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Now It’s Panama’s Turn In the Barrel

Mycroft said:
You should do what that article didn't do: Read Trump's posts.

Here...I'll help.

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And do you agree with Donald Trump's statements, Mycroft? If so, by what right do we the United States claim the Panama Canal in the present day from the independent and sovereign country of Panama? Just raw naked Ninetenth-century imperial might? We had control over Panama a century ago, and we can reassert that control whenever we feel like, so they are an independent nation at our pleasure?
 
Felis Leo said:
And do you agree with Donald Trump's statements, Mycroft? If so, by what right do we the United States claim the Panama Canal in the present day from the independent and sovereign country of Panama, Mycroft? Just naked imperial might? We had control over Panama a century ago, and we can reassert that control whenever we feel like, so they are an independent nation at our pleasure?
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Knowing the way Trump operates, we aren't going to take it from them. They will give it to us.
 
Mycroft said:
Knowing the way Trump operates, we aren't going to take it from them. They will give it to us.
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In exchange for what, Mycroft? The Panamanians make billions from tolls from the canal. And Panama is not a rich country by any stretch. Why would they just give it over to us? Should we be expecting other valuable economic corridors vital to developing countries to be gifted to the United States in the near future? Should we just expect Egypt to just gift us the Suez Canal, or Turkey the Dardanelles Straight?

Because if we are talking about sheer economic and strategic value, and the United States is going to be using its military to threaten or wage war against allies and trade partners to extract imperial concessions, then let us just cut to the jugular. We should be putting pressure on Indonesia and Malaysia to give up their sovereignty and give us control over the Strait of Malacca. That way, we would be able to control China's lifeline to the Middle East, and extract a heavy toll from the Chinese in order to allow them to live as a modern industrial country with access to fuel. Panama is smallfry by comparison. That makes far more sense.
 
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Bok Tuklo said:
He’s burning through all the goodwill America has.

Our enemies will have their man in the White House again. I hope the Dollar survives as the reserve currency.
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What part of Trump's Truth Social statement do you disagree with?

".The United States has a vested interest in the secure, efficient, and reliable operation of the Panama Canal, and that was always understood. We would and will NEVER let it fall into the wrong hands! It was not given for the benefit of others, but merely as a token of cooperation with us and Panama.
If the principles, both moral and legal, of this magnanimous gesture of giving are not followed, then we will demand that the Panama Canal be returned to us, in full, and without question. To the Officials of Panama, please be guided accordingly!"
 
jaypatriot said:
What part of Trump's Truth Social statement do you disagree with?

".The United States has a vested interest in the secure, efficient, and reliable operation of the Panama Canal, and that was always understood. We would and will NEVER let it fall into the wrong hands! It was not given for the benefit of others, but merely as a token of cooperation with us and Panama.
If the principles, both moral and legal, of this magnanimous gesture of giving are not followed, then we will demand that the Panama Canal be returned to us, in full, and without question. To the Officials of Panama, please be guided accordingly!"
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I disagree that we have the right (even if we have the power) to strip a country of its sovereignty and take control over their land and economic resources in exchange for nothing beyond a "Well, we could have killed more of them. They should be grateful." Even if the country is small and poor. It is un-American. We are not some dying decadent European colonial Empire, like the French or the British.
 
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Not sure why Trump is worried about the canal. After he implements his new tariffs, America won't be doing a whole lot of trading with the rest of the world. Brazil and Argentina have been rapidly replacing the US in the bulk grain (Soy, Corn etc) markets since China reacted to the last tariffs. That's all new production post tariffs, so it is additional supply to the global markets. Means that our US farmers might find it tough to find new markets for the current level of production. As the new tariffs kick in we can expect other American exporters to find themselves getting shut out of traditional markets as well. Other than critical raw minerals etc, the world can quite easily increase production capacity for most products if America becomes too hard or too expensive to trade with.
 
Felis Leo said:
In exchange for what, Mycroft? The Panamanians make billions from tolls from the canal. And Panama is not a rich country by any stretch. Why would they just give it over to us?
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I'll leave the deal making up to Trump.

Felis Leo said:
Should we be expecting other valuable economic corridors vital to developing countries to be gifted to the United States in the near future? Should we just expect Egypt to just gift us the Suez Canal, or Turkey the Dardanelles Straight?

Because if we are talking about sheer economic and strategic value, and the United States is going to be using its military to threaten or wage war against allies and trade partners to extract imperial concessions, then let us just cut to the jugular. We should be putting pressure on Indonesia and Malaysia to give up their sovereignty and give us control over the Strait of Malacca. That way, we would be able to control China's lifeline to the Middle East, and extract a heavy toll from the Chinese in order to allow them to live as a modern industrial country with access to fuel. Panama is smallfry by comparison. That makes far more sense.
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Now you are just going off the rails. Try to dial it back a bit, eh?
 
Mycroft said:
Now you are just going off the rails. Try to dial it back a bit, eh?
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Am I though, Mycroft? I am simply following things to their logical conclusion, that is, the fear of China as a rival superpower and being willing to do whatever it takes to beat them, short of open warfare. If Donald Trump would violate our treaties and just propose to take over the Panama Canal over the fear that the Chinese might take over, then why not seek to take control over the Strait of Malacca? It is a far more strategically and economically valuable corridor and one that puts China in a Vice if they ever presume to harm us.

I would prevail upon you to think a moment: Taking control over Panama might hurt the Chinese pocketbooks, certainly. But Panama is an economic and strategic asset to the United States, not to China (it is merely economic to them). It would make more sense to take control over an asset that is strategically vital to China. If China endangers us, we could cut off their oil imports overnight in one fell swoop and reduce them to mid-Nineteenth Century levels of destitution.
 
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Mycroft said:
You should do what that article didn't do: Read Trump's posts.

Here...I'll help.

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You post crap from this clown and we’re supposed to take you seriously 🤣🤣🤣
 
dmpi said:
This ain't Biden's student loan program where you can do whatever you want and everything is forgiven. Trump is doing the right thing with examining & verifying all our treaties and agreements and making sure other counties are holding up their end of the bargain.
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Trump has no idea where Panama is on a map.

Someone’s gotta circle it with a sharpie
 
NuffSaid said:
You post crap from this clown and we’re supposed to take you seriously 🤣🤣🤣
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The OP is going to be sad that you feel that way.
 
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zincwarrior said:
That he's the drunk at the end of the bar?
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More like a return/update to the Monroe Doctrine. I'm not saying I like it, and I'm not saying that there won't be consequences for it, but that's my read on the situation, and it's consistent with the MAGA vision of the world order and the US place/role in it.
 
Felis Leo said:
I disagree that we have the right (even if we have the power) to strip a country of its sovereignty and take control over their land and economic resources in exchange for nothing beyond a "Well, we could have killed more of them. They should be grateful." Even if the country is small and poor. It is un-American. We are not some dying decadent European colonial Empire, like the French or the British.
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President James Polk would've been very worried about you had you lived on the East Coast in 1846 when Polk tried to provoke Mexico into a war with the U.S. YOu would probably protest against the Mexican War.
If there had been no war in 1847 or if the Mexicans had won that war, you would now be speaking Spanish and ruled by the Mexican government. That war was one of the greatest land grabs in the history of warfare. Aren't you ashamed you live on conquered land?
 
Mycroft said:
You should do what that article didn't do: Read Trump's posts.

Here...I'll help.

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Trump didn’t write that. His handlers did. The globalist Trump pukes billionaires club. They are the puppeteers in plain sight pulling his strings. Trump is but an empty husk. He doesn’t even know what magnanimous means.
 
He is setting US foreign policy back 100 years.
 
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