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Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling

apdst

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What an asshole. People losing jobs everyday in this country and this dip stick subsidizes oil exploration, in Brazil, with 2 billion of our dollars. This is surreal.

 
What an asshole. People losing jobs everyday in this country and this dip stick subsidizes oil exploration, in Brazil, with 2 billion of our dollars. This is surreal.

Someone needs to send this child to the romper room, he's like Dennis the Menace.
 
Please read the rules for the breaking news section. Opinion pieces do not belong here.
 
You must have caught some serious hell for posting on the wrong forum and that's why you're such a pain in the ass about little mistakes.
 
What an asshole. People losing jobs everyday in this country and this dip stick subsidizes oil exploration, in Brazil, with 2 billion of our dollars. This is surreal.

It's a loan, not a grant, so I don't really have a beef with it in that way

It strikes me as odd, though. Is it unusual for the US gov to loan money to a private, foreign corporation? If it is (as I'd guess after my superficial look at the situation) what is the US getting out of the deal?
 

Why not do the same for American oil companies and put Americans back to work?

Perhaps George Soros's ownership of 5.8 million shares of Petrobras has something to do with PBO giving them the jack?
 
What an asshole. People losing jobs everyday in this country and this dip stick subsidizes oil exploration, in Brazil, with 2 billion of our dollars. This is surreal.

I'm sure Exxon Mobil a Dallas Texas based company loves this.
 
Please read the rules for the breaking news section. Opinion pieces do not belong here.

I've copied this to Word pad and will post this on every new topic for you. :mrgreen:
 
Why not do the same for American oil companies and put Americans back to work?

Perhaps George Soros's ownership of 5.8 million shares of Petrobras has something to do with PBO giving them the jack?

This would seem pretty ridiculous if true.
 
Obviously in an era of peaking worldwide production and increasing worldwide demand, our resident extremists on the right would rather China get that oil than us.

I'd sure like us to get our OWN oil, too.
 
I'd sure like us to get our OWN oil, too.

Thats great, but the problem is that we don't have nearly enough. Our domestic oil production peaked 30 years ago and no amount of drilling is going to change that. Thus we have to secure access to production abroad.
 
Thats great, but the problem is that we don't have nearly enough. Our domestic oil production peaked 30 years ago and no amount of drilling is going to change that. Thus we have to secure access to production abroad.

Production peaked 30 years ago???? And there has been no new technology since?


http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/reserves.html

That's 21,317,000,000 barrels of known reservers... and I'm sure if the oil companies were turned loose to drill they would find one hell of alot more, after 30 years of not being able to look or drill.

Drill now, drill often.
 
That's 21,317,000,000 barrels of known reservers... and I'm sure if the oil companies were turned loose to drill they would find one hell of alot more, after 30 years of not being able to look or drill.

Drill now, drill often.

The oil co's only pick the low hanging fruit first, they're not going to drill for the hard to get stuff until oil goes back to $5 a gallon.

Back to the OP I see no reason to fund any oil exploration. I say we get off the dinosaur juice asap. Take that money and give everyone a few solar panels instead.
 

agreed. we could all have self sufficient homes if we used solar shingles instead of what we use now.
 

They have looked everywhere. ANWR is only the last 5% of the Alaskan North Slope not already open to drilling. I am fine with opening it up (given sufficient environmental protections), but you are still talking a peak production there of around 800,000 barrels a day. Open up all the coasts and you might get another million barrels a day. That gets us to about 1990 levels of domestic oil production at best.

A lot of those "proven oil reserves" are **** like oil shale or oil that is only economically recoverable at exorbitant oil prices. The point is, we sit on around 3 to 5% of the world's oil reserves, our domestic production peaked in the early 70s and that is just the way it is. We are dependent on foreign oil until someone invents something else we can run all our crap on.

Even the oil industry will tell you that we need to drill more but we are not going to ever see the kind of production we had 30 years ago.
 
agreed. we could all have self sufficient homes if we used solar shingles instead of what we use now.

Setting aside the fact that this is obviously false, you're also completely ignoring the question of cost.
 
apdst = Fail.


Ex-Im-Bank commits $2.2 billion to support US exports to Petrobras

This is essentially US corporate welfare. Giving money to a foreign business so they can buy US goods and US services from US companies.

That WSJ opinion was piss poor journalism. The only time "export" came up was discussing Brazil's exports, not that the financing would be used to pay for US exports.
 
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Setting aside the fact that this is obviously false, you're also completely ignoring the question of cost.

Exactly, a lot of people don't seem to get that what ever we replace oil with has to be as cheap or cheaper than oil.

If the majority of Americans were willing or able to pay two to three times the price for a good simply because it was produced in a more environmentally or socially responsible manner, then Whole Foods would be bigger than Walmart.

I am a strong advocate of conservation, but its got to be economically viable for the average joe. You can't just tell everyone to carpet their roof in solar panels when it will take them decades to recoup the costs.
 

Loan, grant, apdst doesn't care, he just likes to show his patriotism by calling the President names.

Facts, proper perspective be damned. A good spin and apdst is off to the races....
 

Largely because most externalities are not priced into goods. Imagine if the cost of environmental and economic damage in the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico was priced into our agricultural goods. Goods from nations with low environmental protections don't have the damage of the pollution priced in. I suspect if we start to actually price externalities into goods rather than pay for them in taxes, Whole Foods may not appear to be that expensive.
 
Loan, grant, apdst doesn't care, he just likes to show his patriotism by calling the President names.

Facts, proper perspective be damned. A good spin and apdst is off to the races....

It's just corporate welfare. All the plan really does is financing exports from US companies. The US government gives a foreign company money so that the foreign company can buy US goods. That's all it comes down to. The plan is actually supporting US businesses that deal with oil services and equipment. Add apdst to the long list of people who just don't research. Apdst just called Obama names for supporting US businesses.

Seriously, I don't care if you give Obama ****. In fact he deserves quite a bit. But at least get it right. Given Obama **** for supporting corporate welfare. Not for the asinine reason Apdst did.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...rites-offshore-drilling-2.html#post1058201205
 
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