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New Black Panthers offer reward for capture of George Zimmerman

The kid can't be the aggressor. He was not armed and zimmerman followed him. Zimmerman was the aggressor. So zimmerman is responsible.

Even if the kid punched zimmerman he was defending himself against an armed stalker.

You addressed, at the most 1/5 of what I was saying. Do you have any other comments other than Zimmerman was a stalker?

1. You are assuming you know what was in Zimmerman's mind
2. You are assuming you know what happened when the phone call ended
3. You are claiming vigilante justice is justified against Zimmerman, just what he is accused of doing, you are not better than him
4. Why are you calling Trayvon a child? If we find out he was the aggressor he will be referred to as a young man, he was not a child
5. if this situation is so upsetting to you because you think it had to do with race, why not use it to start a larger discussion on race relations or violence? It will do us no good to argue about one man's assumed bias.
 
You addressed, at the most 1/5 of what I was saying. Do you have any other comments other than Zimmerman was a stalker?

1. You are assuming you know what was in Zimmerman's mind
2. You are assuming you know what happened when the phone call ended
3. You are claiming vigilante justice is justified against Zimmerman, just what he is accused of doing, you are not better than him
4. Why are you calling Trayvon a child? If we find out he was the aggressor he will be referred to as a young man, he was not a child
5. if this situation is so upsetting to you because you think it had to do with race, why not use it to start a larger discussion on race relations or violence? It will do us no good to argue about one man's assumed bias.

Zimmerman killed the kid. Zimmerman stalked the kid first. Zimmerman was told not to follow, but he escalated anyway so zimmerman was looking to find trouble. Zimmerman was armed the kid wasn't. Zimmerman is a murdering racist.
 
Zimmerman killed the kid. Zimmerman stalked the kid first. Zimmerman was told not to follow, but he escalated anyway so zimmerman was looking to find trouble. Zimmerman was armed the kid wasn't. Zimmerman is a murdering racist.

Are you reading what wrote twice now? yes, Zimmerman killed Trayvon. What about the rest?

1. You are assuming you know what was in Zimmerman's mind
2. You are assuming you know what happened when the phone call ended
3. You are claiming vigilante justice is justified against Zimmerman, just what he is accused of doing, you are not better than him
4. Why are you calling Trayvon a child? If we find out he was the aggressor he will be referred to as a young man, he was not a child
5. if this situation is so upsetting to you because you think it had to do with race, why not use it to start a larger discussion on race relations or violence? It will do us no good to argue about one man's assumed bias.
 
Are you reading what wrote twice now? yes, Zimmerman killed Trayvon. What about the rest?

1. You are assuming you know what was in Zimmerman's mind

Well we know he thought Trayvon was "suspicious". Given the information about what Trayvon was doing, he clearly wasn't.

2. You are assuming you know what happened when the phone call ended

Well, we know a 140 pound, unarmed kid was dead on the ground.

3. You are claiming vigilante justice is justified against Zimmerman, just what he is accused of doing, you are not better than him

Seems vigilante justice is okay for goose, not for the gander?

4. Why are you calling Trayvon a child? If we find out he was the aggressor he will be referred to as a young man, he was not a child

He wasn't old enough to vote, wasn't old enough to buy a pack of smokes, he wasn't old enough to join the military, not old enough to buy himself a beer. What else would you call him?!?

5. if this situation is so upsetting to you because you think it had to do with race, why not use it to start a larger discussion on race relations or violence? It will do us no good to argue about one man's assumed bias.

Yawn.
 
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hmmm...

Do y'all look at crime stats?
Has anyone noted the amount of black on white :eek: hate crimes that are committed?

In fact, it occurs to me that if white folks had some ****-hot lawyer,
this entire thing could be turned around ...

Poor Obozo ~ his "son" turned out to be a petty criminal.
guess that apple didn't fall far from the tree! lol
 
I might be as left as they get (on this forum, not in my own country, there I am considered a moderate) but I think these new black panthers are just nuts. They are just as bad if not worse than mr. Zimmerman. He still has the "innocent until proven guilty for racism" defense but these jokers do not. They are 100% racist IMHO.

They may have a point that black men are not safe from generalisation, false arrests, harrassment etc. but that no justification to be as radical as these people are. They are also (or at least it seems to me) an organisation what is gender biased. When they said "as black men" I felt like what the f*ck? Black men? Not people citizens? Not black people but black men. That just doesn't sound right.

