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New York Bill to force Chick-Filet to stay open on Sunday's

They are consistently rated the longest wait for drive thru. I don’t want to wait 10 minutes for a mediocre chicken sandwich with a soggy bun.
By whom? And I'm willing to admit that I just might be in the area that are the exception to the overall standard. I won't disagree with the portion to price ratio, but service and quality are top notch with my local ones.
 
They are consistently rated the longest wait for drive thru. I don’t want to wait 10 minutes for a mediocre chicken sandwich with a soggy bun.
I wonder if length of line is considered in this? Cuz tbh, CFA almost always has the longest lines, and it's not because they are slow. At least not in my experience and I travel quite a bit for work.
 
By whom? And I'm willing to admit that I just might be in the area that are the exception to the overall standard. I won't disagree with the portion to price ratio, but service and quality are top notch with my local ones.

  1. KFC (302.6 seconds)
  2. Taco Bell (317.7 seconds)
  3. Hardee’s (322.6 seconds)
  4. Dunkin’ (328.1 seconds)
  5. Carl’s Jr. (346.5 seconds)
  6. Arby’s (356.8 seconds)
  7. Burger King (362.7 seconds)
  8. McDonald’s (410.6 seconds)
  9. Wendy’s (430.7 seconds)
  10. Chick-fil-A (509.1 seconds)
 
I wonder if length of line is considered in this? Cuz tbh, CFA almost always has the longest lines, and it's not because they are slow. At least not in my experience and I travel quite a bit for work.
I would expect that the length of the line is not considered with the specific metric they used.
 
They aren’t government employees and they certainly aren’t being forced to work. If they want the location, they can follow the law, or they can relocate.
I agree they aren't government employees. @maquiscat was comparing them to such, to say the government could force them to stay open on Sundays as a requirement. I was pointing out that SCOTUS had recently ruled that, even for Government employees, who the State would have more rights over in this area, that was not necessarily correct.
 
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To @maquiscat's point, from your article:

Despite Chick-fil-A’s poor showing in the speed portion of the study, the chain tied with Carl’s Jr. to score the highest in customer satisfaction with their drive-thru experience, which takes into account staff friendliness as well as customer expectations about how quickly they expect to receive their food.​

Strictly from observation, I would bet CFA having a slower line is heavily due to them always having a line of cars. People love them some chik fil a, so, you'll be stuck behind them, but taco bell? Who is in front of you?
 
There was a reason I said akin to but not exactly he same. They still are in a government facility and as such must conform to the rules of the facility.



The employees are not government employees. They are working inside a government facility. Not the same thing. If you want to consider that a legal loophole, then by all means. And that's before we look at the point that many of the actual employees themselves would be willing to work sundays, with only the company policy stopping them from doing so.
Government has more authority over the working hours of its employees, v citizens, not less.
 
By whom? And I'm willing to admit that I just might be in the area that are the exception to the overall standard. I won't disagree with the portion to price ratio, but service and quality are top notch with my local ones.
I am not impressed with the quality, texture and taste of their sandwiches but I have to agree their service is friendly fast and efficient. We happened to be in a hotel that overlooked a CF drive thru on our way south last year and I was fascinated with the process. They had two lines going and people out taking orders from the cars and then at the other end people delivering them.
 
I agree they aren't government employees. @maquiscat was comparing them to such, to say the government could force them to stay open on Sundays as a requirement. I was pointing out that SCOTUS had recently ruled that, even for Government employees, who the State would have more rights over in this area, that was not necessarily correct.
Police don’t all get to take Sundays off of work.
To @maquiscat's point, from your article:

Despite Chick-fil-A’s poor showing in the speed portion of the study, the chain tied with Carl’s Jr. to score the highest in customer satisfaction with their drive-thru experience, which takes into account staff friendliness as well as customer expectations about how quickly they expect to receive their food.​

Strictly from observation, I would bet CFA having a slower line is heavily due to them always having a line of cars. People love them some chik fil a, so, you'll be stuck behind them, but taco bell? Who is in front of you?
IMO, CfA is wildly overrated. There’s nothing on their menu that you can’t get a better version of somewhere else, generally even faster and at a better price.

