New Black Panthers offer reward for capture of George Zimmerman

[Hatuey]

I am going to be a bit of a devils advocate here. If Zimmerman had actually spotted someone who was going to commit a crime (not Trayvon because he was just an innocent kid), like a black gangbanger who was on his way to go rob and kill some little old lady and he would have stopped him than everybody would be singing his praises and all kinds of political candidates would be knocking on his door for his endorsement, etc. etc. etc.

But he didn't. That's why we are here.

Defending your community in the face of real danger is a noble thing to do and if someone does that he deserves all the praise he/she will get so let's not act like being a brave private citizen with zero legal autorithy is always a bad thing.

In this case however mr. Zimmerman did not do the right thing. Trayvon wasn't suspicious, he was just a kid who did not pose a threat to anyone. Zimmerman did not stop a crime, he might actually have committed one with no justification.

And this witness who said that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman might be right, if I was a young black kid and was being followed by an unknown man and he was acting on his stand his ground rights by defending himself from a threat (the threat being Zimmerman) and Zimmerman on his part was also acting upon that stupid stand your ground law.

And I say stupid because in fact both Trayvon and Zimmerman could have claimed this stand your ground defense. If Trayvon had killed Zimmerman after being followed and feeling threatened he could have used the stand your ground defense. And in some part he was not wrong to fear for his life from a much bigger latino man with a weapon who was following him through the area. He most likely did feel threatened.

The problem could have been avoided. Zimmerman should have done what the police said, he should not have followed this kid and than Trayvon would now be sitting safe and sound in his house and Zimmerman would be at home too. Sometimes when there is no real danger or great need to play the hero you should let the police handle it, it is their job, not yours.

But he didn't. He played Rambo now you have dozens of people on this forum defending him by making up lies. Some of them cause they don't like Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Why would any other eye witness need to corroborate those two women? Are their statements the only ones that don't seem to fit into the lies woven by Zimmerman and Co(ps)?

That should be obvious. If for example 20 people say the same thing and 2 people say something different then the odds are that someone is lying. And the odds are that it is the 2 people that are lying and not the 20 people.

Dunno :shrug: - What I do know is that evidence has been provided. Now you seem to have a problem with it. :shrug:

Incomplete evidence. That is what I have a problem with. You are basing your assumptions on incomplete evidence. You were not there right? You did not see what happened from start to finish. You do not have any physical evidence. The only evidence that you actually have to support you is 2 witnesses out of others saying that they did not see anything until after the shooting. Witnesses that are saying that the police are supposedly not telling the truth about what they said. You have apparently not sought out what any of the other witnesses have said. You seem to ignore that Zimmerman did have a bloody nose and had been hit in the back of the head. You tout that Trayvon was unarmed while Zimmerman was, like that really means anything for a person to fear for their life or not. People can kill without a weapon after all with just their bare hands.

Sorry but the evidence that you have brought forth does not prove that Zimmerman is guilty.

 

[Hatuey]

That should be obvious. If for example 20 people say the same thing and 2 people say something different then the odds are that someone is lying. And the odds are that it is the 2 people that are lying and not the 20 people.

But 20 people haven't said corroborated his evidence. You have 2 witnesses against Zimmerman's account, you have Martin's GF on the phone, and on the other side you have a 13 year old kid, some anonymous witness and ....Zimmerman.

Incomplete evidence. That is what I have a problem with. You are basing your assumptions on incomplete evidence. You were not there right? You did not see what happened from start to finish. You do not have any physical evidence. The only evidence that you actually have to support you is 2 witnesses out of others saying that they did not see anything until after the shooting. Witnesses that are saying that the police are supposedly not telling the truth about what they said. You have apparently not sought out what any of the other witnesses have said. You seem to ignore that Zimmerman did have a bloody nose and had been hit in the back of the head. You tout that Trayvon was unarmed while Zimmerman was, like that really means anything for a person to fear for their life or not. People can kill without a weapon after all with just their bare hands.

Sorry but the evidence that you have brought forth does not prove that Zimmerman is guilty.

Incomplete because you don't like it? Kk that's not my problem :shrug:

 

[fyrenza]

But he didn't. That's why we are here.



