joe six-pack
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These VERY childish threads are cancer for America.
Muslims Americans have the same rights to live and worship in peace as everyone else who has ever come to our shores.
It is time to stop advocating hate filled propaganda based on fear and Fox news.
DON'T just bitch... DISPUTE, REFUTE AND ILLUMINATE!
Where's your data?
What data? A bunch articles and Youtube videos lazily compiled by some chubby English xenophobe are not exactly quantitative of qualitative data. They're just a bunch of articles and Youtube lazily compiled by some chubby English xenophobe.
Moderator's Warning: |
During his Cairo speech, Obama said:
"I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America 's history."
There were no Muslims on the Nina, the Pinta, or Santa Maria.
There were no Muslims on the Mayflower with the Pilgrims at Plymouth Rock.
There were Native Americans.
The first Thanksgiving seemed to have been devoid of any Muslims.
And I wonder if he's ever heard of the Treaty of Tripoli which was signed by President John Adams in 1797.I love this.
A Councilman's thread is a advertisement for bigoted Right-wing beliefs. Thomas Jefferson's owned a copy of the Qur'an. We have always been a "secular" Nation.
End of thread?
What data? A bunch articles and Youtube videos lazily compiled by some chubby English xenophobe are not exactly quantitative of qualitative data. They're just a bunch of articles and Youtube lazily compiled by some chubby English xenophobe.
You have to take more personal time to read some history - learn where the Islamic culture and religion does play a part in history itself before you continue to draw conclusions based on your fractured grammar-school education.
now - *how much* they're involved is a different issue and does not make his statement untrue.
I can spend time digging up photos and putting together pieces of truth with some of opinion (along with ASSUMED information or statements) just like a divorce lawyer would do to the other side. If this was a court of law what you have about would be tossed out.
These VERY childish threads are cancer for America. If you want to be UN-American a post like this would be great. If you want to spread propaganda this is the way to do it. If you want to make America an ever weakened Nation, this is how ya do it. These threads defeat America, not make it stronger.
I STRONGLY dissagree with these PROPAGANDA threads! I am for a STRONG America.... not a America gripped in civil wars CREATED by Spin Doctors!!! :soap
It's true, actually - because no single nation is independent of hte influence of others.
now - *how much* they're involved is a different issue and does not make his statement untrue.
Indeed - and there were any Americans there, either. But it's our history, isn't it?
You have to take more personal time to read some history - learn where the Islamic culture and religion does play a part in history itself before you continue to draw conclusions based on your fractured grammar-school education.
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And I wonder if he's ever heard of the Treaty of Tripoli which was signed by President John Adams in 1797.
Acknowledging the geography of the planet is not akin to saying the Soviet Union was going to kick our butts. You've just gone into making ridiculous leaps of logic and association, and it doesn't help whatever argument you are making
Boy you Liberals go any length to deny facts. The discovery of America and the New World is part of American history that might have eluded your notice.
I can't believe you didn't know that. You can make illy claims but you can't back then with facts.
Name one famous American Islamic Cult member in History, just one.
And by the way. This has nothing what ever to do with the facts, unless you think John Adams was an Islamic Cultist.
Modern mathematics, which allowed a great deal of the engineering and navigation that allowed people to cross the ocean, came from Baghdad. Many of the navigational technologies employed by Columbus and other explorers were of Muslim origin. The political regime in Spain that funded Columbus' trip came about as a reaction to hundreds of years of Muslim rule in Spain. And that's just stuff in 1492. As long as Europeans were coming to America, they brought with them Jews, Asians, Muslims, Africans, and dozens of other groups. We have a mixed history. We are a mixed people today.
Boy you Liberals go any length to deny facts. The discovery of America and the New World is part of American history that might have eluded your notice.
I can't believe you didn't know that. You can make illy claims but you can't back then with facts.
Name one famous American Islamic Cult member in History, just one.
And by the way. This has nothing what ever to do with the facts, unless you think John Adams was an Islamic Cultist.
No, that's just bitching.
If the data really is so inconsequential,
you'll have no trouble rebutting it.
And as usual, it's more than the other side have. The king's got no clothes, etc.
But at least facing nothing but the usual hysteria and insult makes my life much easier.
Your bitching would make you, well, the bitch in this abortion of a thread.
Maybe you should ask some of your fellow BNP members to proof read your sources?
This right here is why I know you have no clue what it is you're talking about.
Is that a weight joke?
You: OMFGZ DA MUZLIM GWAN EAT US! HURRZ YOUTUBEZ AND PIKZ! YOU'Z A BITCH IF YOU NATZ BELIEFZ!
The 'other side': Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
...random partisan and off the wall sources...
Youtube contains a variety of material from a vast range of sources, including scores of reputable TV stations, hardly making it invalid. And if DP itself incorporates a Youtube video viewer then I'm hardly going to be dissuaded from using it.
What, and they still can't even refute my points, despite the playing field tilted so apparently in their favour?
Though I will say the name-calling and innuendo is entertaining.
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And now I'm off to bed. I'm sure there'll be another hot frothy outburst to see me awake later!
More taquiyya, this time practised in the fashion of a dhimmi.
Advanced maths such as algebra can can traced back to the Babylonians and the Greeks. Nations which were already or about to be conquered by Islam would of course have heard of them, used them and been refined by learned men quite unlike the murderous Muhammad. There are no advanced mathematical revelations in the Religion of Peace.
For shipping, the compass predates even the Chinese and the sextant's origin for seafaring is unknown. (And although 'Muslim' astronomers are credited with the use of the first astronomical one, their search for the stars had the potential to shake their religious society every bit as much as the Europeans'.)
And the Moor regime in Spain was the result of a brutal jihad, which took swarthy Middle Eastern Muslim crusaders as far as Northern france before the Crusades put them out.
Though I'll leave it to you to tell us how many Muslims came to Rennaissance America, where, when, for who and why.
Every part of this is wrong. Mathematics in Greece and Babylon still used pictographic writing, or methods similar to Roman numerals. Until the introduction of the modern 10-based number system, which originated in India in the 600's and was popularized during expansion from Baghdad. In 1200, Europeans were still counting V's and X's while Muslims were just shy of inventing calculus.
The compass was not invented in China, and the origin of the sextant IS known. It was invented by Muslims in the 13th century. During the European Dark Ages, Islam was promoting learning, literacy, and invention. Medicine and science in the Middle East were HUNDREDS of years ahead of Europe. Islamic culture did not quash any knowledge that didn't square with their comfortable religion. That was the providence of our people. In modern times, they've learned to emulate our behavior. Ohh... good for us.
When Muslim conquerers came to Spain (not doubting the violence at all, but let's be honest and admit that no group of people is non-violent), they brought that learning with them. They brought advanced medicine and technology. Spain prospered during that time. Muslims and the Europeans living there co-existed in relative harmony. It was only when Europeans returned to power that the name of the game was torture and forced conversion.
I'd also like to point out the double standard in your post. It's a brutal jihad when Muslims conquer Christians, but it's totally cool when the opposite happens. Also, glad to know that you focus on the "swarthy" Middle Easterners. Racism is a totally acceptable position when talking about other cultures.
In short, you can't make up stories and pass them as fact. Learn actual history. You'll find that real life does not square with your notion that white, Christian, western Europeans were the universal good guys you imagine them to be. They were just as brutal and violent as everyone else, often moreso, and have spent a lot of history aggressively attacking knowledge and learning in order to maintain their own power. History is not full of good guys and bad guys. It's full of people, with equally legitimate cultures and ideals, often in conflict.
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