I think their success mostly involves their marketing strategy of pandering.
 
Government has more authority over the working hours of its employees, v citizens, not less.
In this case, what the government says is when the store has to be open within the transit centers (or whatever they call them), but it's up to the businesses themselves on how to get the people to make that happen. The government is not the one who decides who works what days.
 
I am not impressed with the quality, texture and taste of their sandwiches but I have to agree their service is friendly fast and efficient. We happened to be in a hotel that overlooked a CF drive thru on our way south last year and I was fascinated with the process. They had two lines going and people out taking orders from the cars and then at the other end people delivering them.
I've always enjoyed the quality and taste and such. What gets me lately is portions, which is not in the control of the local franchises. It's not like they source their own ingredients and make the chicken on site. I wish they did, because prices would probably be way lower as I live in Perdue country. My dad even worked on the phone lines of Frank and Mitzi's home. So chicken would be less here.
 
Police don’t all get to take Sundays off of work.

I looked at the cases reference for this. There is a criteria the courts set for this as to when a government agency could force it and when they couldn't. So there is that. That wasn't what I was comparing directly. I was looking more at how religious objection can be (although not always is) set aside within government operation.

IMO, CfA is wildly overrated. There’s nothing on their menu that you can’t get a better version of somewhere else, generally even faster and at a better price.

You are in a minority of opinion, or at least, there are tons enough people who believe the opposite of you, given how busy they always are, again, based on the local observations. I don't think I have come across better. DIfferent, sure. Both KFC and RoFo have chicken that I love as much as CFA. It just depends on what I am in the mood for taste wise, and whether I want to pay the cost. I won't disagree that you can do better for amount of chicken for the cost. But it seems for a lot of people, that taste is worth the price point.
 
I looked at the cases reference for this. There is a criteria the courts set for this as to when a government agency could force it and when they couldn't. So there is that. That wasn't what I was comparing directly. I was looking more at how religious objection can be (although not always is) set aside within government operation.



You are in a minority of opinion, or at least, there are tons enough people who believe the opposite of you, given how busy they always are, again, based on the local observations. I don't think I have come across better. DIfferent, sure. Both KFC and RoFo have chicken that I love as much as CFA. It just depends on what I am in the mood for taste wise, and whether I want to pay the cost. I won't disagree that you can do better for amount of chicken for the cost. But it seems for a lot of people, that taste is worth the price point.
I respect your view but it’s my personal opinion that folks are biased when they talk about chick fil a because of the Christian pandering. If they were just assessing the product quality/cost, uninfluenced by other considerations, I believe it would be far less popular.
 
I respect your view but it’s my personal opinion that folks are biased when they talk about chick fil a because of the Christian pandering. If they were just assessing the product quality/cost, uninfluenced by other considerations, I believe it would be far less popular.
I do find that rather cynical, but I guess I can't blame you for it. I buy it for the taste, and I know several others who do, even while not liking all that they profess and do. Not every liberal type is hardcore and boycotting CFA because of those policies.
 
Seems like yet another case of the retards in NYC shooting themselves in the foot. They are essentially guaranteeing a successful franchise will not open new stores in their city thus not employing hundreds and potentially thousands. Seem like the same retards that also pulled their idiocy with Amazon.

Leftists are such tragic ****ing retards.
But less so than someone thinking this bill will have the effect you've stated considering the scope of the bill is very specific to thruway rest stops and transportation facilities operated by the Port Authority.
 
So far the discussion is the mechanics of the law. They are not in dispute.

What needs discussed is what's the intent behind the law? I argue its a way to punish Christianity in the name of States rights to raise revenue via taxation.
Why does your idea of "intent" need to be discussed?

The wording of the proposed law - what you seem to dub "mechanics" - is what matters.
 
Lets call this what it is. And coming from NY it is of no surprise.

This is a straight up attack on God and Christianity. They can wrap it and call it what they want, but it is an attack.

Lindsay Graham says he will fight to protect CF's rights.