But he didn't. He played Rambo now you have dozens of people on this forum defending him by making up lies. Some of them cause they don't like Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.

O

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!!!

Are you actually calling folks RACISTS???

 

[Kal'Stang]

But 20 people haven't said corroborated his evidence. You have 2 witnesses against Zimmerman's account, you have Martin's GF on the phone, and on the other side you have a 13 year old kid, some anonymous witness and ....Zimmerman.

Two witnesses that admit that they didn't see anything until after the shooting.

Martins GF would be a biased imo. But even if you were to accept whatever it is that she said there is still the problem of her not being there. And from what I can tell she wasn't even talked to until way after all this went down.

13 year old kid?

And what does the anonymous witness say?

Were there any other witnesses?

Incomplete because you don't like it? Kk that's not my problem :shrug:

It doesn't matter if I like it or not. I have no bone in Zimmerman one way or the other. I just prefer to know the FULL facts and not just partial facts before I condemn a person to being hunted down.

In case you hadn't noticed I have yet to say that Zimmerman is guilty OR innocent. The only thing that I am trying to do is to get you and kenvin to not jump to conclusions based on very incomplete evidence.

 

[fyrenza]

The odds ARE that the witness(es) that came forward,
on the night of the incident,
TO THE POLICE,

is(/are) telling the truth.

Anyone else is suspect,

for the simple FACT that they could have told their stories AT THE TIME.

Waiting until there's some huge ruckus about it,
and THEN testifying something that is guaranteed to "stir the pot" is, at best, malicious.

 

[Excon]

Wrong.
Totally inaccurate and biased narrative.

sure it's inaccurate.

Thank you for admitting it.

 

[Kal'Stang]

But he didn't. He played Rambo now you have dozens of people on this forum defending him by making up lies. Some of them cause they don't like Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.

WTH does Sharpton or Jackson have to do with this? Were they there or something?

 

[Hatuey]

WTH does Sharpton or Jackson have to do with this? Were they there or something?

People are defending Zimmerman simply cause they don't like Jackson and Sharpton. :shrug:

 

[rhinefire]

The Block Head Panthers were made up of crooks and drug addicts in the60's and I see nothing has changed. They all belong in cages.

 

[Erod]

Today's version of the KKK in full regalia. The most racist among us.

 

[Top Cat]

Obama hates white people.

You're on a roll. The inane statements just keep coming.

 

[Top Cat]

Nothing wrong with offering a reward to get a murderer.

What the Black Panthers are doing is not that different than what Zimmerman and CO. are doing. They are playing the police. We have laws and law enforcement agencies. Let them do their jobs and let justice play its course.

 

[Top Cat]

It was not and is not in the hands of the police.
And the evidence does not indicate any murder took place.

And here we go again. Give us all a link to your sources? You have seen all the evidence?

 

[Top Cat]

hmmm...

Do y'all look at crime stats?
Has anyone noted the amount of black on white hate crimes that are committed?

In fact, it occurs to me that if white folks had some ****-hot lawyer,
this entire thing could be turned around ...

Poor Obozo ~ his "son" turned out to be a petty criminal.
guess that apple didn't fall far from the tree! lol

Brilliant statement. I am in awe of your intellect here.

 

[Top Cat]

Ya'll have heard the entire story, right?

Tray was on top of Zimmerman,
beating him,
when the shot was fired;
Tray was like 6'1";
Tray's FB page, with him flipping everyone off, has been cited;
the fact that Tray was suspended from school for being in possession of BURGULARY TOOLS;

(as Paul Harvey would say: )

the REST of The Story?

For the love of all things pure, turn down RIGHT WING RADIO.

 

[Top Cat]

And your point IS ... what?

That wasn't his FB page? Have YOU seen his FB page? Me, either..

and yet you were so sure he has a picture flipping everyone off?

How tall WAS he? Have YOU seen any recent pix of Tray? 'Cuz I sure in **** haven't. .

And yet you claimed he was 6' 1"?

Seriously. People like you are a huge part of the problem. You don't know jack, yet you throw **** out there as if you do. Let the legal system play this out. The real facts will come out.

and by the way, your font is annoying.

