument against UHC. It's hilarious.
 

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I always love when people make the cost argument against UHC. It's hilarious.

That's because that little chart you love so much is a reflection of the completely unfair insurance costs that U.S. doctors have to incur, and the free care that is given to uninsured illegals that show up in hospital emergency rooms with a head cold than anything else.

We need tort reform and basic efficiences, not free healthcare that will turn our system into the cluster### experienced by Canada and Europe.
 

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Every one in the US can get care

Really? Have you seen the overwhelming lines at the free care given in Los Angeles and elsewhere?

On Tuesday, volunteers provided 1,448 services to about 600 patients, including 95 tooth extractions, 470 fillings, 140 pairs of eyeglasses, 96 Pap smears and 93 tuberculosis tests, the organizers said. Hundreds of volunteer doctors, dentists, optometrists, nurses and others are expected to serve 8,000 patients by the end of the eight days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html

The number of people without health insurance has increased steadily since the beginning of the century, now totaling about 47 million Americans. Most Americans obtain health insurance coverage through their employers. With the cost of health insurance outpacing inflation and wage increases, more employers are opting out of the market. Family incomes have not kept pace with health care inflation making non-group coverage unaffordable for most low-income families. Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program help to fill in the coverage gap for millions, especially children.

Access to Healthcare and the Uninsured Overview
 

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Really? Have you seen the overwhelming lines at the free care given in Los Angeles and elsewhere?

On Tuesday, volunteers provided 1,448 services to about 600 patients, including 95 tooth extractions, 470 fillings, 140 pairs of eyeglasses, 96 Pap smears and 93 tuberculosis tests, the organizers said. Hundreds of volunteer doctors, dentists, optometrists, nurses and others are expected to serve 8,000 patients by the end of the eight days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html

The number of people without health insurance has increased steadily since the beginning of the century, now totaling about 47 million Americans. Most Americans obtain health insurance coverage through their employers. With the cost of health insurance outpacing inflation and wage increases, more employers are opting out of the market. Family incomes have not kept pace with health care inflation making non-group coverage unaffordable for most low-income families. Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program help to fill in the coverage gap for millions, especially children.

Access to Healthcare and the Uninsured Overview

Point is healthcare is available. Medicaid is for poor people
 

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Really? Have you seen the overwhelming lines at the free care given in Los Angeles and elsewhere?

On Tuesday, volunteers provided 1,448 services to about 600 patients, including 95 tooth extractions, 470 fillings, 140 pairs of eyeglasses, 96 Pap smears and 93 tuberculosis tests, the organizers said. Hundreds of volunteer doctors, dentists, optometrists, nurses and others are expected to serve 8,000 patients by the end of the eight days.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html

The number of people without health insurance has increased steadily since the beginning of the century, now totaling about 47 million Americans. Most Americans obtain health insurance coverage through their employers. With the cost of health insurance outpacing inflation and wage increases, more employers are opting out of the market. Family incomes have not kept pace with health care inflation making non-group coverage unaffordable for most low-income families. Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program help to fill in the coverage gap for millions, especially children.

Access to Healthcare and the Uninsured Overview

Quick side note about the bolded statement above...

Was anyone aware that in most states, it is illegal for a phsyician not licensed in a state to volunteer for this type of work in said state? Which makes it VERY difficult to get this type of volunteer work done in states that already have fewer physicians available. Bills have been put before congress to address this and allow physicians to do volunteer work outside their state of license, but most die in committee.
 
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