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New York Bill to force Chick-Filet to stay open on Sunday's

justabubba said:
what makes that clear?
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Other food providing businesses (e.g. Panera and Popeyes) are open fewer hours/week than CFA. The OP (and its link) assume the intent is to force CFA to open on Sundays in 7 to 10 locations, but the more likely result would be to force CFA out of those locations.
 
justabubba said:
what makes that clear?
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It’s actually a fair point when you look at who submitted the legislation and their comments about CFA.

I’m not saying it’s bad legislation in that Service plaza vendors should be open 7/365 since weekends tend to be heavy travel time for families.

WW
 
Not the existing ones. Apparently there's another company (Applegreen) which recently signed a 33 year contract to run the rest stops, and as part of that contract, the Chick-Fil-A locations can still keep their scheduled day off.

Source

So it appears this will be an issue for any individual contracts NYS enters into with restaurants at rest stops outside of this scope.
 
i would be very surprised if there was not some minimum band of time the facilities must be open and operational
it now looks like there will be a 7 day per week standard for operations
CFA gets to now choose whether it wants to open daily or forego the business opportunity
ditto for any other potential entity which opts to close during any particular day of the week
CFA is well known, and respected, for allowing its employees sundays off. IBM proudly resisted laying off any employee until economic factors compelled that change of policy. CFA may soon find itself in a circumstance which causes its policies to change. it's business - NOT religion - at work
 
agreed
what's the point of creating the infrastructure to feed travelers, and then allow it to remain fallow 86% of the time
those who travel on sundays would likely want something to eat, too
CFA will have to choose whether it is CFA which feeds them
 
ldub23 said:
The liberals are mad because the owner doesnt agree with gay marriage. Its a bill for the one business to be forced to comply
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The right is just looking for something to gripe about. This isn't about religion it's about hours of operation.
 
I hope the stick to their guns and close the restaurants. For good.
 
Callen said:
The right is just looking for something to gripe about. This isn't about religion it's about hours of operation.
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Not just about a business's hours of operation, it is about not degrading a business' right to chose their hours of operation, and not be forced by the state dictating that business's hours of operation.

Since the business' choice of hours of operation is based on the culture of the business being founded in religious belief's, it's an infringement on both the business' right to chose their own hours of operation as well as the religious foundation of that choice.
 
eohrnberger said:
Not just about a business's hours of operation, it is about not degrading a business' right to chose their hours of operation, and not be forced by the state dictating that business's hours of operation.
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That's just plain untrue. All sorts of limitations are put in leases about hours of operation esoecialy in malls etc. It's a publicly funded building on a toll that you must pay to use. There are limited facilities and it is in the best interest of the taxpayer to have full service operations on busy weekends.
 
Callen said:
That's just plain untrue.
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No, it's not.
Especially considering that the restrictions appear to be only applicable to a single business, and, in fact, specifically written to target that one single business.

Callen said:
All sorts of limitations are put in leases about hours of operation esoecialy in malls etc.
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Callen said:
It's a publicly funded building on a toll that you must pay to use.
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I have no argument about that point, that lessees need to pay the lessor for leasing the space.

Callen said:
There are limited facilities and it is in the best interest of the taxpayer to have full service operations on busy weekends.
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That's stretching 'the best interest of the taxpayer' to cover for what is certainly a culture war motived move by the state, originating from a known strongly left leaning state legislature.
 
eohrnberger said:
No, it's not.
Especially considering that the restrictions appear to be only applicable to a single business, and, in fact, specifically written to target that one single
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Nope, the restrictions will apply to all businesses that contract to provide services to travelers on the government operated Thruway.

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WorldWatcher said:
Nope, the restrictions will apply to all businesses that contract to provide services to travelers on the government operated Thruway.

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OK, rather than using the word 'applicable', I think I should have said 'targeting'. It's more accurate.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
BUT

This bill targets people I really hate and there’s the thinnest veneer of excuses to claim it’s not based on targeting people I don’t like and therefore no violation of rights

Fixed it for you, much shorter and more succinct
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Blatant strawman is still strawman. Admitting to it, doesn't change the fallacy.
 
You might want to talk to you local franchise owner, because we don't have any in this area with slow service.
 
Banks as private businesses would be a no. But I have long advocated that government offices be 7 days a week.
 
eohrnberger said:
Especially considering that the restrictions appear to be only applicable to a single business, and, in fact, specifically written to target that one
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The restrictions are applicable to all businesses leading those spaces. CF was not mentioned in the legislation but rather in a memo the Congressman wrote.

Were you just as indignant when Disney was singled out for punishment by DeSantis?
 
Are you claiming that CFA will not open new stores in NY because of this bill that only affects any potential stores on the thruways and ports, or are you thinking that bill applies to all CFA's statewide?
 
All the hand-wringing is over a nothing burger. Tiresome religious zealots cry about persecution and discrimination when business contract language is legally changed and cheer when a baker can legally refuse to bake cakes for customers they don't like.

"JUSTIFICATION:

The New York State Thruway Authority's Service Area Redesign and Rede-
velopment Project is currently rebuilding the 27 service areas along the
Thruway through a public-private partnership. The travelling public and
commercial trucking industry rely on these service areas to rest, refuel
and to purchase food and beverages. In 2021, the Thruway Authority
engaged Applegreen, an Irish convenience store chain, to take over the
leases of all service areas.

Applegreen's portfolio of companies include Chick-fil-A, which by compa-
ny policy is closed on Sundays, and which has already opened at seven
service areas. While there is nothing objectionable about a fast food
restaurant closing on a particular day of the week, service areas dedi-
cated to travelers is an inappropriate location for such a restaurant.
Publicly owned service areas should use their space to maximally benefit
the public. Allowing for retail space to go unused one seventh of the
week or more is a disservice and unnecessary inconvenience to travelers
who rely on these service areas.

This legislation will ensure that all future contracts for food conces-
sions at transportation facilities owned by the Thruway Authority, as
well as the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, will be required
to operate seven days a week, with an exclusion to temporary concessions
such as farmers markets or local vendors."

Bill Search and Legislative Information | New York State Assembly

News and Information from the New York State Assembly
nyassembly.gov
 
cpwill said:
No - Kim Davis was a public employee. All restaurants are (rather famously) considered "Public Accommodations"; neither that nor this mean they are representing the government.
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There was a reason I said akin to but not exactly he same. They still are in a government facility and as such must conform to the rules of the facility.

cpwill said:
And, even if you were correct, here SCOTUS has already ruled against forcing government employees to work on Sunday unless they have serious need to do so.
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The employees are not government employees. They are working inside a government facility. Not the same thing. If you want to consider that a legal loophole, then by all means. And that's before we look at the point that many of the actual employees themselves would be willing to work sundays, with only the company policy stopping them from doing so.
 
maquiscat said:
You might want to talk to you local franchise owner, because we don't have any in this area with slow service.
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They are consistently rated the longest wait for drive thru. I don’t want to wait 10 minutes for a mediocre chicken sandwich with a soggy bun.
 
They aren’t government employees and they certainly aren’t being forced to work. If they want the location, they can follow the law, or they can relocate.
 
Why is it a fair point? It doesn’t matter in the slightest.
 
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