Obama’s Pick for ATF Chief Is ‘Anti-Gun,’ Say Pro-Second Amendment Groups

[Cold Highway]

Not having any restrictions on firearms would be nice however I happen to know that my chances of being killed with a firearm are far more greater in a red state then in NJ.

Just because something bad might happen doesnt justify government registeration of firearms.

 

[Goshin]

Thanks, I feel that it is a compelling argument, that is why I shared it with you.

Just look at the statistics for murders via firearm and you will see for yourself.

It seems that there are some people in America that would not know the truth if it came in a double whopper with extra cheese.

The latest (2009) murder rate for New Jersey is higher than the murder rate for Alaska, Wyoming, Nebraska, Montana, Utah, South Dakota, Washington state, New Hampshire, and Idaho, all of which have less restrictive gun laws. There goes your theory. You should move somewhere safer. :mrgreen:

Proof:

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

 

[Goshin]

New Jersey's total violent crime rate, per capita for 2006 (latest date on the chart linked), is higher than Connecticut, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming... virtually all of which have less restrictive gun laws.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s0297.pdf


Doesn't look like those restrictive Jersey gun laws are really keeping you safe from violent crime.

 

[FederalRepublic]

You have to understand that criminals get guns the same way law abiding citizens do. When all you need to get a handgun is a gun dealer making a call, it is going to lead to abuse. Even among friends, guns exchange hands and are sold. If every handgun could be traced back to it's owner, criminals would have a much harder time procuring them, as people would be less willing to sell them. Proof of this is that New Jersey, having the most draconian gun laws, makes it so that firearms have to be trafficked in from red states where there is no big brother watching over them.

I am not saying that registration of all handguns is ideal by any means, but if it is between that and banning 9mm's which one would you prefer?

Mine will not be registered.

 

[jamesrage]

Although it would aggravate many conservatives, the murder rate would be greatly reduced if all handguns had to be registered.

How so? Do you have any evidence what so ever that gun registrations prevent crime? Do even have any evidence that gun registrations help law enforcement solve cases? I could be wrong but I do not even thing I seen any crime dramas where the cops were saying "If only the owner of the that firearm had registered his gun then we could have caught the shooter". I haven't even any commercials stating that gun registrations help save lives. Can explain why people who already do not obey the law in the first place are going to register a weapon that they plan on using in the commission of a crime? Can you can explain how registered weapon in a crime scene is going to prove who shot the victim or held up a liquor store?

 

[TurtleDude]

God is mad that he lives in a state where the government prefers castratis and like Aesop's fox that had its tail cut off, he wants all other gun owners to suffer his same fate.

Misery loves company.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Those nutters would have found fault with Chuck Connors being appointed.

 

[TurtleDude]

Those nutters would have found fault with Chuck Connors being appointed.

Nutters being the hoplophobic leftwingers who wet themselves over the thought of other citizens being armed?

 

[Cold Highway]

God is mad that he lives in a state where the government prefers castratis and like Aesop's fox that had its tail cut off, he wants all other gun owners to suffer his same fate.

Misery loves company.

Wait...what?

 

[TurtleDude]

Wait...what?

God lives under the fascist NJ gun laws and he wants every other gun owner to be subjected to the same nonsense.

Eunuchs want others castrated-the fox who lost its tail tried to convince other foxes that tails were worthless and they too should have theirs removed

 

[American]

Hey hazlnut. I thought he would come back and prove his statements.

*crickets*

 

[TurtleDude]

Hey hazlnut. I thought he would come back and prove his statements.

*crickets*

When truth reared its ugly head
hazlnut retreated and fled.

 

[God]

I am not allowed to comment on here unless I agree with you guys. Mod keeps warning me :/ Said I would get perm ban if I did not renounce my registration views.

 

[TurtleDude]

I am not allowed to comment on here unless I agree with you guys. Mod keeps warning me :/ Said I would get perm ban if I did not renounce my registration views.

I call BS on that. there are plenty of gun hating posters on this forum who aren't so warned. What is funny is how you started off pretending to be pro gun and it is obvious you want to impose NJ style facism on the rest of us

 

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Moderator's Warning:

Back on topic.

 

[TurtleDude]

There were many claims earlier on this board that the Obama regime was not anti gun because Obama didn't want to pay the price-politically-of trying to impose his gun ban cravings. So what he will do is appoint slugs like this AFT martinet to do such things in a back door way

 

[The Mark]

There were many claims earlier on this board that the Obama regime was not anti gun because Obama didn't want to pay the price-politically-of trying to impose his gun ban cravings. So what he will do is appoint slugs like this AFT martinet to do such things in a back door way

Isn't that always the way things end up getting done in politics these days?

In both senses of the phrase...

:mrgreen:

 

[American]

Isn't that always the way things end up getting done in politics these days?

In both senses of the phrase...

:mrgreen:

Back door is how they **** the public, right?

 

[cpgrad08]

There are not 100 million people dumb enough to take on the government, and even if there were, there is still nothing they could do about it. Socialists aren't like black people; it's much harder for gun-toting rednecks to dispense with them extrajudicially. If socialists get control of the government, then that's it for you. Soldiers follow orders, and they'll put a bullet between your eyes before you can load Pa's shotgun.

Nobody is overthrowing the government, stop posturing an acting like it's even a slight possibility.

Two things: First of memebers of the armed forces only obey lawful orders, it's there responsbility to disobey any unlawful orders.

Secondly: the oath of enlistment is to defend the consitution of the United States which the last time I checked the 2nd Amendment is part of.