Obama: A year to Election Day, numbers good and bad

[apdst]

The guy who dumps his companies garbage into a river has a job, and it got shut down, or at least redirected, due to regulation.


Kinda ruins THAT argument.

If my argument was that we should be dumping garbage into a river, you might be right. But, I never suggested anything remotely close to that.

 

[KevinKohler]

I'll have to get used to another four years of not making money.

How has Obama made you unable to make money?

 

[KevinKohler]

simple: people who would prepare us for corporate governance and more sucking up to the rich and powerful are not a reasonable alternative

And Obama is not one of these people......how?

 

[apdst]

How has Obama made you unable to make money?

Yes, he has.

 

[KevinKohler]

I believe what we are seeing today is that the leftwing ideologues are happy with the Obama results because he is doing exactly the things they want. Many here fit into that category with most probably young college kids who have been taught that private sector businesses are evil and greedy. Most ignore that 80% of the jobs created in this country come from small businesses not those that are being demonized thus they ignore the actual Obama results because the bigger the govt. the better. Too bad so many have not been taught self reliance and need the Obama style wealth redistribution to survive.

I will not be voting for Obama in 2012 although living in TX my vote won't matter much as he will lose TX by millions of votes and if the rest of the country elects him I will remain in TX somewhat insulated from the damage he is doing to the rest of the country. Why anyone would vote for Obama is beyond comprehension.

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I agree about not voting for Obama, but if you won't vote for him, who WILL you vote for? Romney? Are you one of those "Anyone but THAT guy" kinda voters?

 

[haymarket]

What about the 80% of the people who don't work for those evil corporations and thus aren't sucking up to the rich as you call them?

that is where the libertarian and right wing think tanks come in with their brain washing propaganda to get working people to vote against their own interests.

 

[KevinKohler]

Yes, he has.

I didn't ask if, I asked how.

 

[Boo Radley]

Yes, he has.

The question was HOW. HOWdid he make you unable to make more money?

 

[haymarket]

And Obama is not one of these people......how?

Its all a matter of degree.

 

[haymarket]

The question was HOW. HOWdid he make you unable to make more money?

revnewers raided and took away the printin' press not to mention the still. :mrgreen:

 

[KevinKohler]

A government that oppresses the free market and our persuit of life, liberty and happiness is even less reasonable.

You think there weren't politically connected mega-millionares in the Soviet Union? Or China? or in any other country that practiced, "social justice"?

Our government has oppressed those things under Bush, Bush Sr, as much as Obama. If you'd like me to grab you some voting records, I can, but it'll take a while, and to be honest, I'd much rather you just take my word for it.

And that word is, it's a false dichotomy. People are so worried about what "democrats" want, or might do, while "republicans" claim they won't, that they never realize that they are BOTH doing it, hand over fist. Die quick, or die slow. That's the option between a republican and a democrat.

 

[KevinKohler]

Its all a matter of degree.

Sure it is. Are you going to sit there and tell me, honestly, that Obama isn't ruled by the same corporate money than any other? That he doesn't acquiesce to the "suggestions" of his largely ex huge corporation staff, that he doesn't have just as many cronies working for him as any other? That he hasn't lied, cheated, and finagled as much as all the rest?

Honestly?

 

[apdst]

I didn't ask if, I asked how.

Oh, sorry. He killed my paycheck with the drilling moratorium.

 

[KevinKohler]

revnewers raided and took away the printin' press not to mention the still. :mrgreen:

No making fun of the still....that's important stuff. I brew my own beer, I see no reason why folks can't brew their own craptastic white lightining...

 

[Conservative]

I agree about not voting for Obama, but if you won't vote for him, who WILL you vote for? Romney? Are you one of those "Anyone but THAT guy" kinda voters?

I don't have the problem with Romney that many have. If it is Romney then I will have no problem voting for him but at this point there isn't anyone on the GOP side that doesn't beat the alternative of Obama

 

[lpast]

Oh, sorry. He killed my paycheck with the drilling moratorium.