And also these threats, they are counter productive. What do you want? More non-black people feeling scared and who might need to protect themselves? You are putting a bulls eye on every black person who encouters Mr. Zimmerman because you have started a manhunt on him and have threatened him harm. Stupid, I cannot call this statement anything else. No matter how left wing anti-discrimination I am, this kind of thing is just plain wrong and unwise.
 
He killed the kid after stalking him.

As more and more comes out...it may have been the other way around. How else did he get the back of his head bashed in? (Zimmerman). Or the busted nose?

I think I need to reserve judgement on this case until all comes to light.
 
Well we know he thought Trayvon was "suspicious". Given the information about what Trayvon was doing, he clearly wasn't.
Yes, Zimmerman no doubt was assuming things, he did not identify anything "suspicious" Trayvon was doing.

Well, we know a 140 pound, unarmed kid was dead on the ground.



Seems vigilante justice is okay for goose, not for the gander?
It is hypocrisy is we allow vigilante justice to try, convict and execute Zimmerman.



He wasn't old enough to vote, wasn't old enough to buy a pack of smokes, he wasn't old enough to join the military, not old enough to buy himself a beer. What else would you call him?!?
He was old enough to create graffiti and get suspended more than once and get caught with pot (not that this is a bad thing) I am not trying to demonize Trayvon, my point is that if it was the other way around he would not be referred to as a child. The media, and the public in general view victims to be people that are childlike and incapable of wrongdoing.



So we should just focus on one man's assumed bias and not try to resolve the issues so it does not happen again? We should memorialize Trayvon and then wait for the next tragedy?
 
Ya'll have heard the entire story, right?

Tray was on top of Zimmerman,
beating him,
when the shot was fired;
Tray was like 6'1";
Tray's FB page, with him flipping everyone off, has been cited;
the fact that Tray was suspended from school for being in possession of BURGULARY TOOLS;

(as Paul Harvey would say: )

the REST of The Story?
 
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Yes, Zimmerman no doubt was assuming things, he did not identify anything "suspicious" Trayvon was doing.

Glad we got that clear and settled.

It is hypocrisy is we allow vigilante justice to try, convict and execute Zimmerman.

The way I see it, this can go three ways:

1) Zimmerman is rightfully convicted for his crime and he ends up serving 5-10 years of hell in solitary because he can't be in gen. pop.
2) A few vigilante stick up kids find him and make murder 1 look like a robbery.
3) Zimmerman's life is turned upside down(far more than it already is) and he ends up having to go into hiding for the rest of his life.

To be honest, the way in which people have attempted to demonize Trayvon Martin and make him out to be a criminal, I'm more than satisfied with the 1st and 3rd outcomes. I don't wish the man death because that would be too easy for him, however I do wish him a painful lifetime reminder of just what looking out for "suspicious black men" will get you.

He was old enough to create graffiti and get suspended more than once and get caught with pot (not that this is a bad thing) I am not trying to demonize Trayvon, my point is that if it was the other way around he would not be referred to as a child. The media, and the public in general view victims to be people that are childlike and incapable of wrongdoing.

Yes, I was making graffiti by the time I was 8. It didn't make me a man. I also had my first blunt when I was 13. Still wasn't a man. Kids will be kids.

So we should just focus on one man's assumed bias and not try to resolve the issues so it does not happen again? We should memorialize Trayvon and then wait for the next tragedy?

There is no assumed bias. He was profiling black men walking around his neighbourhood.

Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The February 2012 HOA newsletter requested that crime victims "call our captain, George Zimmerman" after calling the police.[13] Wendy Dorival, who organizes Neighborhood Watch for the Sanford Police Department, told the Sentinel in a recent interview that Zimmerman was chosen as a watch coordinator by his neighbors.[45]

Some residents of his gated townhouse community declared that Zimmerman was known for being strict and that he went door to door asking them to be on the lookout for "young black men who appear to be outsiders", while others regarded him as normal, helpful and passionate about neighborhood security, having supposedly thwarted a previous burglary attempt.[32] The community reportedly experienced numerous instances of burglary, theft, and one shooting during the previous year, with 402 calls made to the police."[32] According to the Miami Herald, Zimmerman had placed 46 of those calls since the beginning of 2011, "to report disturbances, break-ins, windows left open and other incidents; nine of those times, he saw someone or something suspicious".[32] Sanford police chief Bill Lee stated, "Mr. Zimmerman was not acting outside the legal boundaries of Florida Statute by carrying his weapon when this incident occurred."[46]
 
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Now I am thoroughly confused.

