Tashah said:
(Bold added for emphasis)
You're not going to win this argument here Peaceful Muslim. Religion does not trump civil law in the West. Boycot? That only makes your standard of living even more dismal.
Freedom of speech is protected in every Western society. Religion is subserviant to civil law in every Western society. There are good reasons for why this is so Peaceful Muslim... and perhaps you should ponder them.
Tashah praise be the lord, and put some real music on your ipod, sing the Hallelujah Chorus for the proper mood of this debate:
http://ingeb.org/spiritua/halleluj.mid
“Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
“Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”
“§ 3. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed in this state to all humankind; and no person shall be rendered incompetent to be a witness on account of his or her opinions on matters of religious belief; but the liberty of conscience hereby secured shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this state.” (New York)
“§ 8. Every citizen may freely speak, write and publish his or her sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right; and no law shall be passed to restrain or abridge the liberty of speech or of the press. In all criminal prosecutions or indictments for libels, the truth may be given in evidence to the jury; and if it shall appear to the jury that the matter charged as libelous is true, and was published with good motives and for justifiable ends, the party shall be acquitted; and the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the fact.” (New York)
Did I hear someone say “But;” only a hypocrite would claim there is freedom of religion and speech and say “But,” and not mean it;
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/arc/ind/jaina/4_south/mon.jpg
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Do you really want to lose this debate Tashah?
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Tashah, considering these two points:
1) “do we need to blow things up” (Peaceful Muslim)
2) “if what you are saying justifies the insult then that means non of the human rules we are creating are applicable ..”
{I guess she left and “e” off of “non,” what do you think Tashah?}
Is debate on freedom of speech the right debate to have at this point, or is it allowing the “Peaceful” Muslim the ability to ignore the important issues;
I think the important debate in this instance are these two points:
1) Two soldiers of two states so armed and marked with insignia (flags) of their respective states, such states fighting among themselves, is not violating the Golden Rule putting all human beings in danger.
2) Any “soldier” dressed in civilian clothes is violating the Golden Rule and putting all human beings in danger.
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What do you think Tashah? Is “Peaceful” Muslim ignoring the real important debate? Are you and the rest of them letting her ignore it?
“..this is just people acting according to their nature not ISLAMIC NATURE..” (Peaceful Muslim)
“On the basis of what we said about Iraq while confronting aggressions, the world now needs to abort the US aggressive schemes, including its aggression on the Afghan people, which must stop.
Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.) {I downloaded that letter to us the day after it was posted to his web site.}
Think about it Tashah! Read all of the posts, pay attention to what she is saying and not saying, you are letting her get away, like the world didn‘t understand Saddam! Don’t let the debate get lost.
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