How about the BP spill that hurt ya at all...it sure hurt hundreds of thousands of LA Tenn. Miss and fla folks...that wasnt obama...that was your beloved oil companies not doing the right thing

 

[apdst]

Our government has oppressed those things under Bush, Bush Sr, as much as Obama. If you'd like me to grab you some voting records, I can, but it'll take a while, and to be honest, I'd much rather you just take my word for it.

And that word is, it's a false dichotomy. People are so worried about what "democrats" want, or might do, while "republicans" claim they won't, that they never realize that they are BOTH doing it, hand over fist. Die quick, or die slow. That's the option between a republican and a democrat.

Even so, why would I want to vote for Obama? Why would anyone, after Obama's oppression of the private sector?

 

[KevinKohler]

Oh, sorry. He killed my paycheck with the drilling moratorium.

Yeah, that's a pretty sleazy one, even for him, I gotta admit. Pretty much guarrentees high profits for non US oil, wouldn't you say? As if it was a US company that caused the problem in the first place.....

 

[apdst]

How about the BP spill that hurt ya at all...it sure hurt hundreds of thousands of LA Tenn. Miss and fla folks...that wasnt obama...that was your beloved oil companies not doing the right thing

The spill didn't hurt me. Obama's drilling ban hurt me.

 

[KevinKohler]

Even so, why would I want to vote for Obama? Why would anyone, after Obama's oppression of the private sector?

I'm not saying you would, or should.

But I AM saying the dude is going to get elected again, because you got a high percentage of voters who only see democrats and republicans, to the exclusion of all others, partly because of faulty media, but also due to pure lazynes. People can, in good conscience, vote for someone like Romney, or Obama, because they are too lazy to actually look at their voting records, peruse their history, and truly develop a good picture of who these people are. Because of this, they never bother to see if there are an alternatives.

So, if the choices are Obama, and Romney, I can assure you, Romney will not win.

 

[haymarket]

Sure it is. Are you going to sit there and tell me, honestly, that Obama isn't ruled by the same corporate money than any other? That he doesn't acquiesce to the "suggestions" of his largely ex huge corporation staff, that he doesn't have just as many cronies working for him as any other? That he hasn't lied, cheated, and finagled as much as all the rest?

Honestly?

I sympathize far more with your objections to Obama that you might otherwise think. I have been on record for several months now saying that he should NOT run for reelection. From his opening days, he has surrounded himself with far too many corporatists for my comfort and taste.

I also am convinced beyond any doubt that a Republican would be far far worse and the march to corporate fascism would be hastened with blinding speed if a Republican right winger sat in the White House and they controlled both houses of Congress and had a majority on the Supreme Court as they now do. I see what they have done with such a power monopoly in states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio and I do NOT want that for America.

 

[KevinKohler]

I don't have the problem with Romney that many have. If it is Romney then I will have no problem voting for him but at this point there isn't anyone on the GOP side that doesn't beat the alternative of Obama

I rest my case, right here.

 

[Ockham]

No making fun of the still....that's important stuff. I brew my own beer, I see no reason why folks can't brew their own craptastic white lightining...

They can I think under certain circumstances - basically the government wants it's cut and it wants to know your doing it. It's big money, there's no way the state or the fed won't want a cut of that, especially if it is craptastic - people will want to sell it and make money. Beer and wine in my state is limited to 20 gallons a year for private use, with strict laws against distribution, transporting, etc.

 

[lpast]

The spill didn't hurt me. Obama's drilling ban hurt me.

That spill hurt thousands upon thousands of people

 

[Conservative]

I sympathize far more with your objections to Obama that you might otherwise think. I have been on record for several months now saying that he should NOT run for reelection. From his opening days, he has surrounded himself with far too many corporatists for my comfort and taste.

I also am convinced beyond any doubt that a Republican would be far far worse and the march to corporate fascism would be hastened with blinding speed if a Republican right winger sat in the White House and they controlled both houses of Congress and had a majority on the Supreme Court as they now do. I see what they have done with such a power monopoly in states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio and I do NOT want that for America.

What? Running on the principle of cutting the deficit in the state and the power of public unions? The people are getting what they voted for and are not being demonized by the liberals. Your state is an economic disaster all because of liberalism as was Ohio and Wisconsin. The people spoke and the Governors are implementing what they ran on, how dare them!