So as I said...I think I will wait for a trial...if there is one. This guy might wind up just like casey anthony. I'm pretty sure his life as he knew it, is over.
 
Ya'll have heard the entire story, right?

Tray was on top of Zimmerman,
beating him,
when the shot was fired;
Tray was like 6'1";
Tray's FB page, with him flipping everyone off, has been cited;
the fact that Tray was suspended from school for being in possession of BURGULARY TOOLS;

(as Paul Harvey would say: )

the REST of The Story?

Hi. Welcome to the forum. This has already been debunked please keep up and learn to use a smaller font size?
 
Hi. Welcome to the forum. This has already been debunked please keep up and learn to use a smaller font size?

Fluke you, too!

WHERE?

And, excuse me, but I had no idea you knew everything about the case!
My bad.
 
Fluke you, too! WHERE? And, excuse me, but I had no idea you knew everything about the case!
My bad.

Okay, I'm just going to correct your annoying posts. Here:

Trayvon Martin: No, That's Not His Facebook Page Showing "Gangsta" Photos UPDATED - Miami News - Riptide 2.0

Sourcing Trayvon Martin "Photos" From Stormfront : CJR

A half hour or so after that correction, Business Insider removed one of the Stormfront-sourced pictures—of a black kid who doesn’t look like Martin flipping off the camera—but left up the Stormfront-sourced picture of a black kid with gold teeth who looks a bit more like Martin, but maybe not, actually.

They sourced Stormfront.
 
And your point IS ... what?

That wasn't his FB page? Have YOU seen his FB page? Me, either.

Was it his "record" at school?

Was it how the police investigating the scene handled the sitch?

How tall WAS he? Have YOU seen any recent pix of Tray? 'Cuz I sure in **** haven't. Just some cutely-wootely Olan Mills freebies from OVER A DECADE AGO.
 
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Save the violin for somebody who cares. Zimmerman didn't really seem to have much of a care for the Constitution. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure everything he did violated the civil rights of Trayvon Martin: That includes shooting him because he thought Martin was a criminal.

So you must be pro death penalty, because I've made the very same arguments about some scum sucking low life murderer who didn't seem to care for the victims rights the same way certain bleeding hearts want me to be so concerned with the murderer's rights. Of course, the difference is I wait for a murder conviction, but you're "pretty sure" Zimmerman is guilty so, I guess that's just as good.
 
And your point IS ... what?

That wasn't his FB page? Have YOU seen his FB page? Me, either.


The point is that the picture of him flipping off the camera isn't him.
 
So you must be pro death penalty,

In certain cases: Yes (serial killers, child killers, etc). The way it is used currently? No. The standard of proof is far too low. Not only that but too many mistakes are being made making the state complicit in murder. Yes, it is murder when you kill an innocent person. Wait... isn't that what Zimmerman did?

You can thank Jallman for bringing me around to agreeing that it was alright to remove certain individuals from society permanently
 
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and people, please don't misundstand me here. I agree that black men face great difficulties in the US with law-enforcement and that has to change sooner rather than later. I saw Murder on a Sunday morning and it showed how bad it is for a black man in the US. If people have not seen it, I would advise you to go and see it.

In the documentary a white elderly couple from Georgia on their vacation where robbed by a black man at the Ramada Inn in Jacksonville. The man was described as a young black man wearing cut off jeans and sneakers in two or three colors of blue, that the man was about 25, that he had been 6 feet tall with very skinny legs.

A good time later the police who were canvassing the neighborhood saw Brenton Butler, a 15 year old, stocky kid who was about 5 feet 10 inches. They got him to sit in the back of the police cruiser and drove to the Ramada inn where the victim saw the young black man in the back of the cruiser and identified him as the killer of his wife.

A whole trial began because the kid had confessed to the murder (but the confession most likely was beat out of him by a black officer who happened to be son of the police chief and the white arresting officers also threatened the kid). The prosecution made it look like a slam dunk, when it was perfectly clear for everyone that this kid was clearly not guilty. He thank goodness was acquitted by the jury in record time but still had spent a long time in jail waiting for his trial.

The police in this case just picked up the nearest black person, rail-roaded him by forcing/beating a confession out of him and then doing nothing to verify that confession. I can only advise people to rent this video/dvd and see how the justice system worked for this young black kid. If it had not been for his excellent attorney, Brenton Butler would be sitting in jail right now.