 

[fyrenza]

I happen to like this font/color/size,
and since the controls for using MY choice of style are provided,

I'd have to say that you are going to have to exercise your choice
and put me on Iggy if it's so horrendous.

 

[Hatuey]

I happen to like this font/color/size,
and since the controls for using MY choice of style are provided,

I'd have to say that you are going to have to exercise your choice
and put me on Iggy if it's so horrendous.

Do you speak the way you type? I can't imagine adults around you taking you very seriously when you use words like "Iggy" and "Fluke". The same applies to the internet.

 

[Boo Radley]

They were nobodies, but now they're splashed across the internet by hordes of helpers.

At the end of the day, they're still no bodies. But giving them too much credence helps them more than ignoring them would. They are not helping, and don't deserve too much attention.

 

[Ikari]

So now there's a whole new level of justice being sought in the death of Trevon Martin, or is it revenge?[/FONT]

This is revenge and shouldn't be allowed. You cannot take out "hits" on other people. We do need a proper police force, I can understand the anger because it doesn't seem like a proper investigation took place. Still, you cannot actually go vigilante on this.

 

[kenvin]

This is revenge and shouldn't be allowed. You cannot take out "hits" on other people. We do need a proper police force, I can understand the anger because it doesn't seem like a proper investigation took place. Still, you cannot actually go vigilante on this.

Why not? .

 

[Ikari]

Why not? .

Why can't we have vigilantism? Assuming this is a serious question, because we have a legal system to ensure a quality of justice that was built to take care of this. One may be upset at the system, and there’s lots to be upset about one way or another. But we’re past the posse days when you rounded up some good ol’ boys and went out to string up some guy because you think he did something wrong. Statistically, vigilantism is going to result in greater harm and mistakes than the justice system we created.

The courts and the cops are there for a reason. There can be changes to the system; but when the system gets something wrong (or possibly wrong), that’s not charge to dump the whole thing and resort to vigilantism. If we do that every time, we’re going to end up in a worse place collectively. This ain’t Death Wish, you ain’t Charles Bronson. Aggregated vigilantism is not a good thing, there’s no trial, there’s no precautions for the accused, no system of checks and balances to ensure that the individual is guilty before punishment. How is this not obvious?

 

[kenvin]

Why can't we have vigilantism? Assuming this is a serious question, because we have a legal system to ensure a quality of justice that was built to take care of this. One may be upset at the system, and there’s lots to be upset about one way or another. But we’re past the posse days when you rounded up some good ol’ boys and went out to string up some guy because you think he did something wrong. Statistically, vigilantism is going to result in greater harm and mistakes than the justice system we created.

The courts and the cops are there for a reason. There can be changes to the system; but when the system gets something wrong (or possibly wrong), that’s not charge to dump the whole thing and resort to vigilantism. If we do that every time, we’re going to end up in a worse place collectively. This ain’t Death Wish, you ain’t Charles Bronson. Aggregated vigilantism is not a good thing, there’s no trial, there’s no precautions for the accused, no system of checks and balances to ensure that the individual is guilty before punishment. How is this not obvious?

So if the government refuses to uphold the law and provide equal protection citizens can't use their first and second amendment rights to seek justice and uphold the constitution?

 

[Ikari]

So if the government refuses to uphold the law and provide equal protection citizens can't use their first and second amendment rights to seek justice and uphold the constitution?

Depends on how quickly you’re looking to destroy the Republic. If you’re looking to destroy it ASAP, then by all means immediately turn to vigilantism at every change and knee jerk reaction. We’ll quickly find ourselves in more of a police state than we even have now. People will get fed up with innocent people being killed by roaming mobs or being held “hostage” by private bounties and mobs running around believing they are the law. We’ll have way more cases like this very case we’re debating more if we take vigilantism as appropriate response to everything.

Violence against the government is a held right and duty of the People. There could certainly be a time when we are left with no other choice. But it must be a last choice because when you rise up against the government as such, you roll the dice. You never entirely know what you’re going to get on the other side. That’s why it should be reserved only as a last resort. If this were aggregated to a much much higher level than isolated cases, you may begin to be able to make a case for violence against the government. But if it remains on an isolated level, you are better off soliciting changes from elsewhere.

Vigilantism is why we’re in this mess, more won’t make it better.