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Lyndsay Graham is in the NY government?

Also, I would think God could fight his own battles.
 
So far the discussion is the mechanics of the law. They are not in dispute.

What needs discussed is what's the intent behind the law? I argue its a way to punish Christianity in the name of States rights to raise revenue via taxation.
Maybe Christianity in America should stop being such pushy ****s.
 
Maybe Christianity in America should stop being such pushy ****s.
lol... I don't even think this has anything to do with that. The state is saying it wants all the restaurants in its rest stops to be open all the time. That's it. It couldn't be less controversial.

Some Christians are so desperate to be martyrs that they will claim religious persecution if it rains on them. This is literally the most boring story in the world.
 
Lets call this what it is. And coming from NY it is of no surprise.

This is a straight up attack on God and Christianity. They can wrap it and call it what they want, but it is an attack.

Lindsay Graham says he will fight to protect CF's rights.

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No rights are being infringed.

Any current Chik-fil-A's would be grandfathered in if they have locations in these transport locations. And no new ones are forced by law to have locations in these places. They can just...not be there.

Further, technically, the Sabbath, which is the day we are to take rest for devotion and worship is actually Saturday, not Sunday.

Another, Biblical, technical point is that the Bible doesn't actually demand that the Sabbath even be recognized by Christians...but IS favorably encouraged. But there is no actual demand or command to do it.

So...yeah...Chik-fil-A has no argument to stand on.
 
agreed
what's the point of creating the infrastructure to feed travelers, and then allow it to remain fallow 86% of the time
those who travel on sundays would likely want something to eat, too
CFA will have to choose whether it is CFA which feeds them
Exactly. There are a finite number of travel plazas on the Thruway (or any other toll highway) and a finite number of food service facilities in those plazas. Why should one vendor get to stay closed on Sundays, a busy travel day, when the object is to serve the traveling public on those toll roads without paying additional toll fees to exit or re-enter the toll road?

These are leased spaces owned by the state. Pass the law as stated where current leases are not affected, but lays the groundwork for future lease terms. Nobody has a right to lease (except perhaps rent controlled apartments) so there shouldn’t be any lawsuits. Simply let the current leases get to their maturity dates, then if the vendor doesn’t want to sign a new lease with new terms, like being open 365 days a year, they can vacate the space and let the lease go to another vendor agreeable to the terms.

Religion has nothing to do with it, nor does CFA. It’s the business of the state in providing these travel plazas for the public, and they get to make the rules, like being open 7 days a week. They own the facilities. Don’t care for the new terms? Then don’t sign a new lease.
 
Further, technically, the Sabbath, which is the day we are to take rest for devotion and worship is actually Saturday, not Sunday.

If you want to get real technical, given its origins, it's from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. And that's assuming that we didn't have any real day shifts in converting between calendar formats

Another, Biblical, technical point is that the Bible doesn't actually demand that the Sabbath even be recognized by Christians...but IS favorably encouraged. But there is no actual demand or command to do it.

Reference, please?
 
The restrictions are applicable to all businesses leading those spaces. CF was not mentioned in the legislation but rather in a memo the Congressman wrote.
That the Congressman mentioned CF in the memo goes to support that the legislation is nothing more than targeting them.

Were you just as indignant when Disney was singled out for punishment by DeSantis?
Pushing back against the Woke and its idiocies is the right thing to do in my view, especially when promoting the left and far left political and societal agenda.
The NY legislation is an example of how the left has weaponized government and LE to push their political and societal agenda, and that too needs to be pushed back on.
 
That the Congressman mentioned CF in the memo goes to support that the legislation is nothing more than targeting them
Seriously dumb move on his part but it is not part of the legislation.

That the Congressman mentioned CF in the memo goes to support that the legislation is nothing more than targeting them.


Pushing back against the Woke and its idiocies is the right thing to do in my view, especially when promoting the left and far left political and societal agenda.
The NY legislation is an example of how the left has weaponized government and LE to push their political and societal agenda, and that too needs to be pushed back on.
OK so targeting certain companies who's agenda you disagree with is OK. I see.
 
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