So I understand that it is bad for black men in the US, but these black panthers do not help matters. Standing up for black rights is fine, but they go over the top, they are almost as racially biased as those police officers in the Brenton Case were. White people this, white people that. How is that going to help?

My opinion about this is simple, you do not discriminate against white people to stop the discrimination of black people. It will not work.

I hope no black person finds mr. Zimmerman because who knows what will happen if Zimmerman "defends" himself against people who have been set upon him by the black panthers. I wish no one get hurt here, mr. Zimmerman needs to be prosecuted if he has broken the law and a fair and professional investigation has to be held into what he did, but to say you deal with him or we the black panthers will is not going to help this case.
 
and people, please don't misundstand me here. I agree that black men face great difficulties in the US with law-enforcement and that has to change sooner rather than later. I saw Murder on a Sunday morning and it showed how bad it is for a black man in the US. If people have not seen it, I would advise you to go and see it.

In the documentary a white elderly couple from Georgia on their vacation where robbed by a black man at the Ramada Inn in Jacksonville. The man was described as a young black man wearing cut off jeans and sneakers in two or three colors of blue, that the man was about 25, that he had been 6 feet tall with very skinny legs.

A good time later the police who were canvassing the neighborhood saw Brenton Butler, a 15 year old, stocky kid who was about 5 feet 10 inches. They got him to sit in the back of the police cruiser and drove to the Ramada inn where the victim saw the young black man in the back of the cruiser and identified him as the killer of his wife.

A whole trial began because the kid had confessed to the murder (but the confession most likely was beat out of him by a black officer who happened to be son of the police chief and the white arresting officers also threatened the kid). The prosecution made it look like a slam dunk, when it was perfectly clear for everyone that this kid was clearly not guilty. He thank goodness was acquitted by the jury in record time but still had spent a long time in jail waiting for his trial.

The police in this case just picked up the nearest black person, rail-roaded him by forcing/beating a confession out of him and then doing nothing to verify that confession. I can only advise people to rent this video/dvd and see how the justice system worked for this young black kid. If it had not been for his excellent attorney, Brenton Butler would be sitting in jail right now.

So I understand that it is bad for black men in the US, but these black panthers do not help matters. Standing up for black rights is fine, but they go over the top, they are almost as racially biased as those police officers in the Brenton Case were. White people this, white people that. How is that going to help?

My opinion about this is simple, you do not discriminate against white people to stop the discrimination of black people. It will not work.

I hope no black person finds mr. Zimmerman because who knows what will happen if Zimmerman "defends" himself against people who have been set upon him by the black panthers. I wish no one get hurt here, mr. Zimmerman needs to be prosecuted if he has broken the law and a fair and professional investigation has to be held into what he did, but to say you deal with him or we the black panthers will is not going to help this case.

Well said. However as is the case in America, I doubt Trayvon Martin's innocent memory will get the justice he deserves. A black man kills another black and within a day they have found the killer. A black guy kills a white person and 48 Hours puts them all on display to make us all feel safer. An overzealous wannabe cop kills a kid and the cops are agreeing with the guy's account without realizing that the kid wasn't actually doing anything illegal to begin with.
 
In certain cases: Yes (serial killers, child killers, etc). The way it is used currently? No. The standard of proof is far too low. Not only that but too many mistakes are being made making the state complicit in murder. Yes, it is murder when you kill an innocent person. Wait... isn't that what Zimmerman did?

You can thank Jallman for bringing me around to agreeing that it was alright to remove certain individuals from society permanently

Well, I hope I don't ever see you around talking about some convicted murderer's rights like anyone should give a ****, when you don't give a **** about Zimmermans rights and believe he should be convicted and punished (and maybe even killed) without bothering with a trial.
 
Well, I hope I don't ever see you around talking about some convicted murderer's rights like anyone should give a ****

Which rights? The ones Zimmerman denied Trayvon Martin?
 
Well, I hope I don't ever see you around talking about some convicted murderer's rights like anyone should give a ****, when you don't give a **** about Zimmermans rights and believe he should be convicted and punished (and maybe even killed) without bothering with a trial.

Wait what? You know what makes our country great? Even convicts have rights. Every one has rights, including those who have been convicted. As they are leading a condemned man into the room to be executed he has and should have rights. We are not some ****hole third world country.
 
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